Author Topic: If man attempts inter-dimensional travel? (Read 2872 times)

ProtectorofOrder · « **on:** September 30, 2014, 03:47:27 AM »

Recently emerged a theory of there being more than one reality/plane of existence. Been floating around recently in people about the idea of a Multiverse.

If this is true since God would have power over all the other universes what would happen if mankind attempts inter-dimensional travel since one of the other planes is where Satan and his demons operate from? Possibly Heaven and Hell might be created in different dimensions/realities as God has power over all and he created it all?

And if man one day discovers a way to travel to other planes what could possibly happen if they attempt it? How would God respond?

I've once had this thought that what if the people who built the Tower of Babil were actually attempting to travel to Heaven and somehow they got the knowledge of how to from something?

poche · « **Reply #1 on:** September 30, 2014, 04:08:08 AM »

The Nicene Creed says that god created all things visible and invisible. His omniscience, omnipotence, and omnipresence means that he has power over everything. That includes any kind of interdimensional alternative universes that could concievably be out there.

LaramieHirsch · « **Reply #2 on:** September 30, 2014, 04:29:54 AM »

If man attempts inter-dimensional travel....he would end up on the CoasttoCoastAM radio show.

Frances · « **Reply #3 on:** September 30, 2014, 06:52:58 AM »

:dancing-banana:Bon Voyage! Can't wait to see your vacation pics on Facebook!

TKGS · « **Reply #4 on:** September 30, 2014, 07:00:49 AM »

This really isn't that new of a theory, just watch re-runs of Star Trek: The Next Generation. It's just gaining more traction lately because it provides explanations of creation that can, somehow, eliminate the need to believe in God in the minds of the so-called scientific community. In fact, my understanding of all this is that the arguments put out by the movie, The Principle, is the prime reason these theories are being spread so quickly at this time.

Speaking of The Principle, I thought it was due out in September yet I haven't seen anything about it.

BTNYC · « **Reply #5 on:** September 30, 2014, 09:45:05 AM »

Quote from: ProtectorofOrder

Recently emerged a theory of there being more than one reality/plane of existence. Been floating around recently in people about the idea of a Multiverse.

If this is true since God would have power over all the other universes what would happen if mankind attempts inter-dimensional travel since one of the other planes is where Satan and his demons operate from? Possibly Heaven and Hell might be created in different dimensions/realities as God has power over all and he created it all?

And if man one day discovers a way to travel to other planes what could possibly happen if they attempt it? How would God respond?

I've once had this thought that what if the people who built the Tower of Babil were actually attempting to travel to Heaven and somehow they got the knowledge of how to from something?

This is pure scientistic gobbledygook. Pay it no mind.

It's the result of a century of a "cosmology" that is made up of materialist errors built upon materialest errors going back to the "Big Bang theory" (a theory so fundamentally flawed, it requires the postulation of "dark matter" - which by definition cannot be seen or measured - in order to explain the objective non-existence of 95% of the matter in the universe that the theory vainly demands must be there) and the theory of "relativity" (of which Nikola Tesla said: "Einstein's relativity work is a magnificent mathematical garb which fascinates, dazzles and makes people blind to the underlying errors. The theory is like a beggar clothed in purple whom ignorant people take for a king... its exponents are brilliant men but they are metaphysicists rather than scientists.").

All of the above is itself the result of the evolutionary mania that swept up the Western World in Darwin's wake, which seeks to relativize everything, to deny that things are what they are, to postulate instead that everything is in a state of flux; which is a denial of the very concept of Ens - being itself. And this of course, is the product of the Great Atheising of what was once Christendom that is now known as the "Enlightenment." God is the Being upon which all that exists is contingent, without Him, nothing at all could exist. Likewise, without submission to the Truth of God's existence, the whole concept of being per se gets thrown out the window.

