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Offline poche

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Re: In defense of the Jews (at least some)
« Reply #60 on: February 04, 2018, 10:57:34 PM »
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  • Poche,

    Are you saying we come from Talmudic-judaism?

    Because that's what the jews believe today.

    Don't try to gloss over or obfuscate the facts.
    I am saying what Pope St Pius said and I recognize that many aspects of teh Catholic practice have some kind of origin from the Jews.

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    Re: In defense of the Jews (at least some)
    « Reply #61 on: February 05, 2018, 03:44:06 PM »
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  • Disingenuous horseshit. If he's a good Catholic, then I'm the king of Portugal. He's had so much time to actively learn about the Faith. He's not ignorant, he's just a heretic.
    you will never get to Heaven with that kind of hatred, judgmentalism, and presumption (as to others's motives)...


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    Re: In defense of the Jews (at least some)
    « Reply #62 on: February 05, 2018, 03:46:49 PM »
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  • Poche,

    Are you saying we come from Talmudic-judaism?

    Because that's what the jews believe today.

    Don't try to gloss over or obfuscate the facts.
    one way you can tell anti-Semitic people from those who have a legitimate point to make is this
    no one w/ a legitimate point and TRUE knowledge of a situation/issue would ever say "The Jews [da da da da da]... anymore than he would say "The Catholics [da da da da da]"
    That (lumping all individuals into one group so as to denigrate them and judge them collectively) is bigotry, in fact the textbook definition thereof

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    Re: In defense of the Jews (at least some)
    « Reply #63 on: February 06, 2018, 10:48:03 PM »
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  • Catholicism originated from Our Lord.  The Jews, and the Law, were merely a preparatory stepping stool to prepare a place for Our Lord to come and establish His Church.  To continue in Judaism after the world received Our Lord is to deny Our Lord.

    Your posts, Graceseeker, seem to flirt with this denial.  It is best for you to stop and think about your beliefs.  

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    Re: In defense of the Jews (at least some)
    « Reply #64 on: February 06, 2018, 10:52:01 PM »
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  • this is what I have read so far

    I find this almost laughable. For one, I am created in God's image, despite apparent accusations to the contrary, accusations thinly disguised here in other forms but obviously (I'm wiser than you/you are ignorant, etc)  accusations just the same

    As such a creature created in God's image, I think I can figure out what is truth and what is error. All i need, all anyone seeking truth needs... or wait, all a CATHOLIC needs is to WANT truth, which i do

    Catholics, and i have been one virtually all my life (depending on the exact definition of the word) know Jesus

    And so no one can come along and give us a false Jesus. I know His Church, I know His Word (which are united, of course)

    I have read a lot of the Catechism, have read the whole Bible..

    I hate this attitude on the forums that basically, anyone who doesn't agree with a given poster is ignorant, doesn't know the Faith, and worse, doesn't WANT to really know the faith.

    It comes across... well, one word that comes to mind

    malice

    disingenuous would be another one

    an excuse to accuse

    an excuse to feel superior (being other ones)
    Tone down the presumption.  Pray daily that you may really know Our Lord.  


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    Re: In defense of the Jews (at least some)
    « Reply #65 on: February 07, 2018, 04:41:03 PM »
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  • I am saying what Pope St Pius said and I recognize that many aspects of teh Catholic practice have some kind of origin from the Jews.
    some kind of?
    If you read the Old T (Douay Rheims version) you will see nothing but CATHOLIC stuff in this supposedly Jewish-centered book (OT)
    We get our rituals from the Jewish religion
    I mean, I don't even know where to begin... the Ark of the Covenant is now the tabernacle where the Real Presence (consecrated Hosts) abide 24/7 just as there was always a light burning in the Temple... and God's Presence visited the Israelites there in the temple (He connects with us today in the Real Presence, assuming Jesus hasn't... left the Building entirely. I feel that many Churches are bereft of the Real Presence today bc of unholy priests)

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    Re: In defense of the Jews (at least some)
    « Reply #66 on: February 10, 2018, 02:32:06 AM »
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  • some kind of?
    If you read the Old T (Douay Rheims version) you will see nothing but CATHOLIC stuff in this supposedly Jewish-centered book (OT)
    We get our rituals from the Jewish religion
    I mean, I don't even know where to begin... the Ark of the Covenant is now the tabernacle where the Real Presence (consecrated Hosts) abide 24/7 just as there was always a light burning in the Temple... and God's Presence visited the Israelites there in the temple (He connects with us today in the Real Presence, assuming Jesus hasn't... left the Building entirely. I feel that many Churches are bereft of the Real Presence today bc of unholy priests)
    Right, but what does any of that have to do with jews today?  Their religion would make Moses puke, Samson want to kill them and King Solomon think they were fools.  Talmudic Judaism is a perversion of The Old Testament, which Catholics revere.  You seem stubbornly ignorant of this fact.  

