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If Evolution, then why ZERO evidence of mankind evolving?
« on: January 31, 2021, 03:57:56 AM »
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  • Another decent argument against Evolution to add to your arsenal:

    Why is there no indication of ANY evolution of Man during the historical period, which goes back several thousand years?

    How long do they say that modern Man, homo sapiens, has existed?  The historical record has *got* to be a decent % of that. There should be some indications, one way or the other, that we are either evolving or devolving.

    Now I posit that all the evidence points to man devolving, rather than evolving. And don't point to your damn smartphone! That isn't part of you. Babies coming out of the womb today don't start with the basics of electronics in their brains, and then build from there as they get older. Most "Homo Modernus Smartphonus" circa 2021 couldn't even build a single smartphone if they had 20 "lifeline" calls (think: gameshow) and a budget of 100 million dollars.

    Heck, the typical young person circa 2021 can't even produce his own food, much less work any scientific wonders.

    As further evidence for my assertion, just look at ancient languages being more complex than recent ones. And people relied on their memories rather than Google. No, we are devolving if anything, not evolving onward and upward, into a new life form.

    Just read a book or newspaper from 1880, and then one from 2020, if you don't believe me.
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    Re: If Evolution, then why ZERO evidence of mankind evolving?
    « Reply #1 on: January 31, 2021, 05:34:54 AM »
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  • A friend sent me an email with an article "Harvard Scientists Reconstruct the Game-Changing Evolution From Fin-to-Limb in Early Tetrapods". I didn't bother reading  a word of it of course.

    I only responded to him :

    There’s an easy religion to make a good living on, writing “doctrines”  of things that happened 390 million years ago, theories with no repercussions, unlike, the "theory" that a lightning bug is the same as lightning.

    The best thing to do with evolutionist is to make a joke of their garbage, it is not worth even a thought.
    The Vatican II church - Assisting Souls to Hell Since 1962

    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. Mat 24:24


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    Re: If Evolution, then why ZERO evidence of mankind evolving?
    « Reply #2 on: January 31, 2021, 09:21:21 AM »
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  • I've heard apocryphal tales of people being born without pinky toes --- the evolutionists might say that this is a remnant that is no longer needed. 

    Pray tell, how does that work?

    Even if one were to admit natural selection (which may work on a small, micro-scale, e.g., birds with longer beaks to retrieve food, or reptiles being better able to survive if they're invisible to predators), there would have to be some advantage to not having pinky toes, that people without pinky toes are more attractive mates, that they have better survival skills, and so on.  That is nonsense.

    If there is any evolution at all among humans, it would (or so it seems to me anyway) depend more on the relative attractiveness of males and fertile females to each other, and for the "highest-quality" people to seek out and find one another, so that succeeding generations are stronger, more attractive, and so on. 

    You can see this happening to some extent with both taboos against interracial marriage, and greater accessibility of the races to one another.  Some white women simply cannot respond favorably to any man unless he is black --- my theory on this, is that it is not only perceived sɛҳuąƖ prowess (and other things), but a general perception that black men are more "purely masculine", stronger, better able to protect their women, and possess massive reserves of "self-confidence", whether they have a reason to be "self-confident" or not.  (And why wouldn't they be self-confident?  Everything in our society tells them that they hung the moon!)  Likewise, many black men prefer white women because of a sense of "we can now finally have what was kept away from us", they are not as hard to please or to get along with as black women are (who can be pretty brassy, to hear them tell it, they've had to be), and black men tend to be more forgiving of size.  (For some reason, they gravitate towards fat redheads.  Interesting preference.)

    There is a similar phenomenon with white men and Asian women.  As with black men/white women, it's a symbiotic thing.  Asian women like white men because they are perceived as being "more masculine", the men treat them better, and appreciate them more.  Many white men prefer Asian women --- indeed, as with the black men/white women thing, some white men simply cannot entertain the thought of having anyone but an Asian woman --- because they are more petite, more delicate, more feminine, and not as hard to get along with, as white women are.  As a white man, I can definitely see this, though my understanding is that Asian women (Chinese women, anyway) like to control the family finances  --- no woman would ever "give me an allowance", I'd have stayed single for life first! --- and their extended families are extremely important to them.  (I acknowledge that these are generalizations, and exceptions can and do exist.  Yet exceptions always just prove the rule, otherwise they wouldn't be exceptions.)