That's why we have science fiction masquerading today as what was once known as Natural Science, resulting in absurdities like the "Multiverse" theory or the "Hologram Theory" (which postulates that all of Creation is merely a holographic projection of the "real" cosmos which exists in a two dimensional plane on the bubble-like surface of the universe!) being given serious consideration. It brings to mind the quote apocryphally attributed to Chesterton: "The man who ceases to believe in God does not believe then in nothing, he believes in anything."

holysoulsacademy · « **Reply #6 on:** September 30, 2014, 10:29:26 AM »

Quote from: BTNYC

Quote from: ProtectorofOrder
Recently emerged a theory of there being more than one reality/plane of existence. Been floating around recently in people about the idea of a Multiverse.

If this is true since God would have power over all the other universes what would happen if mankind attempts inter-dimensional travel since one of the other planes is where Satan and his demons operate from? Possibly Heaven and Hell might be created in different dimensions/realities as God has power over all and he created it all?

And if man one day discovers a way to travel to other planes what could possibly happen if they attempt it? How would God respond?

I've once had this thought that what if the people who built the Tower of Babil were actually attempting to travel to Heaven and somehow they got the knowledge of how to from something?

This is pure scientistic gobbledygook. Pay it no mind.

It's the result of a century of a "cosmology" that is made up of materialist errors built upon materialest errors going back to the "Big Bang theory" (a theory so fundamentally flawed, it requires the postulation of "dark matter" - which by definition cannot be seen or measured - in order to explain the objective non-existence of 95% of the matter in the universe that the theory vainly demands must be there) and the theory of "relativity" (of which Nikola Tesla said: "Einstein's relativity work is a magnificent mathematical garb which fascinates, dazzles and makes people blind to the underlying errors. The theory is like a beggar clothed in purple whom ignorant people take for a king... its exponents are brilliant men but they are metaphysicists rather than scientists.").

All of the above is itself the result of the evolutionary mania that swept up the Western World in Darwin's wake, which seeks to relativize everything, to deny that things are what they are, to postulate instead that everything is in a state of flux; which is a denial of the very concept of Ens - being itself. And this of course, is the product of the Great Atheising of what was once Christendom that is now known as the "Enlightenment." God is the Being upon which all that exists is contingent, without Him, nothing at all could exist. Likewise, without submission to the Truth of God's existence, the whole concept of being per se gets thrown out the window.

That's why we have science fiction masquerading today as what was once known as Natural Science, resulting in absurdities like the "Multiverse" theory or the "Hologram Theory" (which postulates that all of Creation is merely a holographic projection of the "real" cosmos which exists in a two dimensional plane on the bubble-like surface of the universe!) being given serious consideration. It brings to mind the quote apocryphally attributed to Chesterton: "The man who ceases to believe in God does not believe then in nothing, he believes in anything."

Yes, the theory of General Relativity and Special Relativity is being debunked all across the world by scientists, physcicists, and even mathematicians.

Google - rational physics conference
Recently held in Austria i think
Several scientific papers from those attending are even found in German (still trying to translate)
I am still trying to make heads of it all so I can explain it in the way I understand it, which so far is not much
Any help would be appreciated

holysoulsacademy · « **Reply #7 on:** September 30, 2014, 12:45:57 PM »

Quote from: BTNYC

Quote from: ProtectorofOrder
Recently emerged a theory of there being more than one reality/plane of existence. Been floating around recently in people about the idea of a Multiverse.

If this is true since God would have power over all the other universes what would happen if mankind attempts inter-dimensional travel since one of the other planes is where Satan and his demons operate from? Possibly Heaven and Hell might be created in different dimensions/realities as God has power over all and he created it all?

And if man one day discovers a way to travel to other planes what could possibly happen if they attempt it? How would God respond?

I've once had this thought that what if the people who built the Tower of Babil were actually attempting to travel to Heaven and somehow they got the knowledge of how to from something?

This is pure scientistic gobbledygook. Pay it no mind.

