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« on: July 17, 2015, 10:44:36 AM »
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  • If I were able to do a poll here here is how it would go.  The options are in response to the subject line:

    Poll options:

    Yes (and I live alone)
    Yes (and my daughters do the same)
    Yes (but my daughters wear pants)
    No  (and I live alone)
    No  (and my daughters do the same)
    No  (but my daughters avoid wearing pants)

    Here would be my message:

    I hope all women vote so I can have a real idea of the traditional Church in this area.  The poll is anonymous and besides if you wear pants and do not think anything is wrong with that you should not be embarrassed.  I used to wear rock tee-shirts, jeans and sneakers and I did not think I was doing anything wrong.  Thomas Aquinas teaches we all chose what we believe to be good.  Not in a way that makes us inculpable but that we chose a perceived good such as “freedom” while being the ignorant of the bad effects of the choice or believing that the perceived good choice outweighs the bad results.

    I read this uplifting article from a lady and wanted to share it in this poll.  I want this poll to be an uplifting thread with people sharing how they changed their way of dressing as they became more traditional in their every day lives.

    I have a very high regard for women. In the past I have said they can be said in a certain sense to be more important than me.  The greatest man in the world cannot conceive, hold a child in the womb, give birth or suck to their children.  They also towed the line on morality and were less promiscuous and less likely to use foul language, tell bad jokes or laugh at them.  They are the backbone of the family which is the backbone of society with the ability to add to God’s Kingdom by raising godly offspring.  

    I hope to avoid comments like:

    “You are usurping the heiarchy.” Or “I hate when people bind on others that which the Church has not bound.”  

    Whenever the Church (before V2 obviously) has spoken on the issue of modesty for women she has only given paramaters for dresses while not even mentioning pants.  This assumes that practicing Catholic women (before V2) did not wear pants otherwise they would give the paramaters for pants as well.  They left pants out of the discussion entirely.  If pants were acceptable they would have talked about whether shorts could be worn and how high and tight they could be and whether they could be worn to Mass or the Communion rail or not.  The only pre-Vatican 2 Church authority to speak on pants worn by women condemned it.  

    I read a sound and well-written article which I found to be edifying:

    http://whoshallfindavaliantwoman.blogspot.com/2015/02/a-true-lady-is-recognized-by-her-modest.html

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    A TRUE LADY IS RECOGNIZED BY HER MODEST ATTIRE
                   
    We Should Dress in Imitation of the Blessed Virgin


    In my first post on this site I explained how being a true lady is more about internal qualities than external ones.   Yet, I have now come to see that it’s also important to address external conduct and attire.   For, our outward appearance is a reflection of the inner depths of our souls.   A quote from the Bible concerning this comes to mind:  

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    "The attire of the body and the laughter of the teeth and the gait of the man show what he is." (Ecclesiasticus 19:27)


    There are many people who argue, debate and set rules as to how women should dress.  Some say that it does not matter what a woman wears, and that if someone is offended by our clothes, then that person just has a bad imagination.  Yet Muslims go so far as to say that a lady must wear clothes so that only her eyes may show, if even that.   Both extremes are exactly that: extremes, and so the Church, and those who have led holy lives, have given us guidelines to follow.  

    Perhaps the most clearly-stated standard of dress that the Church has officially promulgated is the following:

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    Standards of Modesty in Dress
    Imprimatur dated Sept. 24, 1956

    "A dress cannot be called decent which is cut deeper than two fingers breadth under the pit of the throat; which does not cover the arms at least to the elbows; and scarcely reaches a bit beyond the knees.   Furthermore, dresses of transparent materials are improper."
    The Cardinal Vicar of   Pius XII


    It is recorded that Padre Pio had a sign put up outside of his confessional for all women to see, which said:

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    "By Padre Pio's explicit wish, women must enter the confessional wearing skirts at least 8-inches below the knee.   It is forbidden to borrow longer dresses in church and to wear them to confession." (Dotorhy Gaudiose, Prophet of the People: A Biography of Padre Pio)

                 
    Padre Pio also forbade women to wear pants.   There was a lady who once came to him, all the way from Canada, to have him hear her Confession.   He refused to hear her sins and give her absolution until she would first return home and close down a factory that she was in charge of (which made pants for women).   The lady did so, and upon returning to Italy, Padre Pio heard her Confession.  Here is the exact quote of the end result which his spiritual daughter, Anne McGinn Cillis, wrote down in her book about the situation: Arrivederci, Padre Pio “A Spiritual Daughter Remembers”:

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    “He commanded her to return home to Canada and dispose of all this stock, and not to give any of the items to people who might wear them, and if she wanted his absolution, she could come back to Italy and receive it, only after she ruthlessly carried our his orders.”