    I hope I haven't departed too far from the thread, but I'm just trying to illustrate how there can be variations in the human "species" over time, but that they owe more to psychological, sɛҳuąƖ, and interpersonal realities, than to raw physical skills needed for survival and advantage in the material world.


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    Re: If Evolution, then why ZERO evidence of mankind evolving?
    « Reply #3 on: January 31, 2021, 11:28:06 AM »
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  • It was of course the proposed evolution of man from primate that challenged the most serious fundamental Catholic dogma of all, Original Sin. The whole concept and nature of man (created in the image of Christ) would have to be abandoned or reviewed if such a theory were to be accepted. In the first place we would have to consider man has a transient nature, that is, it must have a temporary state in the progress of evolution.

    True man, evolution asserts, did not exist in the beginning, neither in kind or nature, and if their theory of evolution is taken in its entirety, neither will he exist as he is at the end of the world, which evolutionists tell us will occur when the sun burns the earth to ashes in a few billion years; another old condemned Pythagorean heresy. According to Catholic dogma, mankind was created physically as they exist now, male and female, intelligent, speaking a full language, and given knowledge by God from the beginning. Every civilisation, no matter how primitive, living or gone, was found by true science to have a language, perfect and complete. No human-related animal ever existed. Such an evolution of creatures, depicted endlessly in ‘scientific’ journals by way of sketches of apes to man, are inventions; evolutionary art forms, intended to programme minds with such ideas. Nevertheless, even Catholics over the last century have been taught that this primate-to-man picture is not necessarily contrary to the faith in that one of these evolved monkeys could have been zapped by God with a human soul to ‘create’ the first human, which of course presents another heresy, a two souled body, human and ape, another problem for evolved Adam. Evolution was/is used extensively by atheism to blot out all recognition of God. If we look at any creature on Earth, from whales to insects, and wonder on their exquisite perfection, design, ability and purpose, such considerations should lead us to recognise an Intelligent Designer. But with natural evolution now credited with such design, even man, few see God in it. Let us now see where else Darwinism led the world to since its acceptance. 


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    Re: If Evolution, then why ZERO evidence of mankind evolving?
    « Reply #4 on: January 31, 2021, 11:47:04 AM »
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  • Evolution continues:


    ‘The leader of the Bolshevik Revolution, Vladimir Lenin had been born into a Christian home but lost his faith as a teenager and embraced evolutionary materialism.  On his desk sat a sculpture of a chimpanzee sitting on a pile of books, including Darwin’s Origin of Species, contemplating a human skull.  Lenin coolly sat in the presence of that sculpture, overseeing the murders of millions of innocent people, all in the name of evolutionary progress.  Lenin’s successor as communist dictator of the Soviet Union, Josef Stalin, also lost his faith in God as a seminarian after reading Darwin’s evolution and Lyell’s uniformitarianism.  He oversaw the murder of more than twenty million people, all in the name of evolutionary progress.  When communism then spread to China, Mao Tse Tung’s forces held compulsory seminars in every town they captured, not in the teachings of Marx, Lenin, or Mao, but in evolutionism, because, in the words of Passionist missionary bishop Cuthbert O’Gara, evolutionary theory could be used to destroy people’s faith in God, in the soul, and in the after-life, and communism could then take root in the minds of the people. The evolutionary hypothesis provided a rationale for communist movements all over the world.  It also provided a pseudo-scientific rationale for the eugenics movement in the United States, Germany and elsewhere. Evolutionary theory was used to justify genocide in the German colony of Namibia in the early twentieth century and to justify the ideology of the nαzι party which took power in Germany in 1933… According to Adolf Hitler, the purpose of the nαzι Party was to advance evolution.’ --- Kolbe Center report 17/7/2017. 

