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Re: In defense of the Jews (at least some)
« Reply #75 on: February 27, 2018, 07:22:06 PM »
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  • another kind of post to ignore is the one where poster acts like he knows everything and you know zip
    to me, that is just thinly disguised mental thuggery
    I think he's just trying to help you.  
    "Even a man who is pure in heart and says his prayers by night
    may become a wolf when the wolfbane blooms and the autumn moon is bright."

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    Re: In defense of the Jews (at least some)
    « Reply #76 on: February 27, 2018, 07:32:46 PM »
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  • Am I missing something here? I see no "intolerance."
    Catholic Queen Isabella and The Catholic Spanish Inquisition are routinely accused of Anti-Semitism in the extreme, because they believed that Jews and Muslims could not be trusted to defend Catholic Spain from Islamic aggression, but would instead betray Spain to her enemies.  By modern standards, that is "intolerance."  Of course, I believe that modern standards have made terms like:  tolerance, racism, anti-semtism, islamaphobia, homophobia, bigotry, prejudice and bias meaningless.  
    "Even a man who is pure in heart and says his prayers by night
    may become a wolf when the wolfbane blooms and the autumn moon is bright."


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    Re: In defense of the Jews (at least some)
    « Reply #77 on: February 27, 2018, 07:36:34 PM »
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  • Best video ever on The Spanish Inquisistion by, Dr. Warren H. Carroll  



    The Truth About The Spanish Inquisition
    "Even a man who is pure in heart and says his prayers by night
    may become a wolf when the wolfbane blooms and the autumn moon is bright."

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    Re: In defense of the Jews (at least some)
    « Reply #78 on: February 28, 2018, 02:15:33 AM »
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  • Catholic Queen Isabella and The Catholic Spanish Inquisition are routinely accused of Anti-Semitism in the extreme, because they believed that Jews and Muslims could not be trusted to defend Catholic Spain from Islamic aggression, but would instead betray Spain to her enemies.  By modern standards, that is "intolerance."  Of course, I believe that modern standards have made terms like:  tolerance, racism, anti-semtism, islamaphobia, homophobia, bigotry, prejudice and bias meaningless.  
    Christian Egypt was betrayed by the Monosophyte patriarch of Alexandria. 

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    Re: In defense of the Jews (at least some)
    « Reply #79 on: March 01, 2018, 03:38:38 PM »
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  • Christian Egypt was betrayed by the Monosophyte patriarch of Alexandria.
    I don't know anything about that.  
    "Even a man who is pure in heart and says his prayers by night
    may become a wolf when the wolfbane blooms and the autumn moon is bright."


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    Re: In defense of the Jews (at least some)
    « Reply #80 on: March 01, 2018, 04:15:20 PM »
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  • These offspring of the Serpent in Genesis 3:15 are not biological descendants of David, nor do they hold the Faith of Abraham which was fulfilled by Jesus Christ:
























    Blessed be the Lord my God, who teacheth my hands to fight, and my fingers to war. ~ Psalms 143:1 (Douay-Rheims)

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    Re: In defense of the Jews (at least some)
    « Reply #81 on: March 02, 2018, 05:16:06 AM »
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  • I don't know anything about that.  
    The Patriarch of Alexandria at the time handed the keys of the Babylon fort (the key fort in Egypt)  over to the Muslims so that they could take over and the rest is history.  

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    Re: In defense of the Jews (at least some)
    « Reply #82 on: March 05, 2018, 11:33:34 AM »
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  • The Patriarch of Alexandria at the time handed the keys of the Babylon fort (the key fort in Egypt)  over to the Muslims so that they could take over and the rest is history.  
    The Muslim religion is no good
     Koran says they should kill enemies... which is everyone who doesn't agree with them... I have read some of the Koran and read books written by those who have studied it


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    Re: In defense of the Jews (at least some)
    « Reply #83 on: March 05, 2018, 11:41:52 AM »
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  • The Muslim religion is no good
     Koran says they should kill enemies... which is everyone who doesn't agree with them... I have read some of the Koran and read books written by those who have studied it

    The Jewish Babylonian Talmud is worse:


    “If a Jew murders a ‘goy’ (Gentile) there will be no death penalty.” (Sanhedrin 57a)

    "What a Jew steals from a ‘goy’ he may keep.” (Sanhedrin 57a)

    “Jews may use subterfuges to circumvent a ‘goy.’” (Baba Kamma 113a)

    “If a Jew finds an object lost by a ‘goy’ it does not have to be returned.” (Baba Mezia 24a)

    “All children of the ‘goyim’ (Gentiles) are animals.” (Yebamoth 98a)

    “Girls born of the ‘goyim’ are in a state of ‘niddah’ (menstrual uncleanness!) from birth.” (Abodah Zarah 36b)

    “If a ‘goy’ (Gentile) hits a Jew he must be killed.” (Sanhedrin 58b)


    “The ‘goyim’ are not humans. They are beasts.” (Baba Mezia 114b)

    “If you eat with a ‘goy’ it is the same as eating with a dog.” (Tosapoth, Jebamoth 94b)

    “Even the best of the ‘goyim’ should all be killed.” (Soferim 15)

    “Sexual intercourse between the ‘goyim’ is like intercourse between animals.” (Sanhedrin 74b)

    “When it comes to a Gentile in peace times, one may harm him indirectly, for instance, by removing a ladder after he had fallen into a crevice.” (Shulkan Arukh, Yoreh De ‘ah, 158, Hebrew Edition only)


    “‘Yashu’ (derogatory for ‘Jesus’) is in Hell being boiled in hot excrement.” (Gittin 57a)

    [’Yashu’ is an acronym for the Jewish curse, ‘May his (Jesus) name be wiped out forevermore.’]

    Yashu (Jesus) was sexually immoral and worshipped a brick.” (Sanhedrin 107b)

    “Yashu (Jesus) was cut off from the Jewish people for his wickedness and refused to repent.” (Sotah 47a)

    “Miriam (Mary) the hairdresser had sex with many men.” (Shabbath 104b, Hebrew Edition only)

    “She who was the descendant of princes and governors (the virgin Mary) played the harlot with carpenters.” (Sanhedrin 106a)

    “Christians who reject the Talmud will go to hell and be punished there for all generations.” (Rosh Hashanah 17a)


    Blessed be the Lord my God, who teacheth my hands to fight, and my fingers to war. ~ Psalms 143:1 (Douay-Rheims)

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    Re: In defense of the Jews (at least some)
    « Reply #84 on: March 05, 2018, 06:31:04 PM »
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    Re: In defense of the Jews (at least some)
    « Reply #85 on: March 05, 2018, 06:52:13 PM »
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  • The Muslim religion is no good
     Koran says they should kill enemies... which is everyone who doesn't agree with them... I have read some of the Koran and read books written by those who have studied it
    Yes, but the Talmud is worse.

    There are decent Jews out there who pay their taxes and love their families and all that. Should we be praying that all synagogues in America burn down? No. Is their holy book atrocious dreck? Absolutely. The enemy of my enemy is not my friend.
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    Re: In defense of the Jews (at least some)
    « Reply #86 on: March 05, 2018, 11:38:07 PM »
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  • Yes, but the Talmud is worse.

    There are decent Jews out there who pay their taxes and love their families and all that. Should we be praying that all synagogues in America burn down? No. Is their holy book atrocious dreck? Absolutely. The enemy of my enemy is not my friend.
    the Torah is the  Pentateuch, the first five books of the Bible.

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    Re: In defense of the Jews (at least some)
    « Reply #87 on: March 06, 2018, 01:17:04 AM »
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  • Poche, you don't seem to get it.


    https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-difference-between-the-Talmud-and-the-Torah
    What is the difference between the Talmud and the Torah?

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    Shulamit Widawsky, BA Psychology & Judaism, American Jewish University
    Answered Dec 1, 2015 · Author has 6.9k answers and 11.9m answer views


    Originally Answered: What is the difference between Torah and Talmud?

