Read an Interview with Matthew, the owner of CathInfo

Author Topic: In defense of the Jews (at least some)  (Read 5100 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Croix de Fer

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 3219
  • Reputation: +2107/-2189
  • Gender: Male
Re: In defense of the Jews (at least some)
« Reply #15 on: January 14, 2018, 11:26:47 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • Here are some more teachings against the Jews by the saints:

    "It would be licit, according to custom, to hold the Jews in perpetual servitude because of their crime."
     ~ St. Thomas Aquinas


    "Crucifiers of Christ ought to be held in continual subjection."
    ~ Pope Innocent III


    "The Jews knew that Christ was the son of David. And even now they hope for His Coming. It is hidden from them that He has come, but it is hidden because they willed it so. For, not acknowledging Him on the cross, the knowledge of Him reigning in glory should not be theirs ... Why are the Jews hoping for what has already come, and not fearful for what is to come? For Our Lord Jesus Christ ... referred Himself as "the Stone" (Matthew xxi.44), that whoever stumbles upon it shall be bruised; but upon whom it shall fall, it will grind to powder ... Lying on the ground, it shakes whoever falls over it; coming from on high, it crushes the proud. The Jews have already been shaken by their previous stumble. What awaits them is to be crushed by His Coming."
     ~ St. Augustine


    The bottom line is your position that Catholics should pray for Jews is just as subjective as my position that we shouldn't pray for them as a collective group.

    Since the Church has no definitive application towards Jews in regards to whether or not we should pray for them, there can be no real fault in a Catholic relying on God's words in the Book of Jeremias (11:9-15). His words are clear that we shouldn't pray for Jews, and prayers for them won't be heard. The written text is objective reality and appears literal in meaning. The Church might interpret those verses differently, but there is no ex cathedra ruling making it obligatory for Catholics to pray for Jews. It is not part of Catholic dogma.
    Blessed be the Lord my God, who teacheth my hands to fight, and my fingers to war. ~ Psalms 143:1 (Douay-Rheims)

    Offline josefamenendez

    • Jr. Member
    • **
    • Posts: 460
    • Reputation: +299/-14
    • Gender: Female
    Re: In defense of the Jews (at least some)
    « Reply #16 on: January 15, 2018, 05:44:18 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • The post-70 AD Judaic-Talmudic religion is NOT the religion of the Old Testament which Jesus Christ fulfilled, and was absolutely ended as His Church was established. No more Temple sacrifice needed. God allowed the complete destruction of the Temple for a reason!
     No- the Talmudic man-made religion that we call "Jewish"exists only to oppose Christ and gain world domination. There is no other point to it's existence. The enemy of the Church- NOT our "elder brethren". 


    Offline Jaynek

    • Sr. Member
    • ****
    • Posts: 2977
    • Reputation: +1397/-742
    • Gender: Female
    Re: In defense of the Jews (at least some)
    « Reply #17 on: January 15, 2018, 07:02:24 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • The bottom line is your position that Catholics should pray for Jews is just as subjective as my position that we shouldn't pray for them as a collective group.

    Since the Church has no definitive application towards Jews in regards to whether or not we should pray for them, there can be no real fault in a Catholic relying on God's words in the Book of Jeremias (11:9-15). His words are clear that we shouldn't pray for Jews, and prayers for them won't be heard. The written text is objective reality and appears literal in meaning. The Church might interpret those verses differently, but there is no ex cathedra ruling making it obligatory for Catholics to pray for Jews. It is not part of Catholic dogma.
    My position is not subjective.  It is an objective fact that the liturgy of the Church has, for centuries, contained prayers for the conversion of Jews.  It logically follows from this that praying for Jews is a good thing. It also follows that one cannot interpret Scripture as saying that we should not pray for Jews because that would mean that the Church was wrong in doing so.  It is a real fault to interpret Scripture such that one concludes that there is a mistake in the liturgy of the Church.

