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If you don't stand for something you'll fall for anything
« on: June 30, 2010, 05:49:02 PM »
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  • Fortunately Myrna stood for something.  And kept standing in spite of the pressure put on her.

    I mentioned earlier that there is a move to destroy love of country, but it was ignored.  I went looking for something addressing that, but came up with little pointed material.  Here is what I found.

    http://www.safehaven.com/article/6799/the-new-world-order-bilderbergs

    Although it appeared that the United States was leading the world, it was really the corporate military industrial complex within and without the U.S., together with the elite international financiers who owned most industries that was steering world policy. The United States had always been an isolationist country. It had to be dragged into World War II. So too its acceptance and membership into the entanglements of international institutions had to be had by stealth, much as the spider builds his web to trap his unwary host. This is a point most often misunderstood in the field of geopolitics and political science: the difference between the vehicle of power and the power that employs the vehicle, as a mode of transportation, to spread its force of will - across the land.

    Nation states make war with one another - they have geographical boundaries that define one combatant from another. Often times more than one nation state will join with others against a common foe, be it a single nation or a group of nations. However, capitalists or international money changers know no national boundaries; their pursuit of profits scans the entire globe. This is an important distinction to remember and is often overlooked when discussing the geopolitics of world governance. There are Nation States, and there are supranational organizations of international capitalists - whose interests are not always one and the same. In the end it is the money changers who control the day.

    Both the Euro and the European Union's role in the global scheme of world power is generally misunderstood. Most often both are viewed as a DIRECT tool for global domination or hegemony. While this is true on one level - such is not the level that is espoused by most academics or politicians.

    It must be remembered that the European Union and the Euro are the brainchild of the international elite, just as central banking and all international institutions are. They were created as the prototype or model of one world government and one world money. Hence the breakdown of national boundaries resulting in a zone of influence.

    Likewise is the Shanghai Organization zone, and the North Atlantic Alliance zone. All three result in the reduction of nationalism in favor of internationalism. The individual citizen is at the bottom of the food chain, when in fact they are sovereign and come before both nations and supranational zones of governance.

    People come first; nations second; and international organizations last. All forms of government are for the people, by the people, and of the people. Governments receive their granted powers from the people, to serve the people, and to protect their god given and unalienable rights. So it is written. So it will be. So it is. Until night is no more.


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    « Reply #1 on: June 30, 2010, 06:03:31 PM »
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  • Then there are the cyber soldiers.

    MY PROFILE From The Times July 28, 2006

    Israel backed by army of cyber-soldiersFrom Yonit Farago in Jerusalem WHILE Israel fights Hezbollah with tanks and aircraft, its supporters are campaigning on the internet.
    Israel’s Government has thrown its weight behind efforts by supporters to counter what it believes to be negative bias and a tide of pro-Arab propaganda. The Foreign Ministry has ordered trainee diplomats to track websites and chatrooms so that networks of US and European groups with hundreds of thousands of Jєωιѕн activists can place supportive messages.

    In the past week nearly 5,000 members of the World Union of Jєωιѕн Students (WUJS) have downloaded special “megaphone” software that alerts them to anti-Israeli chatrooms or internet polls to enable them to post contrary viewpoints. A student team in Jerusalem combs the web in a host of different languages to flag the sites so that those who have signed up can influence an opinion survey or the course of a debate.
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    « Reply #2 on: June 30, 2010, 06:04:28 PM »
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  • Then there are the "super Catholics" who don't act at all like Catholics, and you can see what I suspect.
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    « Reply #3 on: June 30, 2010, 06:36:20 PM »
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  • Ladies and gentlemen, let this thread be a testament to the mental confusion engendered by Catholicism mixed with American patriotism.  I defy anyone to tell me what Trinity is talking about.

    We have heard from the usual suspects, Belloc on my side and Myrna on Trinity's.  Parentsfortruth, Elizabeth, Ladislaus, do you have any idea what is going on here?  Telesphorus?  Are Israelis being honored here at the expense of super-Catholics?  And what is a super-Catholic?  
    Readers: Please IGNORE all my postings here. I was a recent convert and fell into errors, even heresy for which hopefully my ignorance excuses. These include rejecting the "rhythm method," rejecting the idea of "implicit faith," and being brieflfy quasi-Jansenist. I also posted occasions of sins and links to occasions of sin, not understanding the concept much at the time, so do not follow my links.

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    « Reply #4 on: June 30, 2010, 06:40:02 PM »
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  • She has me confused too, Raoul.  It's best to just stay out of things.  Too many cooks spoil the dinner.  All chiefs, and no indians.  Or is that last remark considered racist/hate crime these trying days in our lovely USofA?


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    « Reply #5 on: June 30, 2010, 07:14:14 PM »
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  • America is masonic.

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    « Reply #6 on: June 30, 2010, 07:14:15 PM »
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  • Alexandria said:
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    She has me confused too, Raoul. It's best to just stay out of things. Too many cooks spoil the dinner. All chiefs, and no indians. Or is that last remark considered racist/hate crime these trying days in our lovely USofA?


    I'm not sure I am following you either.  This must not be my day.  

    My guess is that a super-Catholic is someone like Belloc or myself who sees problems with the anti-Catholic actions of the leaders of this country, including some of our clergy, like Bishop Carroll from the other thread.  These clergy saw America as new and fresh, the model for a vibrant democracy that must be spread everywhere.  Meanwhile Spain, for instance, with its rusty authoritarian Catholicism, was on its way out.

