Author Topic: I made a docuмentary (Read 4359 times)

Caminus · « **Reply #30 on:** April 16, 2011, 01:21:29 PM »

Behold the fruit.

stevusmagnus · « **Reply #31 on:** April 16, 2011, 01:30:05 PM »

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The United States Federal Bureau of Investigation allegedly also claimed that Siri had indeed been elected on the third ballot on October 26, 1958.[1] This is found, complete with FBI docuмent reference, in the book The Vatican Exposed: Money, Murder, and the Mafia by Paul L. Williams on pages 90–92. The docuмent Williams referred to, allegedly declassified, can no longer be found. Williams, since questioned by interested readers, has adamantly refused to comment on why he included the alleged docuмent and reference number in his book, or why the docuмent can no longer be viewed.

MyrnaM · « **Reply #32 on:** April 16, 2011, 01:30:41 PM »

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Here is an excellent source on Roncalli John 23 from Father dr Luigi Villa:

Article

http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylt=AoJmSjrya1v.Kst8SKLCjspeDNEF;_ylv=0/SIG=125fhm18v/SIG=12keq1im5/EXP=1302978864/**http%3A//www.novusordowatch.org/resources/John-XXIII-Beatified.pdf

Anyone clicking the above link, don't miss this part:

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REALITY, POPE JOHN XXIII?
Now, one cannot ignore, here, the alleged initiation of monsignor Roncalli to the secret Masonic society
of the “ Rose Cross” , initiation that would have taken place during his stay in Turkey. As regards such initiation,
all we have is the written text of Pier Carpi, a “ mason” (2) also known for his biography of
Cagliostro (Meb publishers) and for an inquiry on the Merchants of the occult (Armenia
publishers). Author of those “ Prophecies of Pope John” , Pier Carpi maintains that, in 1935, while
Apostolic Delegate in Turkey, Roncalli was initiated to a secret Society, which he abstains from
naming, but whose initiation ceremony he describes (p. 53 and subsequent), which appears of the
Templarist Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ rite, such as that studied by Le Forestier. During the ceremony, Roncalli
took on the name of Johannes, the same he would take on as a Pontiff. The source used by Pier
Carpi was an aged member of the Rosa Cross (p. 35). In his aforementioned book, he also reports
about a session Roncalli attended, a few weeks following his initiation, at a temple of the Order.
There are, however, also other more serious arguments corroborating a real collusion between Roncalli
and Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ, as we will see.
The Grand Master of the Grand Orient of Italy, Virgilio Gaito, in two interviews given to the
reporter of “ L’ Italia Settimanale” and to that of “ Trenta Giorni” , the monthly of the
“ Comunione e Liberazione” association, to the question: “ Do you know if there are any priests
in the lodges of the Grand Orient; the buzz has it that some cardinal had been a brother… ”
he replied, “ Probably. I have no information of this fact. They say John XXIII was initiated
to Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ when he was a Nuncio in Paris. (read more on the above link)

stevusmagnus · « **Reply #33 on:** April 16, 2011, 01:34:03 PM »

Why is Siri not even listed as getting votes at all in the '58 conclave?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1958_conclave

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #34 on:** April 16, 2011, 06:05:02 PM »

Because there is no such thing as a conspiracy...

Thursday · « **Reply #35 on:** April 16, 2011, 06:06:14 PM »

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Yes, a five minute unambiguous signal of white smoke. This signal is never released unless the pope has accepted the office and chosen his name.

Thus you have a five to ten minute timeframe in which the Pope was elected and then immediately renounced it under duress. That is a highly improbable scenario bordering on ridiculous.

How long does it take to threaten someone?

I don't know how your getting your ten minute scenario, from the white smoke to the pope appearing on the balcony usually takes twenty minutes. What we know is that there was a signal and that the pope never appeared.

Regardless the argument is not based on one item alone. I make all the arguments in the videos. Your free to disagree if you like.

Thursday · « **Reply #36 on:** April 16, 2011, 08:02:58 PM »

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Yes, a five minute unambiguous signal of white smoke. This signal is never released unless the pope has accepted the office and chosen his name.

Thus you have a five to ten minute timeframe in which the Pope was elected and then immediately renounced it under duress. That is a highly improbable scenario bordering on ridiculous.

And I will add this.

"Fr. Charles-Roux claimed that Joseph Cardinal Siri of Genoa had been elected and also accepted the Papal office, but was then immediately shoved aside, without his actually abdicating. According to Fr. Charles-Roux, a very serious threat was delivered to Siri and the assembled Cardinals through Cardinal Tisserant, the Dean of the Sacred College of Cardinals, shortly after the acceptance of office by the new Pope. Conclave ministers had already begun to burn the ballots with dry straw in the Sistine Chapel stove, sending up white smoke to announce the election of the Pope. Even as the thunderous cheers of the crowd outside could be heard by those inside the conclave, a group of cardinals in league with Tisserant commanded the ministers to change the mixture in the stove to wet straw in order to produce black smoke. When the conclave officials refused the order to send out a false signal that would indicate no electoral results, a group of Cardinals brushed the monsignors aside and began to dump wet straw into the stove. Thereafter, a �shoving match� ensued over control of the stove, and the alternating mixtures of dry and wet straw that were being put into it, caused the smoke to vary from white, to black, to white again, and finally to gray, he said."

lefebvre_fan · « **Reply #37 on:** April 16, 2011, 10:09:27 PM »

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Are you Catholic?