    It is true that we are not obliged to pray for the conversion of Jews (other than when attending public liturgies that do so).  Neither are we obliged to pray the Rosary.  Nevertheless, praying the Rosary is a good thing that therefore ought to be encouraged.  Similarly, praying for the conversion of Jews is a good thing that ought to be encouraged.

    Do you know who objects to prayers for the conversion of Jews?  Jews.  A quick Google search shows countless Jewish individuals and organizations complaining about it being anti-semitic and/or demanding the Church change her liturgy to remove such prayers.  So, not only are such prayers an ancient practice of the Church, they are hated by the enemies of the Church.  It could not be much clearer that it is a good thing.  

    No matter how many quotes from Saints you produce, there will not be one that says that Jews should not convert or that we should not pray for their conversion.  This has neither been stated nor implied by any of your quotes so far and you will not find one that does so.  Also, as I already said, going to quote sites is not a good way to learn Church teaching.  If you are interested in learning what the Church teaches about Jews, I suggest starting with research into Sicut Judaeis. This is what the Wikipedia entry says:
    Quote
    Sicut Judaeis (Latin: "As the Jews") was a papal bull setting out the official position of the papacy regarding the treatment of Jews.

    The first bull was issued in about 1120 by Calixtus II and was intended to protect Jews. It was prompted by the First Crusade, during which over five thousand Jews were slaughtered in Europe. The words sicut Judaeis ("and thus to the Jews") were first used by Pope Gregory I (590-604) in a letter addressed to the Bishop of Naples. Even then the Pope emphasized that Jews were entitled to "enjoy their lawful liberty."[1]
    The bull was reaffirmed by many popes including Alexander IIICelestine III (1191-1198), Innocent III (1199), Honorius III (1216), Gregory IX (1235), Innocent IV (1246), Alexander IV (1255), Urban IV(1262), Gregory X (1272 & 1274), Nicholas IIIMartin IV (1281), Honorius IV (1285-1287), Nicholas IV (1288-92), Clement VI (1348  ), Urban V (1365), Boniface IX (1389), Martin V (1422), and Nicholas V(1447).[2][3]
    The bull forbade Christians, on pain of excommunication, from forcing Jews to convert, from harming them, from taking their property, from disturbing the celebration of their festivals, and from interfering with their cemeteries.

    The bull of 1120 was not the first papal expression against the mistreatment of Jews. In 1065, for example, Pope Alexander II wrote to Béranger, Viscount of Narbonne, and to Guifred, bishop of the city, praising them for having prevented the massacre of the Jews in their district, and reminding them that God does not approve of the shedding of blood. In 1065 also, Alexander admonished Landulf VI of Benevento "that the conversion of Jews is not to be obtained by force."[4]
    There were various other papal documents throughout history that should also be examined.  I found a website that lists these with a short summary, but, unfortunately, since it is a Jewish source, it is likely to be biased. 
    Most sweet Jesus, whose overflowing charity for men is requited by so much forgetfulness, negligence and contempt, behold us prostrate before you, eager to repair by a special act of homage the cruel indifference and injuries to which your loving Heart is

    Offline Croix de Fer

    • Sr. Member
    • ****
    • Posts: 3219
    • Reputation: +2107/-2189
    • Gender: Male
    Re: In defense of the Jews (at least some)
    « Reply #18 on: January 15, 2018, 09:17:04 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • My position is not subjective.  It is an objective fact that the liturgy of the Church has, for centuries, contained prayers for the conversion of Jews.  It logically follows from this that praying for Jews is a good thing. It also follows that one cannot interpret Scripture as saying that we should not pray for Jews because that would mean that the Church was wrong in doing so.  It is a real fault to interpret Scripture such that one concludes that there is a mistake in the liturgy of the Church.

    It is true that we are not obliged to pray for the conversion of Jews (other than when attending public liturgies that do so).  Neither are we obliged to pray the Rosary.  Nevertheless, praying the Rosary is a good thing that therefore ought to be encouraged.  Similarly, praying for the conversion of Jews is a good thing that ought to be encouraged.