    Many people argue that it is too "old fashioned" to wear long, modest skirts or dresses, and that these standards certainly do not apply to our day and age.   For them I ask the question:   Did not Our Lady of Fatima warn that terrible fashions would come when she said, “Certain fashions will be introduced that will offend Our Lord very much.”  What could be a worse fashion than that which is a total breech of all modest dress-codes from the past millennia of Church history?   Since when did the Church condone women wearing pants or clothes that did not properly cover her body?  
                   
    Did not Saint Joan of Arc get persecuted and ridiculed in her trial because she did not wear a dress when she was in battle?   Yet, we know that she certainly never would have dressed immodestly.   It was just that she did not dress as a woman should have.   That is how ingrained modest dress was into society in those days.

    Yes, there are rare exceptions, but these are not to be taken lightly.  

    I will admit that it took me a long time to accept all of this, and so I really do not expect anyone to make these changes in a day.   I took it all in little steps, slowly giving up more and more of my self-will, and my strongly-held opinions.   At first I was a nervous wreck about it, and was constantly self-conscious thinking, "What will everyone say if I dress like this?"  Many women struggle greatly with the fear that others will think negatively of them.   For those who struggle as I have, here are some things to consider, which may console you if you are ridiculed...

    I have noticed that when I changed the way I dressed, it affected those around me.   Men treated me better, and acted more like gentlemen.   In fact, I was walking past a construction zone once and some men were using foul language.   One of the men saw me and immediately rebuked the others saying, "Watch your language!   There is a lady here!"  Men need to be encouraged to be “men” which means that they need to start living the role of protecting women and respecting them.  They will have a harder time doing this if we act in a way that merely tempts them.  If we act and dress like ladies, then they will treat us that way.  It is very simple.

    In fact, I have begun to notice that since I started to wear long dresses, everywhere I go I am treated with a certain respect.   Now, I am not saying that you should dress this way just to be praised, but it is a very positive side-effect, and may help encourage you to persevere.

    There are those who may argue, "But we are not able to do things in skirts, and certainly the Church does not wish to restrict us!"   I thought the same thing at first, but over time I have come to realize that dressing in this manner does not actually prohibit me from anything that I might need to do.   I ride a horse side-saddle in a skirt, ski in a skirt, hike in a skirt, play certain sports and games in a skirt, paint in a skirt, etc. Women wore such clothes all of the time for many centuries, so why have we begun to think it impossible all of a sudden?

    Finally, and most importantly...We should make the Blessed Mother our absolute model in our efforts to dress modestly.   The more we become like her, the more we will increase of chances of reaching paradise.   When I was still struggling with the whole modesty issue a friend of mine who was trying to convince me of the truth said something to me that I will never forget.   He told me, "Look at Our Lady...Did she ever wear pants?   Did she ever wear mini-skirts?   Did she wear sleeveless shirts?..."  

    It is my daily prayer to God that I may continue to strive to dress, look and act more and more each day like Our Blessed Mother. May she forever be with us and guide us on the narrow path to heaven!  


    Again this thread is to encourage women to dress like Catholic ladies did before V2 and the sexual revolution.  So please do not derail this thread by accusing me of usurping the hiearchy or binding non-Church teaching on others.  The exception would be if you can produce an official Church document binding the universal Church by an unquestionably valid Pope that says it is okay for women to wear pants.  

    This thread is to encourage Catholic women to dress like Catholic ladies always dressed before V2 and the sexual revolution.  This also is not a thread to bash traditional Catholic ladies who do wear pants sometimes or all the time (apart from at Mass as most chapels do not allow women to wear pants to Mass).  

    If you have anything positive to say about women dressing modestly please post.  If you have legitimate questions on the subject please ask.  If you have advise to encourage women on the fence to dress in conformity to how Catholic women dressed before V2 and the sexual revolution I’m all for it.  I’m not looking for fights.  If you do not like the idea of women in dresses or skirts please ignore this thread rather than dereail it and force the moderators to lock it.

