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Offline Jaynek

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Re: In defense of the Jews (at least some)
« Reply #45 on: January 31, 2018, 03:27:33 PM »
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  • well, maybe posters should SAY so
    it's almost like some posters couldn't care less if they are u/stood or not
    This is why some people are recommending that you hold back from offering opinions so much while you are new to traditional Catholicism.  There are things like this that people are going to assume that everyone knows.  People just don't always bother to spell everything out.  

    Offline Croix de Fer

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    Re: In defense of the Jews (at least some)
    « Reply #46 on: January 31, 2018, 03:32:19 PM »
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  • This is why some people are recommending that you (graceseeker) hold back from offering opinions so much while you are new to traditional Catholicism.  There are things like this that people are going to assume that everyone knows.  People just don't always bother to spell everything out.  

    graceseeker is a crypto-Jew troll. The truth about the Catholic Faith and the Antichrist religion of Judaism has clearly been explained to him. He is obstinate in his falsity and he pretends to not understand the truth being told to him.
    Blessed be the Lord my God, who teacheth my hands to fight, and my fingers to war. ~ Psalms 143:1 (Douay-Rheims)


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    Re: In defense of the Jews (at least some)
    « Reply #47 on: January 31, 2018, 04:05:44 PM »
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  • graceseeker is a crypto-Jew troll. The truth about the Catholic Faith and the Antichrist religion of Judaism has clearly been explained to him. He is obstinate in his falsity and he pretends to not understand the truth being told to him.
    Can we call a spade and a spade and admit that graceseeker might be a kike, period?
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    Re: In defense of the Jews (at least some)
    « Reply #48 on: February 01, 2018, 12:05:48 AM »
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  • Can we call a spade and a spade and admit that graceseeker might be a kike, period?
    He could also be a good Catholic with a better grasp of the faith than either one of us.

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    Re: In defense of the Jews (at least some)
    « Reply #49 on: February 01, 2018, 02:27:14 AM »
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  • graceseeker is a crypto-Jew troll. The truth about the Catholic Faith and the Antichrist religion of Judaism has clearly been explained to him. He is obstinate in his falsity and he pretends to not understand the truth being told to him.
    I don't think that's true. I think that graceseeker is a confused Catholic who has had little exposure to the faith outside of his (?) NO experiences and soundbites picked up here and there. I think he is honestly baffled by the traditional Catholic attitudes and beliefs that he hasn't been exposed to before, having been marinated in NewChurch brine and either not receiving a  solid catechism, or being misinformed by NO priests and laymen if questions arose. It's not like the NO would point anyone in the direction of traditional Catholic ideas, especially concerning social/political issues. What is irritating however, is that the effort of members to provide correction when he drops some painfully non-Catholic comment results in a quick abandonment of discourse; and the beginning of several new threads to bury it. (Being corrected is a humbling experience, I have been corrected at times here on CI over the years, and even 'pulled up short' once or twice. It can help you delve deeper into the Faith, and often the study that begins in a prideful attempt to prove yourself on the right side of an argument - can lead to learning more than you ever would have otherwise!)
    Also, I believe, (and I may be wrong), that the style of writing as well as the emotional slant of many posts make me think that the gender signifier on his profile may have been a red herring intended to provide extra anonymity. I think our Catholic gentlemen might temper their responses a bit if they considered this. 


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    Re: In defense of the Jews (at least some)
    « Reply #50 on: February 01, 2018, 04:32:25 PM »
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  • I don't think that's true. I think that graceseeker is a confused Catholic who has had little exposure to the faith outside of his (?) NO experiences and soundbites picked up here and there. I think he is honestly baffled by the traditional Catholic attitudes and beliefs that he hasn't been exposed to before, having been marinated in NewChurch brine and either not receiving a  solid catechism, or being misinformed by NO priests and laymen if questions arose.
    this is what I have read so far

    I find this almost laughable. For one, I am created in God's image, despite apparent accusations to the contrary, accusations thinly disguised here in other forms but obviously (I'm wiser than you/you are ignorant, etc)  accusations just the same

    As such a creature created in God's image, I think I can figure out what is truth and what is error. All i need, all anyone seeking truth needs... or wait, all a CATHOLIC needs is to WANT truth, which i do

    Catholics, and i have been one virtually all my life (depending on the exact definition of the word) know Jesus

    And so no one can come along and give us a false Jesus. I know His Church, I know His Word (which are united, of course)

    I have read a lot of the Catechism, have read the whole Bible..

    I hate this attitude on the forums that basically, anyone who doesn't agree with a given poster is ignorant, doesn't know the Faith, and worse, doesn't WANT to really know the faith.

    It comes across... well, one word that comes to mind

    malice

    disingenuous would be another one

    an excuse to accuse

    an excuse to feel superior (being other ones)

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    Re: In defense of the Jews (at least some)
    « Reply #51 on: February 01, 2018, 04:37:35 PM »
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  • He could also be a good Catholic with a better grasp of the faith than either one of us.
    Thank you. That was quite charitable
    and isn't it charity what gets us to Heaven?
    without charity, we are a clanging cymbal. Of course, I realize I do not exactly always and in ever way focus on charity myself... sigh...