Are you 12? I think you'll find the kids section at the bottom of the front page.

lefebvre_fan · « **Reply #38 on:** April 16, 2011, 10:25:44 PM »

I guess in the end we may never know what truly happened, at least not until the Vatican is purged of modernists at some point in the future. Still, I think for my part I'll stick with what I would consider to be the safer opinion, which is that the man universally recognized as the pope is indeed the pope, and that we should pray for him as such, as a child prays for his father.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #39 on:** April 17, 2011, 08:51:01 AM »

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Why is Siri not even listed as getting votes at all in the '58 conclave?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1958_conclave

On Father Greeley's authority?

stevusmagnus · « **Reply #40 on:** April 17, 2011, 08:57:20 AM »

Quote from: Thursday

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Yes, a five minute unambiguous signal of white smoke. This signal is never released unless the pope has accepted the office and chosen his name.

Thus you have a five to ten minute timeframe in which the Pope was elected and then immediately renounced it under duress. That is a highly improbable scenario bordering on ridiculous.

How long does it take to threaten someone?

I don't know how your getting your ten minute scenario, from the white smoke to the pope appearing on the balcony usually takes twenty minutes. What we know is that there was a signal and that the pope never appeared.

Regardless the argument is not based on one item alone. I make all the arguments in the videos. Your free to disagree if you like.

And this apparent white smoke couldn't POSSIBLY have another more simple and rational explanation?

If so, it seems the whole theory fails.

stevusmagnus · « **Reply #41 on:** April 17, 2011, 09:05:25 AM »

Siri celebrated the Novus Ordo!!

Caminus · « **Reply #42 on:** April 17, 2011, 06:28:03 PM »

Quote from: Thursday

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Yes, a five minute unambiguous signal of white smoke. This signal is never released unless the pope has accepted the office and chosen his name.

Thus you have a five to ten minute timeframe in which the Pope was elected and then immediately renounced it under duress. That is a highly improbable scenario bordering on ridiculous.

And I will add this.

"Fr. Charles-Roux claimed that Joseph Cardinal Siri of Genoa had been elected and also accepted the Papal office, but was then immediately shoved aside, without his actually abdicating. According to Fr. Charles-Roux, a very serious threat was delivered to Siri and the assembled Cardinals through Cardinal Tisserant, the Dean of the Sacred College of Cardinals, shortly after the acceptance of office by the new Pope. Conclave ministers had already begun to burn the ballots with dry straw in the Sistine Chapel stove, sending up white smoke to announce the election of the Pope. Even as the thunderous cheers of the crowd outside could be heard by those inside the conclave, a group of cardinals in league with Tisserant commanded the ministers to change the mixture in the stove to wet straw in order to produce black smoke. When the conclave officials refused the order to send out a false signal that would indicate no electoral results, a group of Cardinals brushed the monsignors aside and began to dump wet straw into the stove. Thereafter, a �shoving match� ensued over control of the stove, and the alternating mixtures of dry and wet straw that were being put into it, caused the smoke to vary from white, to black, to white again, and finally to gray, he said."

That's an interesting story, but what am I supposed to do with it? I could quote something else from the internet that negates it. BTW, is this priest still alive?

Raoul76 · « **Reply #43 on:** April 17, 2011, 07:12:22 PM »

Have to agree with Caminus here.

I like to say it because it's so rare when I'm able to.

But the Siri thesis is based entirely on circuмstantial evidence. Moreover, if he was elected Pope, he is now an anti-Pope, unless he can produce his true Magisterium to counter the false one of Vatican II. Yet we know he was a Vatican II cardinal.

The other question, the one that always gets ignored -- who is his successor and how was he appointed if Cardinal Siri was under constant surveillance?

Like sedeprivationism, the Siri thesis is a harmless way for people to square not having had a Pope for fifty years with their own consciences. For many it's very scary. Not for me, because I believe the Apocalypse clearly refers to this event.

When I say "harmless" I mean for everyone else but David Hobson. He is the only one I know of who seems to think acceptance of Siri as Pope is mandatory for salvation.

The whole thing with the smoke strikes me as smoke and mirrors ( get it? ) It reminds me of Windswept House, Malachi Martin sensationalism, or maybe the staged rescue of Jessica Lynch. A true Pope was elected, then they strongarmed him and within ten minutes sent out more smoke.

I'm sorry, these people are not that clumsy. The smoke may have sent out as a kind of "revelation of the method." The official story of 9/11 was meant to look staged, the official story was intended to sound phony. That is sort of how the devil operates these days -- he shows you he is behind certain events, knowing that people will deny it and thus they will become double-minded and will go into denial. It's a form of psychological trauma he enjoys inflicting on people.

Most people, just to get on with their lives, do not want to acknowledge the existence of such evil, but by not acknowledging it, they become more or less a part of it... Sorry if I'm getting too abstruse. But the smoke from the elections in 1958 and 1963 works according to the same principle, it's a sign that something is wrong, that the devil knows most people will ignore, thus becoming slightly more complicit in his plot.

PartyIsOver221 · « **Reply #44 on:** April 17, 2011, 07:17:43 PM »

What I don't get is how Siri kept getting put on the voting block each papal election? And then losing over and over? I understand the theory goes his life and "large family" were threatened...but why would he remain in this fake church and fake Vatican if this were true?

Anyone know what I'm talking about?

Can I keep talking in sentences that end in question marks?

Yes I can?