    Comments explaining why it is difficult to change the habbits you have been born and raised in like the following comment are most welcome:

    I must say I agree with everything you just said, even the parts about it being hard to do at some days. Many a time I've struggled with not giving into the wishes of others around me and changing the way I dress to a more "modern" approach. Conversely, God has graced me with small gifts to show me this is the right path. Men open the door for me, sometimes even waiting until I've crossed the street, they curb (as you experienced yourself) their language around me, act more refined, and hurry to my aid should I ever show the need for help, sometimes without me even asking. You've also reminded me that, yes, Our Lady has never, ever appeared in pants or a mini skirt and if God was so pleased with her that He chose her to be the Mother of God, that we should strive to imitate her not only in the internal things, but also the external as well. Thank you for posting this.
    As a man I eventually started to realize that it might not be good for a Catholic to wear jeans, tee-shirts and sneakers.  It took me a while to change but after some time I stopped wearing the tee-shirts.  Then I stopped wearing the jeans and sneakers.  Finally I only wear tie and jacket.  I did this because I am not a minimalist merely seeking to be passable but because I want to be a positive influence who when seeing the incredibly immodesty and slovinliness around me I will know that I am not to blame.  

    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church

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    « Reply #1 on: July 17, 2015, 11:11:14 AM »
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  • Even most novous ordo women used to wear dresses and skirts to mass.  It seemed that 10 years ago, it seemed as older women wore pants and capris that young women wear tanks and short shorts.
    To live with the Saints in Heaven is all bliss and glory....To live with the saints on Earth is just another story!  (unknown)


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    « Reply #2 on: July 17, 2015, 11:20:30 AM »
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  • Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey
    Even most novous ordo women used to wear dresses and skirts to mass.  It seemed that 10 years ago, it seemed as older women wore pants and capris that young women wear tanks and short shorts.


    Yeah.  The old ladies just can't keep up.  I was most disappointed when I realized they tend to be the most liberal.  I thought they would be more attached or sympathetic to tradition.  
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church

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    « Reply #3 on: July 17, 2015, 11:49:19 AM »
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  • They are the flower children of the 60's.
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    « Reply #4 on: July 17, 2015, 12:00:54 PM »
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  • Poll Answer: Yes (and my daughters do the same)  

    Feminine Modesty in dress and demeanor is of most importance in my home and close social circle. I really don't see any situation where me or my daughters would need to wear pants. We don't EVER wear pants and this is true even for my youngest infant daughter. Regardless weather, place or circumstance modesty in dress and demeanor is not to be compromised and this must be taught and enforced since babyhood. Catholic ladies really need this type of apostolate to return to honor and chastity and eradicate the decadent and repulsive fashions and manners brought by the feminists.

    A TRUE LADY IS RECOGNIZED BY HER MODEST ATTIRE. True. Thank you for sharing this article. Women in pants are a sure sign of egalitarian, feminist, liberal or modernist tendencies even if they are not aware of it. Unfortunately, because of the feminist and sexual revolution, there are a lot of girls out there that don't know this but they need to be informed. They need to know they won't be getting any true respect, love, or dedication by dressing or acting immodestly, and most importantly, they won't be serving Our Lord but Satan, by inciting sin and banal ephimeral desires, instead of contributing to the virtue of our neighbors and the edification of society.
                   
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    « Reply #5 on: July 17, 2015, 12:19:07 PM »
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  • Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey
    They are the flower children of the 60's.


    Good point.  But even people who grew in the 50's are like that.  But now that I think of it what you say makes sense.
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church

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    « Reply #6 on: July 17, 2015, 12:24:20 PM »
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  • Quote from: Cantarella
    Poll Answer: Yes (and my daughters do the same)  

    Feminine Modesty in dress and demeanor is of most importance in my home and close social circle. I really don't see any situation where me or my daughters would need to wear pants. We don't EVER wear pants and this is true even for my youngest infant daughter. Regardless weather, place or circumstance modesty in dress and demeanor is not to be compromised and this must be taught and enforced since babyhood. Catholic ladies really need this type of apostolate to return to honor and chastity and eradicate the decadent and repulsive fashions and manners brought by the feminists.