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    Re: In defense of the Jews (at least some)
    « Reply #52 on: February 01, 2018, 04:39:39 PM »
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  • He could also be a good Catholic with a better grasp of the faith than either one of us.
    Disingenuous horseshit. If he's a good Catholic, then I'm the king of Portugal. He's had so much time to actively learn about the Faith. He's not ignorant, he's just a heretic.
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    Re: In defense of the Jews (at least some)
    « Reply #53 on: February 01, 2018, 08:03:17 PM »
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  • this is what I have read so far

    did you read the rest?

    I find this almost laughable. For one, I am created in God's image, despite apparent accusations to the contrary, accusations thinly disguised here in other forms but obviously (I'm wiser than you/you are ignorant, etc)  accusations just the same

    I certainly have no doubt that you were created in God's image as were all people, everywhere and from all time. I'm not sure how I might have implied that. 

    As such a creature created in God's image, I think I can figure out what is truth and what is error. All i need, all anyone seeking truth needs... or wait, all a CATHOLIC needs is to WANT truth, which i do

    If you can't see the terrible error in theology in the sentence above, then it shows there is a huge problem with your  understanding of Catholic teaching. You might pretty much need to go back to square one and unlearn some ideas that you have adopted for whatever reason.

    Catholics, and i have been one virtually all my life (depending on the exact definition of the word) know Jesus

    And so no one can come along and give us a false Jesus. I know His Church, I know His Word (which are united, of course)

    Well, there are many instances of people being deceived by false Jesus', and of being either uninformed or stubbornly adhering to wrong teachings, thus proclaiming they "know" things that are actually dogmatic errors.


    I have read a lot of the Catechism, have read the whole Bible..

    Saying you have read "a lot" of the Catechism inherently implies that there are parts you skipped. That would explain many of  the comments that members take exception to. It's fantastic to read the Bible, every Catholic should, and often ;but I wonder if you are infected with Sola Scriptura  and the idea that it dominates over Church teaching, dogma? 

    I hate this attitude on the forums that basically, anyone who doesn't agree with a given poster is ignorant, doesn't know the Faith, and worse, doesn't WANT to really know the faith.

    No-one here expects to be in agreement about everything, quite the contrary --- except for Traditional Catholic Teaching

    It comes across... well, one word that comes to mind

    malice

    disingenuous would be another one

    an excuse to accuse

    an excuse to feel superior (being other ones)

    I am sorry that you feel like that. But when you drop statements that others can clearly see are in error and possibly a  danger to the faith if they aren't cleared-up (because of your presumed ignorance-like the one in your 3rd paragraph) what are we supposed to do? Even I can see the more glaring ones, and it sure isn't because I'm some expert theologian. I've made plenty of mistakes, and stood corrected in things over the years; and no doubt will be again- But you don't seem to want to be corrected, or to learn much of anything. You just shake your proverbial fist, and call us unCatholic, malicious, etc for making the effort. Sounds to me like those detested 'liberals' you are always on about.   1MT

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    Re: In defense of the Jews (at least some)
    « Reply #54 on: February 02, 2018, 02:03:22 AM »
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  • Disingenuous horseshit. If he's a good Catholic, then I'm the king of Portugal. He's had so much time to actively learn about the Faith. He's not ignorant, he's just a heretic.
    You can never be sure when looking at the internet who is really who. That young 16 year old girl could really be a 41 year old auto mechanic.

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    Re: In defense of the Jews (at least some)
    « Reply #55 on: February 02, 2018, 02:26:09 AM »
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  • It is now the feast of the Presentation, a feast that demonstrates how we come from the Jews. 


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    Re: In defense of the Jews (at least some)
    « Reply #56 on: February 03, 2018, 03:15:43 PM »
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  • Jeepers, this is starting to remind me of a Baptism of Desire argument.   :facepalm:

    Lay all the evidence at the feet of a judaizer and they don't address the points, but keep on denying it.  

    Perhaps these characters are really Trolls in disguise?

    Very simply put, anyone on this forum who supports Judaic-Talmudism... is either a bad Catholic or judeo-masonic-troll.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: In defense of the Jews (at least some)
    « Reply #57 on: February 03, 2018, 03:21:43 PM »
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  • You can never be sure when looking at the internet who is really who. That young 16 year old girl could really be a 41 year old auto mechanic.
    Yeah, wonder if we have old lady, Novus ordo Eucharistic ministers on this forum too?
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: In defense of the Jews (at least some)
    « Reply #58 on: February 03, 2018, 03:27:02 PM »
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  • It is now the feast of the Presentation, a feast that demonstrates how we come from the Jews.

    Poche,

    Are you saying we come from Talmudic-judaism?

    Because that's what the jews believe today.

    Don't try to gloss over or obfuscate the facts.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: In defense of the Jews (at least some)
    « Reply #59 on: February 03, 2018, 06:10:51 PM »
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  • Yeah, wonder if we have old lady, Novus ordo Eucharistic ministers on this forum too?

    Not that I know of, but we do have Poche.

     

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