    The Torah is the Hebrew Bible, and while some people think of just the "Five Books of Moses" Torah refers to all of the Hebrew Bible, including such books as Joshua, Psalms, Book of Ruth, etc.  The first five books are written in the scroll that is read in the synagogue every week.  Other books of the Torah may also be written in their own individual scrolls.  But all of them are available in book form as well.

    The first five books of Torah were originally memorized orally, and took written form over time, http://www.britannica.com/topic/... in the period from 1200 to 100 BCE.  Well before the Talmud took shape.




    The Talmud is the compilation of the historic rabbis "discussing" or "debating" what the Torah means.  Some of the tractates come to conclusions, but many leave the debate open ended.  This is part of why Jews can continue to study Torah and Talmud, and continue to debate meanings, in all times and cultural changes.  The format of the Talmud is always in book form, The entire Talmud consists of 63 tractates, and in standard print is over 6,200 pages long.

    The Talmud has two components: the Mishnah (Hebrew: משנה, c. 200 CE), which is a written compendium of Rabbinic Judaism's Oral Torah (Talmud translates literally as "instruction" in Hebrew); and the Gemara (c. 500 CE), an attempt at clarification of the Mishnah and related writings that often ventures onto other subjects and expounds broadly on the Hebrew Bible. In the middle of the page is the text that is being discussed, and the sections around the central text, as well as in the margins, are the commentaries that sometimes build upon each other, and were written at very different times in history, but took this form some time less than a thousand years ago.  The oldest full manuscript of the Talmud, known as the Munich Talmud dates from 1342 and is available online



    The actual way various passages of each of these texts were created will probably be debated for all time.  But the major difference between them is that tradition tells us G-d gave us Torah, and rabbis gave us Talmud.

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    Re: In defense of the Jews (at least some)
    « Reply #88 on: March 06, 2018, 02:09:57 AM »
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  • Poche, you don't seem to get it.


    https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-difference-between-the-Talmud-and-the-Torah
    What is the difference between the Talmud and the Torah?

    19 Answers


    Shulamit Widawsky, BA Psychology & Judaism, American Jewish University
    Answered Dec 1, 2015 · Author has 6.9k answers and 11.9m answer views


    Originally Answered: What is the difference between Torah and Talmud?

    The Torah is the Hebrew Bible, and while some people think of just the "Five Books of Moses" Torah refers to all of the Hebrew Bible, including such books as Joshua, Psalms, Book of Ruth, etc.  The first five books are written in the scroll that is read in the synagogue every week.  Other books of the Torah may also be written in their own individual scrolls.  But all of them are available in book form as well.

    The first five books of Torah were originally memorized orally, and took written form over time, http://www.britannica.com/topic/... in the period from 1200 to 100 BCE.  Well before the Talmud took shape.




    The Talmud is the compilation of the historic rabbis "discussing" or "debating" what the Torah means.  Some of the tractates come to conclusions, but many leave the debate open ended.  This is part of why Jews can continue to study Torah and Talmud, and continue to debate meanings, in all times and cultural changes.  The format of the Talmud is always in book form, The entire Talmud consists of 63 tractates, and in standard print is over 6,200 pages long.

    The Talmud has two components: the Mishnah (Hebrew: משנה, c. 200 CE), which is a written compendium of Rabbinic Judaism's Oral Torah (Talmud translates literally as "instruction" in Hebrew); and the Gemara (c. 500 CE), an attempt at clarification of the Mishnah and related writings that often ventures onto other subjects and expounds broadly on the Hebrew Bible. In the middle of the page is the text that is being discussed, and the sections around the central text, as well as in the margins, are the commentaries that sometimes build upon each other, and were written at very different times in history, but took this form some time less than a thousand years ago.  The oldest full manuscript of the Talmud, known as the Munich Talmud dates from 1342 and is available online



    The actual way various passages of each of these texts were created will probably be debated for all time.  But the major difference between them is that tradition tells us G-d gave us Torah, and rabbis gave us Talmud.

    So, the Torah is good.

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    Re: In defense of the Jews (at least some)
    « Reply #89 on: March 06, 2018, 02:19:44 AM »
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  • So, the Torah is good.
    Who said it wasn't? I can't believe you are really as thick as two short planks!

     

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