    A TRUE LADY IS RECOGNIZED BY HER MODEST ATTIRE. True. Thank you for sharing this article. Women in pants are a sure sign of egalitarian, feminist, liberal or modernist tendencies even if they are not aware of it. Unfortunately, because of the feminist and sexual revolution, there are a lot of girls out there that don't know this but they need to be informed. They need to know they won't be getting any true respect, love, or dedication by dressing or acting immodestly, and most importantly, they won't be serving Our Lord but Satan, by inciting sin and banal ephimeral desires, instead of contributing to the virtue of our neighbors and the edification of society.
                   


    Here is one area where I agree with you 100% Cantarella.  God bless you.  Keep up the good work.  There is another forum where the moderators will not allow a discussion on it if there is too much disagreement and the people accuse you of usurping the hierarchy and binding false teaching on others if you encourage women to dress like ladies.  I really did not expect a fight on the issue but I got one even from people that agree that women should not wear pants.  
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church

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    « Reply #7 on: July 19, 2015, 03:09:44 AM »
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  • It's really good to hear of folks who know how to dress modestly.
    Sincerely,

    Shin

    'Flores apparuerunt in terra nostra. . . Fulcite me floribus.' (The flowers appear on the earth. . . stay me up with flowers. Sg 2:12,5)'-


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    « Reply #8 on: July 19, 2015, 03:53:30 PM »
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  • If my sister ever wants to do something with me I tell her she must wear a long skirt or traditional dresses. It is truly frustrating that Marxian feminism (the product of Jewish intellectuals) has made women a bunch of whores these days who even dress like whores. It is not surprising though because in Marxism the whore and the pimp are the male and female sexual ideals.

    I myself make sure any woman I am around wears a dress or a skirt and when my hippie feminist grandmother passes along (who wears Americanised fashion) that will be at 100%.

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    « Reply #9 on: July 19, 2015, 05:26:20 PM »
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  • See look the downthumb above is evidence of Marxian feminism even here. :wink:

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    « Reply #10 on: July 20, 2015, 06:09:30 AM »
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  • Quote from: Traditional Guy 20
    It is truly frustrating that Marxian feminism (the product of Jewish intellectuals) has made women a bunch of whores these days who even dress like whores.

    By wearing trousers?? I though whores traditionally wore skirts/dresses!


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    « Reply #11 on: July 20, 2015, 01:09:19 PM »
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  • I believe he means they are immodest.  The pants on women and the increase in promiscuity came at the same time.  A nice package deal with the pill, women's lib and all that.  
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church

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    « Reply #12 on: July 20, 2015, 02:00:18 PM »
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  • I'm a Catholic man who wears pants.  LoT, I always thought you were a man.

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    « Reply #13 on: July 20, 2015, 05:01:31 PM »
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  • Just like with certain other fields (natural home remedies, how to grow food in a natural or "Permaculture" manner, or how to manage a large family), how to dress modestly is a lost art, as in "Even the oldest living humans today were born after the knowledge/habit was lost"

    My wife's grandmother recently passed away. She wore polyester slacks all the time. She was in her 90's. No, she wasn't a flower child. The "flower children" were Baby Boomers -- she would have been the generation before the Baby Boomers.

    She had 8 children; she was part of the last generation to have "normal sized" families.

    Anyhow, you know the situation is serious when even the oldest of old people don't have the knowledge/were corrupted. (in the discussion at hand, "were corrupted" would apply).


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    « Reply #14 on: July 21, 2015, 05:05:34 AM »
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  • Quote from: Matthew
    Just like with certain other fields (natural home remedies, how to grow food in a natural or "Permaculture" manner, or how to manage a large family), how to dress modestly is a lost art, as in "Even the oldest living humans today were born after the knowledge/habit was lost"

    My wife's grandmother recently passed away. She wore polyester slacks all the time. She was in her 90's. No, she wasn't a flower child. The "flower children" were Baby Boomers -- she would have been the generation before the Baby Boomers.

    She had 8 children; she was part of the last generation to have "normal sized" families.

    Anyhow, you know the situation is serious when even the oldest of old people don't have the knowledge/were corrupted. (in the discussion at hand, "were corrupted" would apply).





    That is true.  They go with the flow.  They don't want to be be considered out of step.  The irony is in order to avoid being considered out of step the step along with all the other out of step people who have lost their way.  
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church


     

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