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Re: If Evolution, then why ZERO evidence of mankind evolving?
« Reply #30 on: February 14, 2021, 08:48:01 AM »
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  • In a 2003 PAS book recording the speeches by popes to the Academy and on a 2017 Academy website, it lists one speech by Pope Benedict XV to the PAS in 1917; sixteen addresses by Pope Pius XI from 1923 to 1938; nine by Pope Pius XII from 1939 to 1957; two by Pope John XXIII in 1961 and 1962; nine by Pope Paul VI from 1963 to 1977; thirty-six by Pope John Paul II from 1979 to 2002; six addresses by Pope Benedict XVI from 2006 to 2012; and four so far by Pope Francis up to 2018. We see then how active and important modern faith and science has become to popes in the wake of the Galilean U-turn.

    The first assembly of the new Academy was inaugurated on June 1st 1937 by the then Cardinal Secretary of State, Cardinal Eugenio Pacelli, the future Pope Pius XII. On a plaque placed by him to commemorate his predecessor Pius XI’s role in renewing the Academy, Cardinal Pacelli reminded all that their hero Galileo was a leader of the original Accademia dei Lincei. On December third 1939, Pope Pius XII, within a few months of his election to the papacy, made his first speech to the Academy in which he again praised Galileo. No one involved in this scientific academy it seems, could put two and two together and see that science had long admitted Galileo’s heliocentrism was never proven a scientific fact, nor that the scientific evidence actually favoured the geocentrism upheld by the Bible, the Fathers and popes in 1616 and 1633. The Pope’s address was named ‘Man Ascends to God by Climbing the Ladder of the Universe,’ which was practically a copy of the name Bellarmine gave his book of 1614, The Mind’s Ascent to God (by the Ladder of Created Things), a book that differed in that whereas Bellarmine’s ladder to God was geocentric, Pope Pius XII’s ‘ladder’ adhered to a Big Bang evolved heliocentric steps.

    ‘With the joy of knowledge, you, elected geniuses, add the art of the search of truth, and then return to your studies and laboratories, rich in the thought which is the result of having conquered an enigma, so as to add to the admirable treasure-store of science. This is the way of human progress, a difficult avenue to take, marked by the footprints of the most audacious heroes of research from Thales, Aristotle, Archimedes, Ptolemy, from Galileo to Bacon, to Leonardo da Vinci, to Copernicus, to Kepler, Newton, Voltaire, Pasteur, Curie, Hertz, Edison, Marconi and one hundred more names that one could add; and to you who, having received the flame of investigation and knowledge, will pass it on with greater brilliance to even younger heroes, who are not afraid of the stumbling blocks and the risks of the way nor are they fearful of the funereal monuments erected to the glorious souls who have died along its path.’ --- Pope Pius XII ‘ladder’ address to the PAS, 3/12/1939.

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    Re: If Evolution, then why ZERO evidence of mankind evolving?
    « Reply #31 on: February 14, 2021, 08:53:22 AM »
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  • Here above and again below we see included as the ‘heroes’ who brought about the ‘joy of knowledge’ men whose false science was condemned by the Church as formal heresy; Galileo, Kepler, Newton and Voltaire, a ‘knowledge’ that led many souls to deny our Omnipotent Creator and into naturalism and atheism.

    ‘The skies made of crystal have disappeared. The genius of Kepler and that of Newton were able to recognise in the sky the mechanical actions found on earth; in the flame and light of those revolving worlds you were able to discover elements to be found on our own globe; and by binding in marriage sky and earth you were able to extend the Empire of physics which was already rich in her pure and applied mathematical experiments, and in her genius, investigations and courageous acts and which had the effect of promoting nuclear and atomic physics.’ --- Pope Pius XII at the inaugural meeting of the PAS held 30th November 1941.