    In the numerous papal speeches to the Pontifical Academy of Sciences, no pope ever officially said a bad word against evolution theories. Indeed quite the opposite. In 1950 Pope Pius XII wrote in his encyclical Humani Generis the following:

    ‘36. For these reasons the Teaching Authority of the Church does not forbid that, in conformity with the present state of human sciences and sacred theology, research and discussions, on the part of men experienced in both fields, take place with regard to the doctrine of evolution, in as far as it inquires into the origin of the human body as coming from pre-existent and living matter - for the Catholic faith obliges us to hold that souls are immediately created by God…..’--- H. G.

    On October 22, 1996, Pope John Paul II, reflecting on Pius XII’s ‘observation’ on evolution in Humani Generis said:

    ‘Today, almost half a century after the publication of the Encyclical, new knowledge has led to the recognition of more than one hypothesis in the theory of evolution. It is indeed remarkable that this theory has been progressively accepted by researchers, following a series of discoveries in various fields of knowledge. The convergence, neither sought nor fabricated, of the results of work that was conducted independently is in itself a significant argument in favour of this theory.'

    Note there is never as mention of Eve in their evolution beliefs. Where does Eve fit in with evolution of Adam's body from pre-existing matter?



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    Re: If Evolution, then why ZERO evidence of mankind evolving?
    « Reply #5 on: January 31, 2021, 11:57:09 AM »
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  • Man's Evolution continued:

    As regards the history of human society, here again it cannot be found wanting. It tells us man was monotheistic, intelligent and civilised from the very beginning. After the Fall and again after the Deluge, many did lapse into primitive ways, seeking out any environment that could sustain them, whether village, jungle, desert, cave or mud-hut, such as can be found even today. Nevertheless, because man is an ordered, intellectual and social creature, records were prone to be kept, both oral and written. It is reasonable to say then that if the Bible records a real 6-7,000 year’s history, surely this past should be evident in the traditions of some people, whether primitive or sophisticated. As it happens, this is the case. There is not a single culture discovered that had/has not a perfect language and a history of the world that begins with the biblical account, an original couple of Adam and Eve and a cataclysm. For example, consider the following studies:

    (1) An investigation into Chinese palaeography called God’s Promise to the Chinese.[1] In a summary of this book, the reviewer states:  

    ‘The three joint-authors have clearly demonstrated, to this reviewer’s satisfaction at least, that the inventor of the original Chinese characters, which were inscribed on tortoise shells and bones, knew and believed in an identical account of creation and Earth’s beginnings to that found in Moses’ Book of Genesis….The Chinese have always revered their writing system. Calligraphy ranks supreme in their artistic scale of values… Just 142 of the earliest hieroglyphic pictograms contain, in a highly condensed (and therefore mentally portable and ineradicable form) key components of the Book of Genesis. Since the truth or otherwise of the Flood has profound implications for the study of geology, in the Book of Docuмents (Sha Ching), written 3,000 years ago, we read: “The flood waters were everywhere, destroying everything as they rose above the hills and swelled up to Heaven.” ’[2]

    The authors go on to show how the earliest Chinese were monotheists who worshiped ShangDi or the ‘God Above.’ For more than 4,000 years they sacrificed to Him in the imperial city of Beijing in what was called the ‘Border Sacrifice.’ Confucius (551-479BC) thought this sacrifice so important that he compared an understanding of it to the efficient ruling of the Chinese empire. The Border Sacrifice ended with the Manchu Ch’ing dynasty in 1911. Watch this video and you will see that the Chinese language is based on Genesis.



    (2) In his book After the Flood,[4] a 25-year study into Middle Eastern/European palaeography, Bill Cooper traces the early post-Deluge history of the Middle East and Europe. His task was to see if the ‘Table of Nations’ (Genesis Chapter 10 and 11) could be verified in the history of nations prior to Christianity. If he could find a lineage from the Japhetic line in these histories, it would confirm the Bible also recorded true history. Cooper found ample evidence in eastern and western archives to confirm Middle East and European lines are both descended from the Japhetic tree. In Britain, Wales and Ireland he found the records of the early settlers went back 2,000 years, with the same genealogy to European differing only in language. What amazed Cooper was that the records of this history were so easy to find and so evident that he concluded its absence from textbooks, schools and universities had to be a deliberate cօռspιʀαcʏ by the earthmoving evolutionists to uphold their version of things. (taken from the book The Earthmovers)


    [1] E. Nelson, R. Broadberry and G. Chock: God’s Promise to the Chinese, Read Books, HCR 65 Box 580, Dunlap, TN 37327, USA, 1997.
    [2] Tim Williams: Christian Order, November 2001, pp.629, 631.
    [4] Bill Cooper: After the Flood, New Wine Press, 22 Arun Business Park, Bognor Regis, West Sussex, PO22 9SX, England, 1995.