    Do you know who objects to prayers for the conversion of Jews?  Jews.  A quick Google search shows countless Jewish individuals and organizations complaining about it being anti-semitic and/or demanding the Church change her liturgy to remove such prayers.  So, not only are such prayers an ancient practice of the Church, they are hated by the enemies of the Church.  It could not be much clearer that it is a good thing.  

    No matter how many quotes from Saints you produce, there will not be one that says that Jews should not convert or that we should not pray for their conversion.  This has neither been stated nor implied by any of your quotes so far and you will not find one that does so.  Also, as I already said, going to quote sites is not a good way to learn Church teaching.  If you are interested in learning what the Church teaches about Jews, I suggest starting with research into Sicut Judaeis. This is what the Wikipedia entry says:There were various other papal documents throughout history that should also be examined.  I found a website that lists these with a short summary, but, unfortunately, since it is a Jewish source, it is likely to be biased.

    I never said Catholics shouldn't pray for the conversion of Jews. In fact, in my second comment on this thread, I specifically stated I pray for the conversion of individual Jews.

    Prayers for the Jews should not extend beyond their conversion to Jesus Christ through the Catholic Church. God will not hear prayers for Jews beyond anything calling for them to receive the grace for conversion.

    You're conflating specific prayers for the conversion of Jews with general prayers for Jews and their well being. That is wrong.

    The Church's history has only called for prayers for their conversion, but saints and popes, as noted in the aforementioned quotes, has called for their subjection & servitude, and that's not even close to the punishment they will receive from God when He rains down His wrath upon them for their faithlessness, sins and worship of false "gods"; and He tells us not to pray for them when He does punish them, because He will not hear the prayers. The Book of Jeremias is clear. God does not mince words there.

    I never said saints taught that Jews shouldn't convert. That's a strawman by you.

    If a Catholic wants to learn what the Church teaches about Jews, he should start with St. John Chrysostom's Eight Homilies Against The Jews here, not Sicut Judaeis as you proposed.

    Much of your comments actually show your bias, which probably stems from the fact that you're a Jew by blood and a convert to the Church, but you seem to cling to your racial identity and an unjustifiable & imprudent concern for Christ-haters for whatever reason.


    Blessed be the Lord my God, who teacheth my hands to fight, and my fingers to war. ~ Psalms 143:1 (Douay-Rheims)

    Offline Jaynek

    • Sr. Member
    • ****
    • Posts: 2977
    • Reputation: +1397/-742
    • Gender: Female
    Re: In defense of the Jews (at least some)
    « Reply #19 on: January 15, 2018, 10:16:34 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • I never said Catholics shouldn't pray for the conversion of Jews. In fact, in my second comment on this thread, I specifically stated I pray for the conversion of individual Jews.

    Prayers for the Jews should not extend beyond their conversion to Jesus Christ through the Catholic Church. God will not hear prayers for Jews beyond anything calling for them to receive the grace for conversion.

    You're conflating specific prayers for the conversion of Jews with general prayers for Jews and their well being. That is wrong.
    Apparently we have misunderstood each other.  I was only talking about praying for the conversion of Jews.  Throughout this thread, I either said this explicitly or thought it implied by the context.  I thought you were objecting to praying for their conversion.  When you stated "I still pray for the conversion of individual Jews, but not the Jewish people as a whole,"  I thought that you were saying that you did not want to pray for the conversion of the Jewish people as a whole.

    I have no problem with your statement above: "Prayers for the Jews should not extend beyond their conversion to Jesus Christ through the Catholic Church. God will not hear prayers for Jews beyond anything calling for them to receive the grace for conversion."


    The Church's history has only called for prayers for their conversion, but saints and popes, as noted in the aforementioned quotes, has called for their subjection & servitude, and that's not even close to the punishment they will receive from God when He rains down His wrath upon them for their faithlessness, sins and worship of false "gods"; and He tells us not to pray for them when He does punish them, because He will not hear the prayers. The Book of Jeremias is clear. God does not mince words there.

    I never said saints taught that Jews shouldn't convert. That's a strawman by you.

    If a Catholic wants to learn what the Church teaches about Jews, he should start with St. John Chrysostom's Eight Homilies Against The Jews here, not Sicut Judaeis as you proposed.