    That of course was before atomic bσɱbs were dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the cities where Christianity first took hold in Japan. On 8th February 1948, Pius XII once again addressed the Academy. This time up for praise was the solar system evolutionist Pierre-Simon Laplace. The Pope writes:

    ‘“I do not know how I appear to the world, but to myself I appear like a child, who plays on the shore of the sea and rejoices, because he finds every now and then a smoother pebble and a less well-known shell than usual, while the great ocean lies before him unexplored.” These words of Newton today, after three centuries in the modern ferment of the physical and natural sciences, sound more than ever true. Of Simon Laplace we hear that, while he was lying ill and the friends who where around him were remembering his great discovery, he replied, smiling bitterly: “that which we know is small, but that of which we are ignorant is immense.”’

    Recall Bonaparte asked Laplace - who ‘discovered,’ sorry modified, Immanuel Kant’s Nebular theory, the first ever theory as to how a heliocentric solar system evolved - where God fits in with this idea. Laplace replied: ‘Sire, I have no need for that hypothesis,’ a quip often quoted as a natural evolving solar system that does not need a Creator. Laplace’s ‘discovery,’ dust to orbiting earth, contains two heresies condemned long ago by the Fathers. The Pope then moves on to Edwin Hubble and his billions of years of an expanding universe. Yes the same Hubble who said ‘we do not know why we are born into this world, but we can try to find out what sort of world it is.’ This quote was taken from a television hour on Hubble’s space telescope programme that sends magnificent pictures of the stars back to Earth. Among them were supernovas, the gas remains of exploding stars. These were described as looking back in time at stars in their process of evolution rather than their destruction after the Fall. Pope Pius XII then tries to make Genesis fit into the ‘scientific’ ages, stating radioactive dating shows the Earth and meteorites are five billions of years old, another pack of assumptions we examined earlier in Chapter 32.

    "Although these figures are astonishing, nevertheless, even the simplest believer would not take them as unheard of and differing from those derived from the first words of Genesis, ‘In the beginning …’, which signify the beginning of things in time. These words take on a concrete and almost mathematical expression, and new comfort is given to those who share with the Apostle an esteem for Scripture, divinely inspired, which is always useful to teach, to prove, to correct, to educate..."

    "How different and reflecting great vision is the language of a modern top grade scientist, Sir Edmund Whittaker, a Pontifical Academician, when he speaks of his researches concerning the age of the world…“We may perhaps without impropriety refer to it as the Creation. It supplies a concordant background to the view of the world which is suggested by the geological evidence, that every organism ever existent on the earth has had a beginning in time. If this result should be confirmed by later researches, it may well come to be regarded as the most momentous discovery of the age; for it represents a fundamental change in the scientific conception of the universe, such as was effected four centuries ago by Copernicus”’--Pius XIII

    What we witness in such addresses by popes to the Pontifical Academy of Sciences is the victory of Galileo’s reformation ‘even over the elect.’ Yes, the victory of this Pythagorean ‘scientific’ fɾαυd over the intellectual world was so complete that had popes even considered a geocentric creation they would have been laughed out of their ‘scientific’ Academy. What churchman, after praising the science of Galileo, Kepler, Newton and Laplace would put faith before science then or now, and risk the inevitable mockery from academics and the mєdια publicity that would result from it? Just picture it; martyrdom would have been a more preferable choice than such derision and embarrassment; and that is why churchmen ignored the fact that a geocentric universe was in fact compliant with the relativity they should all have been aware of, a metaphysics they will continue to ignore for the preferred ‘scientific’ view, no matter what. The hold on the mind of man, with their intellectual pride, is akin to a magic spell as we pointed out many chapters ago. Had churchmen reconsidered the 1820 U-turn in 1905, when science admitted geocentrism was never falsified, the internal damage might have been contained somewhat, for it could be shown and argued that the popes of the U-turn were supplied with spurious information and were practically coerced into dropping the ban on books on heliocentrism while granting imprimaturs to others. More importantly though, no pope ever issued any official abrogation, nor showed any personal criticism of Pope Paul V’s 1616 decree up to then. Given there is Christian faith in so many other scientifically impossible and non-provable things, things like miracles, a return to the interpretation of a stable Earth in Scripture would simply have been one more subject of Catholic belief based on Revelation.