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    Re: If Evolution, then why ZERO evidence of mankind evolving?
    « Reply #6 on: January 31, 2021, 05:17:06 PM »
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  • Although Francis Parker Yockey was not a Catholic, I find the section on Darwinism in his book Imperium to be one of the best takedowns of this nonsense that I've read. Here are some excerpts that I would like to share: 



    "This is only the foreground, for actually the road from Darwin back to Calvin is quite clear: Calvinism is a religious interpretation of the "survival of the fittest" idea, and it calls the fit the "elected." Darwinism makes this election-process mechanical-profane instead of theological-religious: selection by Nature instead of election by God. It remains purely English in the process, for the national religion of England was an adaptation of Calvinism." (pg. 44)




    "In the first place, there is no "Struggle for existence" in nature; this old Malthusian idea merely projected Capitalism on to the animal world. Such struggles for existence as do occur are the exception; the rule in Nature is abundance. There are plenty of plants for the herbivores to eat, and there are plenty of herbivores for the carnivores to eat. Between the latter there can hardly be said to be "struggle," since only the carnivore is spiritually equipped for war. A lion making a meal of a zebra portrays no "struggle" between two species, unless one is determined so to regard it. Even so, he must concede that it is not physically, mechanically, necessary for the carnivores to kill other animals. They could as well eat plants — it is the demand of their animal souls however to live in this fashion, and thus, even if one were to call their lives struggles, it would not be imposed by "Nature" but by the soul. It becomes thus, not a "struggle for existence," but a spiritual necessity of being one's self." (pgs. 45-46)



    "As a factual picture, this is easier to refute than it is to prove, and factual biological thinkers, both Mechanists and Vitalists, like Louis Agassiz, Du Bois-Reymond, Reinke, and Driesch rejected it from its appearance. The easiest refutation is the palaeontological. Fossil deposits — found in various parts of the earth — must represent the possibilities generally. Yet they disclose only stable specie-forms, and disclose no transitional types, which show a species "evolving" into something else. And then, in a new fossil hoard, a new species appears, in its definitive form, which remains stable. The species that we know today, and for past centuries, are all stable, and no case has ever been observed of a species "adapting" itself to change its anatomy or physiology, which "adaptation" then resulted in more "fitness" for the "struggle for existence," and was passed on by heredity, with the result of a new species.

    Darwinians cannot get over these facts by bringing in great spaces of time, for palaeontology has never discovered any intermediate types, but only distinct species. Nor are the fossil animals which have died out any simpler than present-day forms, although the course of evolution was supposed to be from simple to complex Life-forms. This was crude anthropomorphism — man is complex, other animals are simple, they must be tending toward him, since he is "higher" biologically.

    Calling Culture-man a "higher" animal still treats him as an animal. Culture-man is a different world spiritually from all animals, and is not to be understood by referring him to any artificial materialistic scheme." (pg. 46)



    "The Darwinian analogy between artificial selection and natural selection is also in opposition to the facts. The products of artificial selection such as barnyard fowls, racing dogs, race horses, ornamental cats, and song-canaries, would certainly be at a disadvantage against natural varieties. Thus artificial selection has only been able to produce less fit life-forms.

    Nor is Darwinian sɛҳuąƖ selection in accordance with facts. The female does not by any means always choose the finest and strongest individual for a mate, in the human species, or in any other." 
    (pgs. 46-47)




    "The utilitarian aspect of the picture is also quite subjective — i.e., English, capitalistic, parliamentarian — for the utility of an organ is relative to the use sought to be made of it. A species without hands has no need of hands. A hand that slowly evolved would be a positive disadvantage over the "millions of years" necessary to perfect the hand. Furthermore, how did this process start! For an organ to be utile, it must be ready; while it is being prepared, it is inutile. But if it is inutile, it is not Darwinian, for Darwinism says evolution is utilitarian." (pg. 47)




