JP2 actually at one point called it "more than a theory".  

This was one of the many harmful things done by Pius XII ... adding to his condoning of NFP (leading to this Catholic Birth Control phenomenon), his experimentations with the Liturgy, and his early Ecuмenical gatherings.  And, oh yes, let us not forget that he appointed, during his lengthy reign, nearly every bishop that would eventually bring us the glories of Vatican II.  Heck, even Roncalli threw Bugnini out of the Vatican.

What ecuмenical gatherings did Pius XII engage in?

I hadn't heard this

We are in a post truth age now.  There is very little mileage in arguing with people who want to believe in evolution.  It is a complete waste of time.  As Bishop Williamson once said their minds are mush.  Well today they are complete mush.  There is no honesty or intellect or respect for the natural law.

They will take the scant "evidence" and use it to support their belief that evolution is a proven fact.

There is tons of direct evidence the election was stolen.  They simply don't care to look at it.  They see no reason to be just or share power.  Democracy is mere annoyance for them now they have power again, and in fact a deadly threat as they can see how another Trump could be elected and deny them their free abortions and contraceptive pills.

These people have no moral principles.  The claim "black lives matter" as a way of pretending to support minority groups, but if those minorities turned against them they would exterminate black people and Mexicans by the millions.  We know that because the democratic party turned on the white American working classes that supported it for years.

Keep stacking the beans and wait for God to act.

It's such tripe that people believe Darwin said 'survival of the fittest' yet he never said it.
He referred to the genetic adaptation of traits, not some type of modern evolution.
He referred to things like skin color, or natural traits being passed along from the best adapted.
He was quite far removed from what they make him out to be, and I think he would laugh at them as much as we do

I think you just hit on something CC ?

That Darwin’s statements were amplified and altered by the tribe.

Darwin’s autobiography is good place to start for understanding him.  He was clearly an atheist.

But Marx, the satanist jew, saw Darwin’s “science” as an opportunity to reinforce his commie manifesto.

Surely, the judaic propaganda machine of the day, embellished his works and commentary.

Enjoyed this discussion very much. There is however a far more serious aspect to the story. First though here is one of my favourate arguments against evolution:



And as we know, no billions of fossils were found.

But to the more serious aspect of evolution. Did you know Charles Darwin's book On the Origins of Species was never put on the Index? This was because of Galileo's reformation. In 1796 Laplace had proposed the evolution of their solar-system. In 1820, when popes allowed books promoting Galileo's heliocentrism to be taken OFF the Index, it came loaded as having evolved. Now as evolution needs MIRACLES to work, it was necessary to get God involved. Having believed the Church was wrong about geocentrism, by 1820 promenant churchmen were so humiliated that they decided never again to rule against a natural theory lest they be found wrong and HUMILIATED once again. This of course meant the churchmen of the Catholic Chuirch provided all the miracles for evolution to happen. Its called Theistic-evolution. Thus with atheists and theists now as one on evolution, evolution SUCCEEDED. Both now had their champions, and here was the Catholic one.

‘When Darwin’s Origin of Species was published in 1859, it came as no surprise to Henry Newman. His idea of history, with change and development implicit in it, enabled him to comprehend Darwin’s claims, which shocked so many well-educated men whose minds were dominated by a static view of history. They believed in a literal exposition of the Book of Genesis. Newman’s view of history was dynamic and he found no difficulty in reconciling his views to Darwin’s.' ---Brian Martin: J. H. Newman, His Life and Work, Challo & Windus, London, 1982, p.76.

Newman is called 'a pioneerr and prophet of Vatican II' for which he was made a saint.

Man's Evolution continued:

As regards the history of human society, here again it cannot be found wanting. It tells us man was monotheistic, intelligent and civilised from the very beginning. After the Fall and again after the Deluge, many did lapse into primitive ways, seeking out any environment that could sustain them, whether village, jungle, desert, cave or mud-hut, such as can be found even today. Nevertheless, because man is an ordered, intellectual and social creature, records were prone to be kept, both oral and written. It is reasonable to say then that if the Bible records a real 6-7,000 year’s history, surely this past should be evident in the traditions of some people, whether primitive or sophisticated. As it happens, this is the case. There is not a single culture discovered that had/has not a perfect language and a history of the world that begins with the biblical account, an original couple of Adam and Eve and a cataclysm. For example, consider the following studies:

(1) An investigation into Chinese palaeography called God’s Promise to the Chinese.[1] In a summary of this book, the reviewer states:  

‘The three joint-authors have clearly demonstrated, to this reviewer’s satisfaction at least, that the inventor of the original Chinese characters, which were inscribed on tortoise shells and bones, knew and believed in an identical account of creation and Earth’s beginnings to that found in Moses’ Book of Genesis….The Chinese have always revered their writing system. Calligraphy ranks supreme in their artistic scale of values… Just 142 of the earliest hieroglyphic pictograms contain, in a highly condensed (and therefore mentally portable and ineradicable form) key components of the Book of Genesis. Since the truth or otherwise of the Flood has profound implications for the study of geology, in the Book of Docuмents (Sha Ching), written 3,000 years ago, we read: “The flood waters were everywhere, destroying everything as they rose above the hills and swelled up to Heaven.” ’[2]

The authors go on to show how the earliest Chinese were monotheists who worshiped ShangDi or the ‘God Above.’ For more than 4,000 years they sacrificed to Him in the imperial city of Beijing in what was called the ‘Border Sacrifice.’ Confucius (551-479BC) thought this sacrifice so important that he compared an understanding of it to the efficient ruling of the Chinese empire. The Border Sacrifice ended with the Manchu Ch’ing dynasty in 1911. Watch this video and you will see that the Chinese language is based on Genesis.

(2) In his book After the Flood,[4] a 25-year study into Middle Eastern/European palaeography, Bill Cooper traces the early post-Deluge history of the Middle East and Europe. His task was to see if the ‘Table of Nations’ (Genesis Chapter 10 and 11) could be verified in the history of nations prior to Christianity. If he could find a lineage from the Japhetic line in these histories, it would confirm the Bible also recorded true history. Cooper found ample evidence in eastern and western archives to confirm Middle East and European lines are both descended from the Japhetic tree. In Britain, Wales and Ireland he found the records of the early settlers went back 2,000 years, with the same genealogy to European differing only in language. What amazed Cooper was that the records of this history were so easy to find and so evident that he concluded its absence from textbooks, schools and universities had to be a deliberate cօռspιʀαcʏ by the earthmoving evolutionists to uphold their version of things. (taken from the book The Earthmovers)

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[1] E. Nelson, R. Broadberry and G. Chock: God’s Promise to the Chinese, Read Books, HCR 65 Box 580, Dunlap, TN 37327, USA, 1997.

[2] Tim Williams: Christian Order, November 2001, pp.629, 631.

[4] Bill Cooper: After the Flood, New Wine Press, 22 Arun Business Park, Bognor Regis, West Sussex, PO22 9SX, England, 1995.

What is the source of all this?

I've often stated this as well. But even better.........


Why are there still monkeys today that are not "evolving" into humans? Even partially?

If evolution is a measurable biological force, then it should be reproducible in the lab. via the scientific method.

The perfect animal test vehicle to demonstrate evolution would be the insect family drosophila or fruit fly.

Evolutionary theory claims genetic changes occur over many generations.  

It would be possible to breed billions of generations of fruit flies in a very controlled environment where genetic evolutionary changes could be examined.

Any biologist worth his salt knows this and would admit that it could be done, if evolution were true.

I've often stated this as well. But even better.........


Why are there still monkeys today that are not "evolving" into humans? Even partially?

Because monkeys aren't supposed to be unevolved humans. They're modern animals of their own. I don't believe in evolution myself, but any evolutionist would dismiss you off-hand if you made an argument like that.

It's such tripe that people believe Darwin said 'survival of the fittest' yet he never said it.
He referred to the genetic adaptation of traits, not some type of modern evolution.
He referred to things like skin color, or natural traits being passed along from the best adapted.
He was quite far removed from what they make him out to be, and I think he would laugh at them as much as we do

Moreover, much of Darwin and other early evolutionists' theories were dismantled by the discovery of genetics, by a Catholic monk, no less. In the last century they've gone to great lengths to reconcile genetics with evolution, but any serious and honest look at it shows the former disproves the latter totally. Macro-evolution simply cannot occur, not in any timespan allowed for even by the billions of years old universe atheists suppose, and genetic code clearly proves that life had a "coder", so to speak.