    ‘In an article in L’Osservatore Romano last November, entitled Thank you, Galileo, Father José Funes [a Jesuit of course], Director of the Specola Vaticana, the Vatican observatory, remarked: “There would have been no Galileo without the Catholic Church, and perhaps there would have been no Specola Vaticana [Vatican Observatory] without Galileo.”... All the Popes have always considered Galileo a genius: here outside there is a plaque that was set up by Pope Pius XII, which states that Galileo was a leading spirit of the Academy.’  ---- 30 days website.


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    Re: If Evolution, then why ZERO evidence of mankind evolving?
    « Reply #33 on: February 15, 2021, 07:57:13 AM »
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  • Cassini,

    Your posts are great!  

    They add a boat load of ammunition to the “Marrano popes” argumentation.

    Long live a non judaic Ireland, 
    the home of true Saints & Scholars!

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    Re: If Evolution, then why ZERO evidence of mankind evolving?
    « Reply #34 on: February 15, 2021, 03:48:55 PM »
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  • It's such tripe that people believe Darwin said 'survival of the fittest' yet he never said it.
    Survival of the fittest, term made famous in the fifth edition (published in 1869) of On the Origin of Species by British naturalist Charles Darwin, which suggested that organisms best adjusted to their environment are the most successful in surviving and reproducing. Darwin borrowed the term from English sociologist and philosopher Herbert Spencer, who first used it in his 1864 book Principles of Biology. (Spencer came up with the phrase only after reading Darwin’s work.)
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    Re: If Evolution, then why ZERO evidence of mankind evolving?
    « Reply #35 on: February 15, 2021, 03:50:11 PM »
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  • Cassini,

    Your posts are great!  

    They add a boat load of ammunition to the “Marrano popes” argumentation.

    Long live a non judaic Ireland,
    the home of true Saints & Scholars!

    :incense:

    Thanks Incred, elsewhere I got barred from their Catholic forums for such information.
     Oh I have learned a lot in the last 30 years when I first started to investigate evolution.

    ‘Satan uniquely entered the Catholic Church at some point over the last century, or even before. For over a century, the organizers of Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ, Liberalism, and Modernism infiltrated the Catholic Church in order to change her doctrine, her liturgy, and her mission from something supernatural to something secular.’ (Taylor Marshall, October 4, 2019 (LifeSiteNews)

    ‘Naturalism is more than a heresy; it is pure undiluted anti-Christianism. Heresy denies one or more dogmas; naturalism denies that there are any dogmas or that there can be any. Heresy alters more or less what God has revealed; naturalism denies the very existence of revelation. What hurls more people into hell nowadays that any other epoch, is rationalism or naturalism.
    (The kingship of Christ, Cardinal Pie of Poitiers

    Few know how Satan entered the Catholic Church in the 1800s that removed the supernatural from Catholicism replacing it with a natural secular Catholicism. This occurred when popes were advised by the likes of Maurizio Benedetto Olivieri (1769-1845). a Dominican friar, Holy Office consultant and professor of Old Testament studies at La Sapienza University who was promoted to Commissary General of the Inquisition, a giant leap in authority, that the heliocentrism condemned in 1616 as formal heresy was a violent one (winds etc on an orbiting Earth) but that in 1820 science had proven heliocentrism was not a violent one so that one was not formal heresy. In other words the Church could have its infallible cake (the 1616 decree against violent heresy) and eat it also by allowing a non-violent heliocentrism to be believed within Catholicism.

    Consider the above with the knowledge that what was actually defined in 1616 as formal heresy was to deny the revelation that the SUN orbited the Earth. It said nothing about a violent Earth. 

    And that is how secular naturalism entered the Catholic Church, an evolved solar-system replaced a supernatural creation by God. From that moment on, not one pope questioned this 'non-violent heliocentrism 'science,' not even when two science tests showed geocentrisdm was never proven wrong. In 1893, such was the secular attack on Scripture theb Pope Leo XIII wrote Providintissimes Deus to try to stop it. In it he said that if the literal is shown to have been misinterpreted by science it could be changed. The SSPX quoted this as Church teaching when denying the bible reveals a moving sun.