    Much of your comments actually show your bias, which probably stems from the fact that you're a Jew by blood and a convert to the Church, but you seem to cling to your racial identity and an unjustifiable & imprudent concern for Christ-haters for whatever reason.

    I never said you said that Saints taught that Jews shouldn't convert. So it could not have been a strawman. I was trying to make the point that none of your Saint quotes addressed my claim that it is good to pray for the conversion of Jews.

    In general, it is better to study a topic by starting with papal teaching and reading Saints' writings in that light.  However, since St. John Chrysostom's homilies are more easily accessible, it is more practical to read them first.  It is far better to read an entire homily than isolated quotes.  For example, when we read the whole thing, we see that the context is a community that was having a problem with Judaizers. 

    Quote
    Yet some of these are going to watch the festivals and others will join the Jews in keeping their feasts and observing their fasts. I wish to drive this perverse custom from the Church right now. My homilies against the Anomians can be put off to another time, and the postponement would cause no harm. But now that the Jewish festivals are close by and at the very door, if I should fail to cure those who are sick with the Judaizing disease. I am afraid that, because of their ill-suited association and deep ignorance, some Christians may partake in the Jews' transgressions; once they have done so, I fear my homilies on these transgressions will be in vain. For if they hear no word from me today, they will then join the Jews in their fasts; once they have committed this sin it will be useless for me to apply the remedy.
    As for your speculation about my motives, given that you did not even understand my comments, it is unlikely that what you deduced from them is correct.  I was writing because I thought you were claiming that we should not pray for the conversion of Jews.  I feel very strongly on the topic of prayers for the conversion of Jews because I myself am a convert and am deeply grateful for those who prayed for me.
    Most sweet Jesus, whose overflowing charity for men is requited by so much forgetfulness, negligence and contempt, behold us prostrate before you, eager to repair by a special act of homage the cruel indifference and injuries to which your loving Heart is


    Offline Croix de Fer

    • Sr. Member
    • ****
    • Posts: 3219
    • Reputation: +2107/-2189
    • Gender: Male
    Re: In defense of the Jews (at least some)
    « Reply #20 on: January 15, 2018, 11:15:21 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  •  When you stated "I still pray for the conversion of individual Jews, but not the Jewish people as a whole,"  I thought that you were saying that you did not want to pray for the conversion of the Jewish people as a whole.

    I have no problem praying for the conversion of the Jewish people as a whole, and I obviously do during the Liturgy of Good Friday, but any other time, I won't do it, for I know it's not practical because most Jews will remain obstinate in their rejection of Christ to the very end. The Church teaches this reality. In fact, most Jews (two-thirds) will be exterminated as punishment by God for their rejection of Him (Jesus Christ) as revealed in the Prophesy of Zacharias 13:8-9.

    I still pray for the conversion of individual Jews from time to time.



    Quote
    I never said you said that Saints taught that Jews shouldn't convert. So it could not have been a strawman.

    You stated, "No matter how many quotes from Saints you produce, there will not be one that says that Jews should not convert..."

    That's a strong implication that I'm asserting that saints didn't want Jews to convert to the Catholic Church. Therefore, it is, indeed, a strawman argument because I never remotely suggested it.



    Quote
    given that you did not even understand my comments, it is unlikely that what you deduced from them is correct.

    That would be inductive reasoning, not deduction, because you were trying to start with supposed details or facts in order to beget a conclusion (which can be false) from the reader based off of the (supposed) details/facts. However, It was you who did not understand my comments. From the near beginning, I specifically stated I still pray for the conversion of individual Jews. You missed this declarative sentence, and proceeded to build a case against me off of a false premise.
    Blessed be the Lord my God, who teacheth my hands to fight, and my fingers to war. ~ Psalms 143:1 (Douay-Rheims)

    Offline Jaynek

    • Sr. Member
    • ****
    • Posts: 2977
    • Reputation: +1397/-742
    • Gender: Female
    Re: In defense of the Jews (at least some)
    « Reply #21 on: January 15, 2018, 11:35:11 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • I have no problem praying for the conversion of the Jewish people as a whole, and I obviously do during the Liturgy of Good Friday, but any other time, I won't do it, for I know it's not practical because most Jews will remain obstinate in their rejection of Christ to the very end. The Church teaches this reality. In fact, most Jews (two-thirds) will be exterminated as punishment by God for their rejection of Him (Jesus Christ) as revealed in the Prophesy of Zacharias 13:8-9.