    Trinity is accusing us of being part of a propaganda machine to defame America, I think.  This may sound far-fetched, but it isn't.  My 80-year old friend who is a WWII vet told me that I was inadvertently working for Obama, that I was like the liberals in my anti-American attitude.  He didn't say this very seriously, mind you, and he only said it once.  But he still said it.

    My interpretation -- Trinity knows that what Belloc or myself or Dawn is saying is true, deep down, but she doesn't want to face it.  She is desperately trying to recover her former peace of mind that she had when everything was right with the world and America was mom-and-pop and apple pie and cornfields and smiles.  I have seen this with my 80-year old friend, or with my mother, this refusal to face reality.  I have seen it all around me.  It's the story of our time.

    She is fighting with herself, and that's why her posts are confusing.  She is in better shape than Myrna though who is hard as nails with her false beliefs.

    I will just wait and let the truth come to light, without forcing it.  I'm glad that all this is out in the open now.  Something in the air is changing.  
    Readers: Please IGNORE all my postings here. I was a recent convert and fell into errors, even heresy for which hopefully my ignorance excuses. These include rejecting the "rhythm method," rejecting the idea of "implicit faith," and being brieflfy quasi-Jansenist. I also posted occasions of sins and links to occasions of sin, not understanding the concept much at the time, so do not follow my links.

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    « Reply #7 on: June 30, 2010, 07:14:22 PM »
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  • If you need clarification, which I doubt, I think Raoul, Belloc and CS are plants, in here to polish off any loyalty we might still have to our country.  

    God created this land and us and our ancestors.  We have had a lot of good years on it, and the most sinister thing most Americans did was work hard and raise their families.  Now along come these super Catholics telling us we are Americanist heretics for refusing to spit on these God given gifts.  

    Whether wittingly or unwittingly these three are accomplishing NWO objectives.  
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    « Reply #8 on: June 30, 2010, 07:14:44 PM »
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  • People come first; nations second; and international organizations last. All forms of government are for the people, by the people, and of the people. Governments receive their granted powers from the people, to serve the people, and to protect their god given and unalienable rights. So it is written. So it will be. So it is. Until night is no more.
    The above is a load of masonic crapola. That is pure Americanism. All authority comes from God through the leaders and down to the people. Governments get their authority from God not the other way around.

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    « Reply #9 on: June 30, 2010, 07:15:19 PM »
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  • Ha!  I was right that she thinks I am a spy!  Check the time of my message and Trinity's message.  


    Readers: Please IGNORE all my postings here. I was a recent convert and fell into errors, even heresy for which hopefully my ignorance excuses. These include rejecting the "rhythm method," rejecting the idea of "implicit faith," and being brieflfy quasi-Jansenist. I also posted occasions of sins and links to occasions of sin, not understanding the concept much at the time, so do not follow my links.

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    « Reply #10 on: June 30, 2010, 07:22:59 PM »
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    "People come first; nations second; and international organizations last. All forms of government are for the people, by the people, and of the people. Governments receive their granted powers from the people, to serve the people, and to protect their god given and unalienable rights. So it is written. So it will be. So it is. Until night is no more."


    Doesn't he mean "So mote it be"?   :wink:
    Readers: Please IGNORE all my postings here. I was a recent convert and fell into errors, even heresy for which hopefully my ignorance excuses. These include rejecting the "rhythm method," rejecting the idea of "implicit faith," and being brieflfy quasi-Jansenist. I also posted occasions of sins and links to occasions of sin, not understanding the concept much at the time, so do not follow my links.


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    « Reply #11 on: June 30, 2010, 07:26:59 PM »
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  • .. Venerable Brothers, it is surprising that in our time such a great war is being waged against the Catholic Church. But anyone who knows the nature, desires and intentions of the sects, whether they be called masonic or bear another name, and compares them with the nature the systems and the vastness of the obstacles by which the Church has been assailed almost everywhere, cannot doubt that the present misfortune must mainly be imputed to the frauds and machinations of these sects. It is from them that the ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan, which gathers its troops against the Church of Christ, takes its strength. In the past Our predecessors, vigilant even from the beginning in Israel, had already denounced them to the kings and the nations, and had condemned them time and time again, and even We have not failed in this duty. If those who would have been able to avert such a deadly scourge had only had more faith in the supreme Pastors of the Church! But this scourge, winding through sinuous caverns, . . . deceiving many with astute frauds, finally has arrived at the point where it comes forth impetuously from its hiding places and triumphs as a powerful master. Since the throng of its propagandists has grown enormously, these wicked groups think that they have already become masters of the world and that they have almost reached their pre-established goal.

    -Pius IX

    my favorite quote on history

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    « Reply #12 on: June 30, 2010, 07:37:03 PM »
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  • Sorry, Telesphorus, I miss your point, but I see Raoul got mine even though he pretended not to.  Thanks, Dawn.  I am satisfied that I have warned people.  Keep loving the good things of this country in spite of the hate thy country Catholicism that is going around.

    Oh, by the way, Dawn, tell that to the Russians or Chinese or whatever troops they use to conquer us.  
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    « Reply #13 on: June 30, 2010, 07:38:12 PM »
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  • This is not something that I can speak of well, just studying it. But, the persons in this country who "did the right thing" raising their children, being good  neighbours and so on. Is that not just Natural Virtue, and in fact not the highest order of virtue. I mean being good because you should instead of doing all these things for Christ.

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    « Reply #14 on: June 30, 2010, 07:39:34 PM »
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  • Good grief!  Does that make them evil and worthy of hate?
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