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Re: In defense of the Jews (at least some)
« Reply #105 on: March 10, 2018, 01:28:22 PM »
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  • That so called "ignoramus" is a convert from Judaism to Christianity.  So, I think he might know a little bit more about it, than you do.  


    nice video.. love the snow
    But I stand by my point that not all Jews think alike.. not hard to do since a child can understand that one
    In any case, as the late Marvin Gaye said: Only love can conquer hate

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    Re: In defense of the Jews (at least some)
    « Reply #106 on: March 11, 2018, 04:30:07 AM »
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  • that's just one ignoramus speaking
    Not all Jews believe the same thing anymore than all Catholics or any other group
    If this has been watered down then it stands to reason that most Jews don't really believe this nonsense. I think that this represents the thinking of only a few who are part of the lunatic fringe.


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    Re: In defense of the Jews (at least some)
    « Reply #107 on: March 11, 2018, 09:06:43 AM »
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  • If this has been watered down then it stands to reason that most Jews don't really believe this nonsense. I think that this represents the thinking of only a few who are part of the lunatic fringe.
    No, it's the orthodox Jews who believe in The Talmud.  As I understand it, the majority of Jews are basically materialistic;  they don't believe much in the supernatural or are sort of agnostic about it.  Apparently, Zionism (nationalistic ideology) and Marxism (internationalistic ideology) grew out of that, when Jews lost their faith, when Napoleon tore down the ghetto wall and brought Jews The Enlightenment.  
    "Even a man who is pure in heart and says his prayers by night
    may become a wolf when the wolfbane blooms and the autumn moon is bright."

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    Re: In defense of the Jews (at least some)
    « Reply #108 on: March 11, 2018, 09:09:47 AM »
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  • nice video.. love the snow
    But I stand by my point that not all Jews think alike.. not hard to do since a child can understand that one
    In any case, as the late Marvin Gaye said: Only love can conquer hate
    Not all Catholics think alike.  Yet, I hope you realize there is a profound difference between Catholics and everyone else.  
    "Even a man who is pure in heart and says his prayers by night
    may become a wolf when the wolfbane blooms and the autumn moon is bright."

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    Re: In defense of the Jews (at least some)
    « Reply #109 on: March 11, 2018, 09:11:12 AM »
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  • It isn't all or nothing;  it is a matter of degrees.  
    "Even a man who is pure in heart and says his prayers by night
    may become a wolf when the wolfbane blooms and the autumn moon is bright."


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    Re: In defense of the Jews (at least some)
    « Reply #110 on: March 11, 2018, 09:12:56 AM »
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  • If we are truly "all the same," then Salvation is meaningless and Bruce Jenner really is a woman now.   ::)
    "Even a man who is pure in heart and says his prayers by night
    may become a wolf when the wolfbane blooms and the autumn moon is bright."

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    Re: In defense of the Jews (at least some)
    « Reply #111 on: March 15, 2018, 01:12:21 PM »
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  • Not all Catholics think alike.  Yet, I hope you realize there is a profound difference between Catholics and everyone else.  
    of course, but all Cathollics are far from being alike

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    Re: In defense of the Jews (at least some)
    « Reply #112 on: March 15, 2018, 11:15:27 PM »
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  • of course, but all Cathollics are far from being alike
    What do you mean?  
    "Even a man who is pure in heart and says his prayers by night
    may become a wolf when the wolfbane blooms and the autumn moon is bright."


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    Re: In defense of the Jews (at least some)
    « Reply #113 on: March 16, 2018, 02:36:30 AM »
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  • No, it's the orthodox Jews who believe in The Talmud.  As I understand it, the majority of Jews are basically materialistic;  they don't believe much in the supernatural or are sort of agnostic about it.  Apparently, Zionism (nationalistic ideology) and Marxism (internationalistic ideology) grew out of that, when Jews lost their faith, when Napoleon tore down the ghetto wall and brought Jews The Enlightenment.  
    The Orthodox Jews are not the only ones around. It stands to reason that if the torah is the Word of God and the Talmud represents the opinions of various scholars then it would stand to reason that the Word of God would trump the opinion of the scholars in question. It is the same with the modernist theologian. If his studies brings him to a conclusion that contradicts a point of the Creed of the scriptures then something is wrong with his studies.  