    I still pray for the conversion of individual Jews from time to time.
    Thank you.

    [...]
    However, It was you who did not understand my comments. From the near beginning, I specifically stated I still pray for the conversion of individual Jews. You missed this declarative sentence, and proceeded to build a case against me off of a false premise.

    Yes, I did misunderstand you and this skewed just about everything I wrote.  I apologize.
    Most sweet Jesus, whose overflowing charity for men is requited by so much forgetfulness, negligence and contempt, behold us prostrate before you, eager to repair by a special act of homage the cruel indifference and injuries to which your loving Heart is

    Offline Croix de Fer

    • Sr. Member
    • ****
    • Posts: 3219
    • Reputation: +2107/-2189
    • Gender: Male
    Re: In defense of the Jews (at least some)
    « Reply #22 on: January 15, 2018, 11:40:49 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • [...] to beget a conclusion (which can be false) from the reader based off of the (supposed) details/facts.

    I meant, "...to the reader..."

    I sometimes struggle using the correct preposition when speaking or writing.

    Blessed be the Lord my God, who teacheth my hands to fight, and my fingers to war. ~ Psalms 143:1 (Douay-Rheims)


    Offline Croix de Fer

    • Sr. Member
    • ****
    • Posts: 3219
    • Reputation: +2107/-2189
    • Gender: Male
    Re: In defense of the Jews (at least some)
    « Reply #23 on: January 15, 2018, 11:58:42 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  •  I apologize.
    No problem. I should have caught your misunderstanding earlier so I would have made a sooner clarification.

    Also, I want to say I don't doubt your conversion. I think you've generally been impartial on this forum regarding the perfidy of The International Jew. I hope my tone on this particular thread didn't seem harsh and suspicious of you when I mentioned your background. If it did, I apologize.
    Blessed be the Lord my God, who teacheth my hands to fight, and my fingers to war. ~ Psalms 143:1 (Douay-Rheims)

    Offline Cantarella

    • Hero Member
    • *****
    • Posts: 7048
    • Reputation: +4283/-556
    • Gender: Female
    Re: In defense of the Jews (at least some)
    « Reply #24 on: January 15, 2018, 12:16:24 PM »
  • Thanks!1
  • No Thanks!0
  • OP needs to read asap the works of Fr. Denis Fahey; starting with The Kingship of Christ and The Conversion of the Jewish Nation

    There are more resources here
    If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.

    Offline Cantarella

    • Hero Member
    • *****
    • Posts: 7048
    • Reputation: +4283/-556
    • Gender: Female
    Re: In defense of the Jews (at least some)
    « Reply #25 on: January 15, 2018, 12:22:53 PM »
  • Thanks!2
  • No Thanks!0
  • Quote
    Two reasons can be assigned to the fact that Our Lord’s faithful members will often be betrayed by those who should be on the side of Christ the King. Firstly, many Catholic writers speak of Papal condemnations of Anti-Semitism without explaining the meaning of the term, and never even allude to the documents which insist on the Rights of Our Divine Lord, Head of the Mystical Body, Priest and King.  Thus, very many are completely ignorant of the duty incumbent on all Catholics of standing positively for Our Lord’s Reign in society in opposition to Jewish Naturalism.  The result is that numbers of Catholics are so ignorant of Catholic doctrine that they hurl the accusation of Anti-Semitism against those who are battling for the Rights of Christ the King, thus effectively aiding the enemies of Our Divine Lord.  Secondly, many Catholic writers copy unquestioningly what they read in the naturalistic or anti-Supernatural Press and do not distinguish between Anti-Semitism in the correct Catholic sense, as explained above, and “Anti-Semitism” as the Jews understand it.