    Not one pope since condemned any other secular natural theory of origins like long-ages evolutionism in fear of being proven wrong if they tried to defend supernatural creation as revealed in Genesis.. Oh yes St Pope Pius X condemned philosophical evolutionism but never said a word abour false science. 

    For 180 years then, popes have tried to make false-science Catholic. But secular science won the war and billions lost faith in the supernatural and finally in Catholicism itself as our generation witnesses.              

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    Re: If Evolution, then why ZERO evidence of mankind evolving?
    « Reply #36 on: February 16, 2021, 12:34:06 PM »
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  • Here is more on evolution.

    Throughout the early drift into modernism or neo-Gnostic Pythagoreanism as it could be called, Catholicism as a sacramental religion sustained the flock as ever before and not a pope, cardinal, bishop, priest, nun, theologian, layman or laywoman at the time saw any of these long-condemned Pythagorean heresies as having any significance or negative bearing on the Catholic faith. And that is how Galileoism undermined the basis of the faith like dry rot in a cathedral, invisible and unnoticed by those praying in the pews. It was the Galilean lie that went on to undermine the supernatural and metaphysical faith of Catholicism and replaced it with a faith based on natural secular reason. There was one however who knew the consequences of Galileo’s reformation.

    ‘As a result of the collapse of geocentrism, which she has come to accept, the Church is now caught between her historic-dogmatic representation of the world’s origin, on the one hand, and the requirements of one of her most fundamental dogmas on the other – so that she cannot retain the former without to some degree sacrificing the latter… In earlier times until Galileo, there was perfect compatibility between historical representation and the Fall and dogmas of universal Redemption – and all the more easily too, in that each was modelled on the other… Today we know with certainty that the stellar universe is not centred on the Earth, and that terrestrial life is not centred on mankind.’ --Fr. T. de Chardin S. J. Christianity and Evolution, Collins, 1971, p, 38.

    Fr Teilhard de Chardin, the ‘Peking man’ evolutionist and pantheist, ‘identified with the astronomer Galileo, making his own the mythical phrase attributed to him, “the Earth turns.” Teilhard would give those words the meaning of evolutionary change,’ wrote Fr Malachi Martin in his Jesuits. Von Hildebrand tells us that when Augustine was mentioned, Teilhard said: ‘Don’t mention that unfortunate man; he spoiled everything by introducing the supernatural.’---Deitrich von Hildebrand: Trojan Horse in the City of God. 1996.

    ‘His posthumously published book, The Phenomenon of Man, set forth a sweeping account of the unfolding of the cosmos and the evolution of matter to humanity, to ultimately a reunion with Christ. In his book, Teilhard de Chardin abandoned literal interpretations of creation in Genesis in favor of allegorical and theological interpretations. The unfolding of the material cosmos is described from primordial particles to the development of life, human being.’ --- Wikipedia.


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    Re: If Evolution, then why ZERO evidence of mankind evolving?
    « Reply #37 on: February 16, 2021, 12:37:42 PM »
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  • Having abandoned and deprived the Catholic Church of its scholastic exegeses and its theologically based philosophy and metaphysics by conceding to heliocentrism and a natural theory of origins, this necessitated a novel theology to satisfy the new understanding brought about by the ‘findings of science.’ This ‘development of doctrine’ they called it, was first championed within Catholicism by the likes of John Henry Newman (1801-1890), a Protestant convert, later made a cardinal, a boastful ‘scholar’ as we will see later, a man who embraced Galileoism and when Darwin’s evolution came out in 1859 he found it agreed with his thinking about ‘change and development.’ Indeed, Notre Dame University’s Church Life Journal called him ‘the patron saint of evolution.’ Following Newman, it was Teilhard’s evolutionary theology that found favour among many of the Vatican II hierarchy including popes.
        
    ‘Nonetheless, Teilhard’s overall vision greatly influenced the council [Vatican II] fathers in their docuмent, Gaudium et Spes, and every recent pope, starting with Pope Paul VI, has favourably cited from the priest’s works. Pope Francis even gave him a footnote in his encyclical, Laudato Si’, incorporating his sense of a mysterious, beautiful unfolding of the world where the ultimate destiny of the universe is in the fullness of God.’--- Crux. Taking the Catholic pulse.
     