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    Re: If Evolution, then why ZERO evidence of mankind evolving?
    « Reply #7 on: January 31, 2021, 10:46:05 PM »
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  • Evolution continues:


    In the numerous papal speeches to the Pontifical Academy of Sciences, no pope ever officially said a bad word against evolution theories. Indeed quite the opposite. In 1950 Pope Pius XII wrote in his encyclical Humani Generis the following:

    ‘36. For these reasons the Teaching Authority of the Church does not forbid that, in conformity with the present state of human sciences and sacred theology, research and discussions, on the part of men experienced in both fields, take place with regard to the doctrine of evolution, in as far as it inquires into the origin of the human body as coming from pre-existent and living matter - for the Catholic faith obliges us to hold that souls are immєdιαtely created by God…..’--- H. G.

    On October 22, 1996, Pope John Paul II, reflecting on Pius XII’s ‘observation’ on evolution in Humani Generis said:

    ‘Today, almost half a century after the publication of the Encyclical, new knowledge has led to the recognition of more than one hypothesis in the theory of evolution. It is indeed remarkable that this theory has been progressively accepted by researchers, following a series of discoveries in various fields of knowledge. The convergence, neither sought nor fabricated, of the results of work that was conducted independently is in itself a significant argument in favour of this theory.'

    Note there is never as mention of Eve in their evolution beliefs. Where does Eve fit in with evolution of Adam's body from pre-existing matter?


    Interestingly, two Popes with Jєωιѕн family lines, both struggling with contradictions to the Catholic Faith.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi


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    Re: If Evolution, then why ZERO evidence of mankind evolving?
    « Reply #8 on: February 01, 2021, 07:33:17 AM »
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  • Interestingly, two Popes with Jєωιѕн family lines, both struggling with contradictions to the Catholic Faith.
    Just for the heck of it, what exactly was Pius XII's Jєωιѕн ancestry?  I don't challenge it, I've just never heard that before.  TBH, his nose is characteristically Jєωιѕн (convex nasal bridge), though both my grandfather and my uncle had the same type of nose, and they were anything but Jєωιѕн (English and Scots-Irish).

    I realize that John Paul II's mother's maiden name was Kaczorowa (the Polonized feminine form of the surname Katz, FWIW I have known Christians whose last name was Katz, so it may be aboriginally Jєωιѕн or it may not be), but I have never heard that about Pius XII.

    And then there is the (in my opinion) fairly well-docuмented narrative that St Pius X's family was Polish --- "Sarto" is an Italian calque of the Polish surname "Krawiec", both of which translate to "tailor" (Taylor).

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    Re: If Evolution, then why ZERO evidence of mankind evolving?
    « Reply #9 on: February 01, 2021, 09:17:55 AM »
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  • Just for the heck of it, what exactly was Pius XII's Jєωιѕн ancestry?  I don't challenge it, I've just never heard that before.  TBH, his nose is characteristically Jєωιѕн (convex nasal bridge), though both my grandfather and my uncle had the same type of nose, and they were anything but Jєωιѕн (English and Scots-Irish).

    I realize that John Paul II's mother's maiden name was Kaczorowa (the Polonized feminine form of the surname Katz, FWIW I have known Christians whose last name was Katz, so it may be aboriginally Jєωιѕн or it may not be), but I have never heard that about Pius XII.

    And then there is the (in my opinion) fairly well-docuмented narrative that St Pius X's family was Polish --- "Sarto" is an Italian calque of the Polish surname "Krawiec", both of which translate to "tailor" (Taylor).


    Let me try to answer.

    I don't think anyone denies that the Pacelli and Montinni families came from merchant class Jєωιѕн lines.

    If you can find such a denial, please post it.



    No one seems to question is that both "merchant" families came to Rome and converted to Catholicism.  
    Okay, they are Catholics now and not Jҽωs anymore.  Is that so?

    Try to find something on both Pacelli's and Montini's seminary life.  They both home schooled.

    The converso Jєω is always "conflicted" and has to be watched to make sure he does not regress back to judaism.