    For the Jews, “Anti-Semitism” is anything that is in opposition to the naturalistic Messianic domination of their nation over all the others.  Quite logically, the leaders of the Jewish nation hold that to stand for the Rights of Christ the King is to be “Anti-Semitic

    Fr. Fahey
    If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.


    Offline Jaynek

    • Sr. Member
    • ****
    • Posts: 2977
    • Reputation: +1397/-742
    • Gender: Female
    Re: In defense of the Jews (at least some)
    « Reply #26 on: January 15, 2018, 03:09:13 PM »
  • Thanks!1
  • No Thanks!0
  • No problem. I should have caught your misunderstanding earlier so I would have made a sooner clarification.

    Also, I want to say I don't doubt your conversion. I think you've generally been impartial on this forum regarding the perfidy of The International Jew. I hope my tone on this particular thread didn't seem harsh and suspicious of you when I mentioned your background. If it did, I apologize.
    Thanks.  I'm just glad we got things cleared up and there are no hard feelings.

    Years ago, when I was new to the forum and traditional Catholicism, I was full of wrong ideas about Jews .  There were some helpful posters who walked me through the issue until I could understand it better.
    Most sweet Jesus, whose overflowing charity for men is requited by so much forgetfulness, negligence and contempt, behold us prostrate before you, eager to repair by a special act of homage the cruel indifference and injuries to which your loving Heart is

    Offline WholeFoodsTrad

    • Full Member
    • ***
    • Posts: 516
    • Reputation: +105/-155
    • Gender: Male
    Re: In defense of the Jews (at least some)
    « Reply #27 on: January 16, 2018, 01:17:36 AM »
  • Thanks!1
  • No Thanks!0
  • A quick synopsis of the disposition of the Jew, hence we are to have an aversion for, and be guarded against, them.

    The Lord tells us not to pray for Jews in Jeremias 11:9-15

    Jews are racially cursed due to the events in Matthew 27:25. Their offspring inherit the curse through the generations. It must be noted that converts to the Judaism have the same curse befall them, which they will pass down to their children. Only Baptism into Jesus Christ with water and spirit can lift the curse of the Jew.

    Jesus Christ tells us that Jews are the Synagogue of Satan in Apocalypse of St. John 2:9 and 3:9


    Jews are a false religion and a race. Firstly, Jesus Christ is the fulfillment of the Faith of Abraham, whereas, today's Judaism ruptured itself from Abraham by rejecting Christ. In rejecting Christ, they rejected the God of their fathers, hence they became the Synagogue of Satan (Rev 2:9 & 3:9). Secondly, Jesus Christ is of true Davidian blood, but the Jews lost that biological lineage after the Diaspora when they mixed with Khazars and, subsequently, some of the host population of European nations. Moreover, the Jews became a cursed race due to the events in Matthew 27:25, therefore, they could never have the same genealogy as Jesus Christ. It is due to Jews' racial curse that they are are driven to sow & promote subversion, heresy, discord, perversions (porn, faggotry, trannies), usury, war, murder (abortion, etc), atheism, feminism, scientism, naturalism, and the revolutionary spirit. Many of the Jews involved in the aforementioned war on Christ's Social Kingship are actually atheists, but despite their lack of belief in any "deity", they're still wired to pave the way for Antichrist by their deeds, and they manifest an innate drive to band together and still identify as Jews. The Jews are guided by legions of demons, which is why they disproportionately hold positions of strategic importance in private & pubic sectors, hence effecting the order of sin against God. Jews only make up 2% of the U.S. population, and only around 1/5 of one percent of the global population, but their adversarial impact on humanity is huge and not a random coincidence.
    That has to be the best explanation I've ever heard!  I've never seen anyone make the connection of The Curse on Jews and their Ancestry.  It's a perfect link between race and religion.  We are forever trying to say, it's one or the other, but you just proved it's both.  

