Author Topic: In defense of the Jєωs (at least some) (Read 9739 times)

JPaul · « **Reply #30 on:** January 17, 2018, 05:42:43 PM »

Quote from: Cera on January 17, 2018, 05:02:48 PM

What you say is true of the statistical majority of those who call themselves Jєωs. There are, however, Jєωs of the Book or Jєωs of the Old Testament who are not тαℓмυdists.

Judaism as such, is a man made construct. It is not a religion proper but more akin to a cult.
There are indeed some who practice the approximation of the ancient old Testament religion, (but they are few, a true remnant).
Those who call themselves Jєωs just because they do not follow the тαℓмυd, does not automatically make them Israelites. The are simply members of this cult who do not hold the authority of the Rabbis to be supreme but still indulge in erroneous interpretation of the scriptures and Judaic practices just as their тαℓмυdic brothers do.
They are still part of Judaism which is not a part of the old religion.

Croix de Fer · « **Reply #31 on:** January 21, 2018, 05:46:30 AM »

Quote from: Cera on January 17, 2018, 04:59:54 PM

I looked at your quote from
Jeremias 11:9-15
and found that Jesus in NOT referring to all Jєωs, only those who are part of the conspiracy. This would be the same sub-group of Jєωs of whom Jesus said "They that say they are Jєωs and are not" or "The Synagog of Satan>

What you say is true of the statistical majority of those who call themselves Jєωs. There are, however, Jєωs of the Book or Jєωs of the Old Testament who are not тαℓмυdists.

That's ALL Jєωs because they reject Jesus Christ Who is the fulfillment of the Faith of Abraham. In rejecting Jesus Christ, they ruptured themselves from Righteous Abraham, despite some of them purportedly adhering to the Old Testament while rejecting тαℓмυdism.

What do you think 1 John 2:22-23 and 1 John 4:3 means?

graceseeker · « **Reply #32 on:** January 22, 2018, 05:10:36 PM »

Quote from: Jaynek on January 12, 2018, 05:28:03 PM

That post from the other thread appears to equate withholding support from the state of Israel with anti-semitism. That is an unreasonable position. There are many good reasons that one might dislike or oppose the government of a country. Personally, I think that Israel has several objectionable practices and policies. It is unfair and illogical to automatically dismiss a political view as an irrational hatred of Jєωs.

and the US has a lot of questionable practices... like letting politicians be bought out by lobbyists, etc...
Does that make all of US bad?
In any case, I don't know who said or implied that a political view is "irrational hatred of Jєωs"
people should be a little more specific in their postings (Yes, maybe even me, but I am not the worst offender, to be sure)

Jaynek · « **Reply #33 on:** January 22, 2018, 05:19:42 PM »

Quote from: graceseeker on January 22, 2018, 05:10:36 PM

and the US has a lot of questionable practices... like letting politicians be bought out by lobbyists, etc...
Does that make all of US bad?
In any case, I don't know who said or implied that a political view is "irrational hatred of Jєωs"
people should be a little more specific in their postings (Yes, maybe even me, but I am not the worst offender, to be sure)

You described a post in favour of withholding support from Israel as antisemitic. I took "antisemitic" to mean an irrational hatred of Jєωs. Perhaps you meant prejudice against Jєωs or hostility to Jєωs. You must have meant some sort of negative feeling about Jєωs. But there was nothing in that post about Jєωs. It was about the politics of dealing with Israel.

graceseeker · « **Reply #34 on:** January 22, 2018, 05:23:51 PM »

Quote from: Jaynek on January 22, 2018, 05:19:42 PM

You described a post in favour of withholding support from Israel as antisemitic. I took "antisemitic" to mean an irrational hatred of Jєωs. Perhaps you meant prejudice against Jєωs or hostility to Jєωs. You must have meant some sort of negative feeling about Jєωs. But there was nothing in that post about Jєωs. It was about the politics of dealing with Israel.

well, i am always hesitant to criticize certain "policies" like that bc we the people are not always well informed about such
and it is hard to decide what to think when you may not have all the facts
In any case, the Palestinians are terrorists or support terrorists... 9 times out of 10

Jaynek · « **Reply #35 on:** January 23, 2018, 04:20:35 PM »

Quote from: graceseeker on January 22, 2018, 05:23:51 PM

well, i am always hesitant to criticize certain "policies" like that bc we the people are not always well informed about such
and it is hard to decide what to think when you may not have all the facts
In any case, the Palestinians are terrorists or support terrorists... 9 times out of 10

My point is that it is not reasonable to automatically label criticisms of the State of Israel as antisemitism, whether or not one agrees with the criticisms. Every other country in the world is open to criticism when people disagree with its policies. We can criticize policies of France or England or Germany, etc. Why should Israel get a free pass? Why should we be treated like bad, prejudiced, hostile people when we criticize this one particular country?

Croix de Fer · « **Reply #36 on:** January 23, 2018, 05:02:23 PM »

"Jєωs have not recognized Our Lord, therefore we cannot recognize the Jєωιѕн people."

~ Pope St. Pius X

graceseeker · « **Reply #37 on:** January 29, 2018, 01:06:46 PM »

if Judaism is false then you might as well say Catholicism is false since the latter stems from the former and is a continuation thereof, except with Christ.

Jesus was a Jєω

Jaynek · « **Reply #38 on:** January 29, 2018, 01:32:43 PM »

Quote from: graceseeker on January 29, 2018, 01:06:46 PM

if Judaism is false then you might as well say Catholicism is false since the latter stems from the former and is a continuation thereof, except with Christ.

Jesus was a Jєω

Catholicism is a continuation of the Judaism of the Old Testament. Modern Judaism is not. The negative comments about Judaism refer to modern Judaism.

poche · « **Reply #39 on:** January 30, 2018, 02:09:21 AM »

On January 1 we celebrate the feast of the Circuмcision of Jesus.

poche · « **Reply #40 on:** January 31, 2018, 03:30:57 AM »

"I have always been on good terms with Jєωs.

Pope St Pius X

poche · « **Reply #41 on:** January 31, 2018, 03:32:29 AM »

Only the other evening two Jєωs were here to see me. After all, there are other bonds than those of religion: courtesy and philanthropy.

Pope St Pius X

http://www.ccjr.us/dialogika-resources/primary-texts-from-the-history-of-the-relationship/1253-herzl1904

poche · « **Reply #42 on:** January 31, 2018, 03:34:34 AM »

In this way Lippay wanted to account for his introducing me, perhaps to excuse it. But the Pope said: "On the contrary, I am glad you brought me the Signor Commendatore."

http://www.ccjr.us/dialogika-resources/primary-texts-from-the-history-of-the-relationship/1253-herzl1904

Signor Commendatore was how Pope St Pius X referred to Herzl. He was friendly to the Jєωs.

graceseeker · « **Reply #43 on:** January 31, 2018, 01:42:51 PM »

Quote from: Jaynek on January 29, 2018, 01:32:43 PM

Catholicism is a continuation of the Judaism of the Old Testament. Modern Judaism is not. The negative comments about Judaism refer to modern Judaism.

well, maybe posters should SAY so
it's almost like some posters couldn't care less if they are u/stood or not

Nadir · « **Reply #44 on:** January 31, 2018, 02:46:49 PM »

I don't understand what u/stood means, can you clarify please, Graceseeker.

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