    I submit that Pope Pius XII had a conflicted papacy.  His papacy opened the door for the modernists.  
    BTW, this is the judaic MO for initial infiltration into any organization

    Pope Paul VI was Catholic and clearly developed into a nut-job, homo Jєω who wrecked our Church's liturgy among many other things.

    For John Paul II, I firmly believe his mother was Jєωιѕн, meaning, according to Jєωιѕн interpretation, that he too was considered a Jєω.


    I suppose there are hair locks extant of all three Popes that could be tested to technically prove the extent of their Jєωιѕнness.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: If Evolution, then why ZERO evidence of mankind evolving?
    « Reply #10 on: February 01, 2021, 10:07:09 AM »
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  • Let me try to answer.

    I don't think anyone denies that the Pacelli and Montinni families came from merchant class Jєωιѕн lines.

    If you can find such a denial, please post it.



    No one seems to question is that both "merchant" families came to Rome and converted to Catholicism.  
    Okay, they are Catholics now and not Jҽωs anymore.  Is that so?

    Try to find something on both Pacelli's and Montini's seminary life.  They both home schooled.

    The converso Jєω is always "conflicted" and has to be watched to make sure he does not regress back to judaism.

    I submit that Pope Pius XII had a conflicted papacy.  His papacy opened the door for the modernists.  
    BTW, this is the judaic MO for initial infiltration into any organization

    Pope Paul VI was Catholic and clearly developed into a nut-job, homo Jєω who wrecked our Church's liturgy among many other things.

    For John Paul II, I firmly believe his mother was Jєωιѕн, meaning, according to Jєωιѕн interpretation, that he too was considered a Jєω.


    I suppose there are hair locks extant of all three Popes that could be tested to technically prove the extent of their Jєωιѕнness.
    OK, let me make sure I understand, but first of all, let me also make it clear, that I am not arguing the matter one way or the other.  Neither am I, for the sake of this discussion, going to debate whether having a Pope from a converted, ancestrally Jєωιѕн family, is a good thing, a bad thing, or a neutral thing.  St Peter was a Jєω.  Not sure about Pope Linus.  Not sure when the line of originally-Jєωιѕн popes "petered out" (groannnnn....... :facepalm:).

    Your logic is interesting, and TBH, I would have to dig out my college logic textbook, to see how much merit it has.  OK, here goes.  Nobody denies the facts you provide.  I have not yet found such a denial.  But let's say I do.  Or let's say I don't.  The latter is no proof of truth --- just proof that nobody denies these claims.

    Seems to me that the hairlock testing would be the best way to go.


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    Re: If Evolution, then why ZERO evidence of mankind evolving?
    « Reply #11 on: February 01, 2021, 10:28:42 AM »
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  • OK, let me make sure I understand, but first of all, let me also make it clear, that I am not arguing the matter one way or the other.  Neither am I, for the sake of this discussion, going to debate whether having a Pope from a converted, ancestrally Jєωιѕн family, is a good thing, a bad thing, or a neutral thing.  St Peter was a Jєω.  Not sure about Pope Linus.  Not sure when the line of originally-Jєωιѕн popes "petered out" (groannnnn....... :facepalm:).

    Your logic is interesting, and TBH, I would have to dig out my college logic textbook, to see how much merit it has.  OK, here goes.  Nobody denies the facts you provide.  I have not yet found such a denial.  But let's say I do.  Or let's say I don't.  The latter is no proof of truth --- just proof that nobody denies these claims.

    Seems to me that the hairlock testing would be the best way to go.

    Thanks for your response SM.

    Yeah, I know, the Jҽωs have gotten a lot of cover on the: "Jesus was a Jєω" rebuttal.  

    But, I've found that the following Scriptural response usually leaves them speechless:  

    "He came unto his own, and his own received him not." [John 1:11]

    The anti-Pope Anacletus (1130) is said to be a precedent for our modern string of Jєω popes.

    The following link is a Jєωιѕн newspaper's account of his papacy.

    This day in Jєωιѕн history

    What this article fails to mention is that
    Anacletus was accused of bribing 17/22 Cardinals to elect him Pope.  

    There was no conclave after his death, as St. Bernard of Clairvaux accompanied an army to Rome to install the rightful Peter, Innocent II as Pope.