    Saying that some Jews aren't Talmudic is like saying some Catholics don't actually believe in The Divinity of Christ.  If you are truly jewish you belong to The Synagogue of Satan;  if you are truly Catholic you belong to Christ.  I can't help it if some people are confused about who and what they really are and where they belong.  

    "Even a man who is pure in heart and says his prayers by night
    may become a wolf when the wolfbane blooms and the autumn moon is bright."

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    Re: In defense of the Jews (at least some)
    « Reply #67 on: February 10, 2018, 02:34:19 AM »
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  • In this way Lippay wanted to account for his introducing me, perhaps to excuse it. But the Pope said: "On the contrary, I am glad you brought me the Signor Commendatore."

    http://www.ccjr.us/dialogika-resources/primary-texts-from-the-history-of-the-relationship/1253-herzl1904

    Signor Commendatore was how Pope St Pius X referred to Herzl. He was friendly to the Jews.
    That link you posted was from The Council on Jewish-Christian Relations (one of those idiotic dialogue groups, started from Vatican II)  

    About CCJR

    Created: November 29, -0001
    "The Council of Centers on Jewish-Christian Relations is an association of centers and institutes in the United States and Canada devoted to enhancing mutual understanding between Jews and Christians. It is dedicated to research, publication, educational programming, and interreligious dialogue that respect the religious integrity and self-understanding of the various strands of the Jewish and Christian traditions."

    http://www.ccjr.us/about
    "Even a man who is pure in heart and says his prayers by night
    may become a wolf when the wolfbane blooms and the autumn moon is bright."


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    Re: In defense of the Jews (at least some)
    « Reply #68 on: February 10, 2018, 02:48:56 AM »
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  • World Unification via International Business = Tower of Babel = Cursed by God  
    "Even a man who is pure in heart and says his prayers by night
    may become a wolf when the wolfbane blooms and the autumn moon is bright."

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    Re: In defense of the Jews (at least some)
    « Reply #69 on: February 10, 2018, 02:51:57 AM »
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  • Real Catholicism is not so extremely tolerant

    "Even a man who is pure in heart and says his prayers by night
    may become a wolf when the wolfbane blooms and the autumn moon is bright."

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    Re: In defense of the Jews (at least some)
    « Reply #70 on: February 10, 2018, 03:07:21 AM »
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  • Us and Them 
    "Even a man who is pure in heart and says his prayers by night
    may become a wolf when the wolfbane blooms and the autumn moon is bright."


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    Re: In defense of the Jews (at least some)
    « Reply #71 on: February 10, 2018, 03:57:34 AM »
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  • World Unification via International Business = Tower of Babel = Cursed by God  
    World unification through conversion to the Catholic Faith = Blessed by God

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    Re: In defense of the Jews (at least some)
    « Reply #72 on: February 10, 2018, 05:28:31 AM »
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  • World unification through conversion to the Catholic Faith = Blessed by God
    Yeah, that's the only way, but The Church has always defended and promoted The Natural Order and Hierarchy.  So, The Church is as far away from Egalitarianism as you can get.  
    "Even a man who is pure in heart and says his prayers by night
    may become a wolf when the wolfbane blooms and the autumn moon is bright."

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    Re: In defense of the Jews (at least some)
    « Reply #73 on: February 15, 2018, 12:55:11 PM »
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  • Catholicism originated from Our Lord.  The Jews, and the Law, were merely a preparatory stepping stool to prepare a place for Our Lord to come and establish His Church.  To continue in Judaism after the world received Our Lord is to deny Our Lord.

    Your posts, Graceseeker, seem to flirt with this denial.  It is best for you to stop and think about your beliefs.  
    another kind of post to ignore is the one where poster acts like he knows everything and you know zip
    to me, that is just thinly disguised mental thuggery

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    Re: In defense of the Jews (at least some)
    « Reply #74 on: February 27, 2018, 06:05:55 PM »
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  • Real Catholicism is not so extremely tolerant


    Am I missing something here? I see no "intolerance."
    Pray for the consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary

     

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