    In 1962, a monitum, a warning against Teilhard de Chardin’s writings had been issued, while at the same time many churchmen were in awe of his thinking. Four years later, in 1966, Pope Paul VI was praising him for finding the ‘spiritual’ in evolutionism. In 1981, Pope John Paul II’s secretary of State praised Teilhard’s brilliance. In 2009 Pope Benedict XVI publicly praised Teilhard’s notion of the cosmos as a “living host,” and in 2015, as we see above, Pope Francis cited Teilhard approvingly in footnote 53 to Laudato Si.
      
    ‘Sigmund Freud believed science (including psychoanalysis) to have inflicted three severe blows to man’s perception of himself. In the sixteenth century Copernicus inflicted a cosmological blow by demonstrating that the Earth moved around the sun, and was not the centre of the universe. In the nineteenth century Darwin inflicted a biological blow by showing man’s evolutionary continuity with the animals, and in the twentieth, his own emphasis on the unconscious determination of human behaviour dealt a drastic blow to man’s sense of psychological freedom.’[1]
     
    There they are now, in historic and consequential order, the three deceitful ‘scientific’ systems now believed by most outside and inside the Catholic Church; Copernicus and Galileo supposedly ‘demonstrating’ the Earth moves around the sun in a solar system; Darwin and Huxley, allegedly ‘showing’ life on Earth, including man, evolved over billions of years; and Sigmund Freud, the one who wrote Moses and Monotheism, ‘emphasising’ his psychology built upon the two earlier hoaxes. Nevertheless, this triple concoction is now the preferred worldview, demonstrating modern man is now the rationalist model personified; and surrounded as he is with new technology and scientific pursuits, is far too convinced to believe he can be deceived by any such intellectual stealth.


    [1] Stephen Wilson: The B. Book of the Mind, Bloomsbury, 2003, p.312.





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    Re: If Evolution, then why ZERO evidence of mankind evolving?
    « Reply #38 on: February 20, 2021, 10:40:33 AM »
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  • Who is "Rosie Goldie"?

    Sounds like it could be the name of a female Jєωιѕн vaudeville star around the turn of the 20th century :laugh1:
    https://catholicoutlook.org/rosemary-goldie-the-parramatta-girl-in-the-vatican/

    Answered my own question.
    It sounded like Rosie O'Donnell and Goldie Hawn had a baby or something.  (In Rosie's dreams! :jester:  )

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    Re: If Evolution, then why ZERO evidence of mankind evolving?
    « Reply #39 on: February 20, 2021, 10:56:50 AM »
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  • Another decent argument against Evolution to add to your arsenal:

    Why is there no indication of ANY evolution of Man during the historical period, which goes back several thousand years?

    How long do they say that modern Man, homo sapiens, has existed?  The historical record has *got* to be a decent % of that. There should be some indications, one way or the other, that we are either evolving or devolving.

    Now I posit that all the evidence points to man devolving, rather than evolving. And don't point to your damn smartphone! That isn't part of you. Babies coming out of the womb today don't start with the basics of electronics in their brains, and then build from there as they get older. Most "Homo Modernus Smartphonus" circa 2021 couldn't even build a single smartphone if they had 20 "lifeline" calls (think: gameshow) and a budget of 100 million dollars.

    Heck, the typical young person circa 2021 can't even produce his own food, much less work any scientific wonders.

    As further evidence for my assertion, just look at ancient languages being more complex than recent ones. And people relied on their memories rather than Google. No, we are devolving if anything, not evolving onward and upward, into a new life form.

    Just read a book or newspaper from 1880, and then one from 2020, if you don't believe me.
    We were discussing that the other day. My late grandmom’s 8th grade education surpassed my 1980’s High school education. My peers were far immature too and still are to this day. The worse ones are the ones who went Catholic school.   Our town was mostly Catholic too.  But my peers are now mostly pagans and atheists.  The ones who are witches and sodomites went to Catholic school.  
    May God bless you and keep you