    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: If Evolution, then why ZERO evidence of mankind evolving?
    « Reply #12 on: February 01, 2021, 11:42:18 AM »
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  • I don't think anyone denies that the Pacelli and Montinni families came from merchant class Jєωιѕн lines.

     I did not know that Pope Pius XII was descended from Jєωs. I have considered it as a possibility, but never talked about it because I thought everyone would think I was crazy and hate on me. But now you bring it up.
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    Re: If Evolution, then why ZERO evidence of mankind evolving?
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  • I did not know that Pope Pius XII was descended from Jҽωs. I have considered it as a possibility, but never talked about it because I thought everyone would think I was crazy and hate on me. But now you bring it up.


    This book was very revealing as to Papal behaviors requiring a "Mother figure" to ascend in the Vatican.

    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: If Evolution, then why ZERO evidence of mankind evolving?
    « Reply #14 on: February 01, 2021, 06:01:12 PM »
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  • Evolution continues:


    ‘The leader of the Bolshevik ʀɛʋօʟutιօn, Vladimir Lenin had been born into a Christian home but lost his faith as a teenager and embraced evolutionary materialism.  On his desk sat a sculpture of a chimpanzee sitting on a pile of books, including Darwin’s Origin of Species, contemplating a human skull.  Lenin coolly sat in the presence of that sculpture, overseeing the murders of millions of innocent people, all in the name of evolutionary progress.  Lenin’s successor as communist dictator of the Soviet Union, Josef Stalin, also lost his faith in God as a seminarian after reading Darwin’s evolution and Lyell’s uniformitarianism.  He oversaw the murder of more than twenty million people, all in the name of evolutionary progress.  When ƈσmmυɳιsm then spread to ƈhıną, Mao Tse Tung’s forces held compulsory seminars in every town they captured, not in the teachings of Marx, Lenin, or Mao, but in evolutionism, because, in the words of Passionist missionary bishop Cuthbert O’Gara, evolutionary theory could be used to destroy people’s faith in God, in the soul, and in the after-life, and ƈσmmυɳιsm could then take root in the minds of the people. The evolutionary hypothesis provided a rationale for communist movements all over the world.  It also provided a pseudo-scientific rationale for the eugenics movement in the United States, Germany and elsewhere. Evolutionary theory was used to justify genocide in the German colony of Namibia in the early twentieth century and to justify the ideology of the nαzι party which took power in Germany in 1933… According to Adolf Hitler, the purpose of the nαzι Party was to advance evolution.’ --- Kolbe Center report 17/7/2017.

    In the numerous papal speeches to the Pontifical Academy of Sciences, no pope ever officially said a bad word against evolution theories. Indeed quite the opposite. In 1950 Pope Pius XII wrote in his encyclical Humani Generis the following:

    ‘36. For these reasons the Teaching Authority of the Church does not forbid that, in conformity with the present state of human sciences and sacred theology, research and discussions, on the part of men experienced in both fields, take place with regard to the doctrine of evolution, in as far as it inquires into the origin of the human body as coming from pre-existent and living matter - for the Catholic faith obliges us to hold that souls are immєdιαtely created by God…..’--- H. G.

    On October 22, 1996, Pope John Paul II, reflecting on Pius XII’s ‘observation’ on evolution in Humani Generis said:

    ‘Today, almost half a century after the publication of the Encyclical, new knowledge has led to the recognition of more than one hypothesis in the theory of evolution. It is indeed remarkable that this theory has been progressively accepted by researchers, following a series of discoveries in various fields of knowledge. The convergence, neither sought nor fabricated, of the results of work that was conducted independently is in itself a significant argument in favour of this theory.'

    Note there is never as mention of Eve in their evolution beliefs. Where does Eve fit in with evolution of Adam's body from pre-existing matter?

    JP2 actually at one point called it "more than a theory".  

    This was one of the many harmful things done by Pius XII ... adding to his condoning of NFP (leading to this Catholic Birth Control phenomenon), his experimentations with the Liturgy, and his early Ecuмenical gatherings.  And, oh yes, let us not forget that he appointed, during his lengthy reign, nearly every bishop that would eventually bring us the glories of Vatican II.  Heck, even Roncalli threw Bugnini out of the Vatican.