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    Re: In defense of the Jews (at least some)
    « Reply #114 on: March 17, 2018, 12:43:18 AM »
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  • The Orthodox Jews are not the only ones around. It stands to reason that if the torah is the Word of God and the Talmud represents the opinions of various scholars then it would stand to reason that the Word of God would trump the opinion of the scholars in question. It is the same with the modernist theologian. If his studies brings him to a conclusion that contradicts a point of the Creed of the scriptures then something is wrong with his studies.  
    I would of thought the same thing, I think, because I was raised in a Christian tradition, not a Jewish one.  Converts to Judaism have told me the same thing.  E. Michael Jones says that.  Kapner says it and he's a convert from Judaism.  And it shows in Jewish Culture.  Christian Culture is much more in harmony with The Torah, then Judaism seems to be.  
    "Even a man who is pure in heart and says his prayers by night
    may become a wolf when the wolfbane blooms and the autumn moon is bright."

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    Re: In defense of the Jews (at least some)
    « Reply #115 on: March 17, 2018, 12:48:01 AM »
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  • Popes have ordered copies of The Talmud burned and launched crusades for the conversion of Jews, including kids, because it was seen as an act of Mercy to free them from bondage, according to E. Michael Jones, in his book "The Jewish Revolutionary Spirit," which I read, but he does talk about that in some of his interviews about the book, which are on youtube (until "google idf" decides to take them down).  

    And there's plenty of Church Fathers who have condemned The Talmud.  St. John Chrysostom is one of the most famous.  Protestants have done it too.  Luther is one of the most famous.  

    "Even a man who is pure in heart and says his prayers by night
    may become a wolf when the wolfbane blooms and the autumn moon is bright."


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    Re: In defense of the Jews (at least some)
    « Reply #116 on: March 17, 2018, 05:53:37 AM »
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  • As Our Lord was hanging on the cross He asked the Father to forgive those who put Him there. I don’t recall Our Lord excluding the Jews. 

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    Re: In defense of the Jews (at least some)
    « Reply #117 on: March 17, 2018, 01:08:50 PM »
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  • What do you mean?  
    probably best example: some "Catholics" vote Democrat even though the Church teaches that promoting abortion is a mortal sin. But then, priests rarely if ever PREACH that, so...

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    Re: In defense of the Jews (at least some)
    « Reply #118 on: March 17, 2018, 02:27:18 PM »
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  • As Our Lord was hanging on the cross He asked the Father to forgive those who put Him there. I don’t recall Our Lord excluding the Jews.
    I thought that was a reference to The Romans, but I suppose it could apply to the high priests as well.  Still, there is the curse, "And the whole people answering, said:  His blood be upon us and our children."  Matthew 27:25 

    Grace is a "freely" given, but it can be rejected.
      
    ""Jerome: Pilate took water in accordance with that, “I Will wash my hands in innocency,” [Ps 26:6] in a manner testifying and saying, I indeed have sought to deliver this innocent man, but since a tumult is rising, and the charge of treason to Caesar is urged against me, I am innocent of the blood of this just man. The judge then who is thus compelled to give sentence against the Lord, does not convict the accused, but the accusers, pronouncing innocent Him who is to be crucified.  “See ye to it,” as though be had said, I am the law’s minister, it is your voice that has shed this blood. Then answered all the people and said, “His blood be on us and on our children.” This imprecation rests at the present day upon the Jews, the Lord’s blood is not removed from them."

    http://dhspriory.org/thomas/english/CAMatthew.htm#27
    "Even a man who is pure in heart and says his prayers by night
    may become a wolf when the wolfbane blooms and the autumn moon is bright."

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    Re: In defense of the Jews (at least some)
    « Reply #119 on: March 17, 2018, 02:39:09 PM »
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  • "34. Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots. 35. And the people stood beholding. And the rulers also with them derided him, saying, He saved others; let him save himself, if he be Christ, the chosen of God. 36. And the soldiers also mocked him, coming to him, and offering him vinegar, 37. And saying, If you be the king of the Jews, save yourself."   Luke 23:34-37


    "CHRYS. Because the Lord had said, Pray for them that persecute you, this likewise He did, when He ascended the cross, as it follows, Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them, not that He was not able Himself to pardon them, but that He might teach us to pray for our persecutors, not only in word, but in deed also. But He says, Forgive them, if they should repent. For He is gracious to the penitent, if they are willing after so great wickedness to wash away their guilt by faith.


    BEDE; For must we imagine here that He prayed in vain, but that in those who believed after His passion He obtained the fruit of His prayers? It must be remarked, however, that He prayed not for those who chose rather to crucify, than to confess Him whom they knew to be the Son of God, but for such as were ignorant what they did, having a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge, as He adds, For they know not what they do.


    GREEK EX. But for those who after the crucifixion remain in unbelief, no one can suppose that they are excused by ignorance, because of the notable miracles that with aloud voice proclaimed Him to be the Son of God."

    http://dhspriory.org/thomas/CALuke.htm#23
    "Even a man who is pure in heart and says his prayers by night
    may become a wolf when the wolfbane blooms and the autumn moon is bright."

     

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