    This explains racial theories by people like Alex Linder, who's definitely not Catholic.  Obviously, he isn't making the spiritual connection, but he's still seeing it play out and thinking it's biology.  
    "Even a man who is pure in heart and says his prayers by night
    may become a wolf when the wolfbane blooms and the autumn moon is bright."

    Offline Cera

    • Full Member
    • ***
    • Posts: 1102
    • Reputation: +370/-88
    • Gender: Female
    • Pray for the consecration of Russia to Mary's I H
    Re: In defense of the Jews (at least some)
    « Reply #28 on: January 17, 2018, 04:59:54 PM »
  • Thanks!1
  • No Thanks!1
  • A quick synopsis of the disposition of the Jew, hence we are to have an aversion for, and be guarded against, them.

    The Lord tells us not to pray for Jews in Jeremias 11:9-15

    Jews are racially cursed due to the events in Matthew 27:25. Their offspring inherit the curse through the generations. It must be noted that converts to the Judaism have the same curse befall them, which they will pass down to their children. Only Baptism into Jesus Christ with water and spirit can lift the curse of the Jew.

    Jesus Christ tells us that Jews are the Synagogue of Satan in Apocalypse of St. John 2:9 and 3:9


    Jews are a false religion and a race. Firstly, Jesus Christ is the fulfillment of the Faith of Abraham, whereas, today's Judaism ruptured itself from Abraham by rejecting Christ. In rejecting Christ, they rejected the God of their fathers, hence they became the Synagogue of Satan (Rev 2:9 & 3:9). Secondly, Jesus Christ is of true Davidian blood, but the Jews lost that biological lineage after the Diaspora when they mixed with Khazars and, subsequently, some of the host population of European nations. Moreover, the Jews became a cursed race due to the events in Matthew 27:25, therefore, they could never have the same genealogy as Jesus Christ. It is due to Jews' racial curse that they are are driven to sow & promote subversion, heresy, discord, perversions (porn, faggotry, trannies), usury, war, murder (abortion, etc), atheism, feminism, scientism, naturalism, and the revolutionary spirit. Many of the Jews involved in the aforementioned war on Christ's Social Kingship are actually atheists, but despite their lack of belief in any "deity", they're still wired to pave the way for Antichrist by their deeds, and they manifest an innate drive to band together and still identify as Jews. The Jews are guided by legions of demons, which is why they disproportionately hold positions of strategic importance in private & pubic sectors, hence effecting the order of sin against God. Jews only make up 2% of the U.S. population, and only around 1/5 of one percent of the global population, but their adversarial impact on humanity is huge and not a random coincidence.
    I looked at your quote from
    Jeremias 11:9-15
    and found that Jesus in NOT referring to all Jews, only those who are part of the conspiracy. This would be the same sub-group of Jews of whom Jesus said "They that say they are Jews and are not" or "The Synagog of Satan>


    A conspiracy is found among the men of Juda, and among the inhabitants of Jerusalem. [10] They are returned to the former iniquities of their fathers, who refused to hear my words: so these likewise have gone after strange gods, to serve them: the house of Israel, and the house of Juda have made void my covenant, which I made with their fathers.
    Pray for the consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary

    Offline Cera

    • Full Member
    • ***
    • Posts: 1102
    • Reputation: +370/-88
    • Gender: Female
    • Pray for the consecration of Russia to Mary's I H
    Re: In defense of the Jews (at least some)
    « Reply #29 on: January 17, 2018, 05:02:48 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!1
  • The post-70 AD Judaic-Talmudic religion is NOT the religion of the Old Testament which Jesus Christ fulfilled, and was absolutely ended as His Church was established. No more Temple sacrifice needed. God allowed the complete destruction of the Temple for a reason!
     No- the Talmudic man-made religion that we call "Jewish"exists only to oppose Christ and gain world domination. There is no other point to it's existence. The enemy of the Church- NOT our "elder brethren".
    What you say is true of the statistical majority of those who call themselves Jews. There are, however, Jews of the Book or Jews of the Old Testament who are not Talmudists.
    Pray for the consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary

     

    Sitemap 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16