It's the result of a century of a "cosmology" that is made up of materialist errors built upon materialest errors going back to the "Big Bang theory" (a theory so fundamentally flawed, it requires the postulation of "dark matter" - which by definition cannot be seen or measured - in order to explain the objective non-existence of 95% of the matter in the universe that the theory vainly demands must be there) and the theory of "relativity" (of which Nikola Tesla said: "Einstein's relativity work is a magnificent mathematical garb which fascinates, dazzles and makes people blind to the underlying errors. The theory is like a beggar clothed in purple whom ignorant people take for a king... its exponents are brilliant men but they are metaphysicists rather than scientists.").

All of the above is itself the result of the evolutionary mania that swept up the Western World in Darwin's wake, which seeks to relativize everything, to deny that things are what they are, to postulate instead that everything is in a state of flux; which is a denial of the very concept of Ens - being itself. And this of course, is the product of the Great Atheising of what was once Christendom that is now known as the "Enlightenment." God is the Being upon which all that exists is contingent, without Him, nothing at all could exist. Likewise, without submission to the Truth of God's existence, the whole concept of being per se gets thrown out the window.

That's why we have science fiction masquerading today as what was once known as Natural Science, resulting in absurdities like the "Multiverse" theory or the "Hologram Theory" (which postulates that all of Creation is merely a holographic projection of the "real" cosmos which exists in a two dimensional plane on the bubble-like surface of the universe!) being given serious consideration. It brings to mind the quote apocryphally attributed to Chesterton: "The man who ceases to believe in God does not believe then in nothing, he believes in anything."

Yes, the theory of General Relativity and Special Relativity is being debunked all across the world by scientists, physcicists, and even mathematicians.

Google - rational physics conference
Recently held in Austria i think
Several scientific papers from those attending are even found in German (still trying to translate)
I am still trying to make heads of it all so I can explain it in the way I understand it, which so far is not much
Any help would be appreciated

Vexilla Regis · « **Reply #8 on:** October 01, 2014, 04:19:39 PM »

This looks just like another absurdity cooked up by modern science - which is devoid of common sense.

MyrnaM · « **Reply #9 on:** October 01, 2014, 04:50:58 PM »

In my day, I think if this is the same thing it was call an out of body experience and I know someone who attempted it, he got so scared when he claims he started to float to the ceiling, his fear brought him quickly right back into his body, and said he would never attempt it again.

Also question: is another name for this remote viewing? Heard of this but know next to nothing about it.

Matthew · « **Reply #10 on:** October 01, 2014, 04:58:42 PM »

Quote from: ProtectorofOrder

Recently emerged a theory of there being more than one reality/plane of existence. Been floating around recently in people about the idea of a Multiverse.

If this is true since God would have power over all the other universes what would happen if mankind attempts inter-dimensional travel since one of the other planes is where Satan and his demons operate from? Possibly Heaven and Hell might be created in different dimensions/realities as God has power over all and he created it all?

And if man one day discovers a way to travel to other planes what could possibly happen if they attempt it? How would God respond?

I've once had this thought that what if the people who built the Tower of Babil were actually attempting to travel to Heaven and somehow they got the knowledge of how to from something?

I can't express how ridiculous this thread is.

It's like saying, "If I built a time machine, right? And went back to Calvary 33 AD with some modern weaponry, and stopped the crucifixion... would we still be saved? How would God react?"

Answer: He wouldn't have to, because such a scenario is safely stuck in your own vivid, wild imagination!

Inter-dimensional travel will never happen. It's that simple. Ditto for time travel.

Yeah, I know. Yadda yadda Wright Brothers yadda yadda. But unlike the naysayers regarding manned flight, I'm actually right about this one! hahaha

I'm as big of a sci-fi fan as any of them. I've seen every episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation and more sci-fi movies that I care to admit. But I'm also a Catholic and enough in touch with reality -- I'm objective enough -- to know it's all a bunch of nonsense.

Ask yourself WHY the existence of humanoid aliens (or time travel, or inter-dimensional travel/"star gates", faster-than-light "warp drive", etc.) seems to be logical and inevitable. It wouldn't be all the Hollywood movies you've seen over the past 20 years, would it?

Just think about it.

Why do you think there are other beings out there? Oh, let me guess. It's because "if it were only us, it would be an enormous waste of space." Nice quote from Contact there. Guess what? Carl Sagan was an atheist (before he died, that is -- hahaha! Bet he's not an atheist anymore...)

Saying that the universe is so big and vast there HAS to be other life is the same as admitting to the false religion of ex-nihilo Evolution.

Any kind of travelling to other "dimensions" or points in time would give us a literally God-like power over time and our own existence. Part of being a creature is being passive with regards to time. We suffer time. We are subject to it. Time acts upon us, and we can only be passive about it. That's the very definition of being a creature rather than the Creator.

All of these things -- aliens, time travel, dimensional travel, artificial intelligence that can think like a man -- they make for good movies, but there is no shred of reality in any of them.

They all must be rejected on philosophical and/or religious grounds.

Matthew · « **Reply #11 on:** October 01, 2014, 05:11:54 PM »

No, there aren't a million universes out there, including a universe just like this one where I had hamburgers for lunch and one where I had taco salad, one with Hitler winning WW2 and I had the taco salad, and one with Hitler winning and I had the hamburgers...

For one thing, that would presuppose there are a near-infinite number of "Matthew" souls, some of which end up in Hell for eternity, and some of which end up in Heaven for eternity. Or are there an infinite number of heavens/hells as well?

I think the latter would have to be the case. Otherwise you'd have a collection of Matthew at some point that would look like a mirror fun room of some sort!

See, the whole "infinite universes" thing only works in a universe where there's no God, everything happens by chance, ex-nihilo Evolution, and "death is the end of everything" (you are annihilated after you die). Oh, and let's not forget the clincher: religion is a delusion suffered by primitive peoples BEFORE they are enlightened by science into realizing it's all a bunch of nonsense. In other words, the Star Trek universe.

Ergo: Not compatible with Catholicism! Next...

Jehanne · « **Reply #12 on:** October 01, 2014, 08:47:37 PM »

Quote from: Matthew

Ergo: Not compatible with Catholicism! Next...

The OP is just pure nonsense. Human beings are absolutely unique in the Universe. We are a mixture of animal and angel, our bodies being natural and our eternal, immortal souls being angelic. Carl Sagan, a professed agnostic atheist, spent over a generation looking for intelligent signals from space, and after intense searching, the result is null, absolutely nothing. Even the famous "Wow" signal was only detected in one detector:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wow!_signal

If it was truly present as an extraterrestrial source, then both detectors would have found it, which means that it was just probably some transistor which was having "an episode."

If atheistic materialism were true, the Universe should be populated with intelligence life. (Evolution is, after all, "blind" -- read Dawkin's The Blind Watchmaker.) But, more than that, we all have immaterial souls:

And, evolution can not explain that!

holysoulsacademy · « **Reply #13 on:** October 01, 2014, 09:24:11 PM »

+AMDG+

As ludicrous as it all sounds to you, the OP is talking about things being seriously considered and experimented on.

All of it is absurd, but they have built a large particle collider on the border of France and Switzerland that is supposed to be able to replicate the moment just after the big bang,
Hadron Collider
they are also, from my understanding, trying to create a mini black hole and many other scientists and physicists are against it
Citizens Against the LHC

All of this is being done trying to attempt time travel, interdimensional travel, etc. I know it sounds very far fetched and I could not believe it myself how vast these theories are being promoted.

Especially in light of the Higgs boson "discovery", they said they saw it for a a moment and their claim is that the Higgs boson is proof for the Big Bang Theory.

There are people who believe and actively live their lives in pursuit of all this, and I agree, TV, Hollywood, gaming, etc. all lay the groundwork for the world to accept these theories.

Here's a Physicist who has very strong arguments to dispute all the relativist science out there
You stupid relativist - the crazy word of Einstein's Idiots

OHCA · « **Reply #14 on:** October 01, 2014, 09:30:29 PM »

A little surprised by a couple of things. 1) I'm the only one who has up-thumbed Matthew's last two posts; 2) Matthew didn't go ahead and give OP his going-away-thanks-for-playing gift.