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Darwinian values and 'survival of the fittest' in society?
« on: January 04, 2018, 10:05:29 PM »
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    • Something that is majorly wrong is Darwinian values and the notion 'survival of the fittest'. The belief that only the 'strongest' and not the most virtuous should thrive in society, and to try take our focus off God onto materialism instead. How do we defeat this?

    These beliefs seem to stem from Nietzsche and Charles Darwin mainly as well as Herbert Spencer.

    In the past during Christendom the idea was that everybody, strong or weak had a role to play in society. While the King or Lord gave everyone accommodation, access to land for them to work on and protection from danger. The Church looked after and took care of the sick who could not afford to pay a doctor or the desolate.

    Classes existed as the opposite of this type of society we have today, everybody is given access to the amount of material resources just enough to be necessary in carrying out your role as a peasant, knight, noble, priest/monk or royalty? People who wanted to dedicate their life to living for God found ease in doing so.

    Even now discoveries have been made that the peasants of Christendom actually had it better than us, some were literally even better off in wealth than us. They had 80 holidays per year compared to just a few which was when protestant reformation and the end of it started. They worked during the summer or spring and waited for harvest, they were far more relaxed. Look at how far our society has slandered Feudalism, always blabbering about how 'horrible' it is?
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    Re: Darwinian values and 'survival of the fittest' in society?
    « Reply #1 on: January 11, 2018, 06:07:06 PM »
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    • Quote from: ProtectorofOrder on January 04, 2018, 10:05:29 PM
    Something that is majorly wrong is Darwinian values and the notion 'survival of the fittest'. The belief that only the 'strongest' and not the most virtuous should thrive in society, and to try take our focus off God onto materialism instead. How do we defeat this?

    These beliefs seem to stem from Nietzsche and Charles Darwin mainly as well as Herbert Spencer.

    In the past during Christendom the idea was that everybody, strong or weak had a role to play in society. While the King or Lord gave everyone accommodation, access to land for them to work on and protection from danger. The Church looked after and took care of the sick who could not afford to pay a doctor or the desolate.

    Classes existed as the opposite of this type of society we have today, everybody is given access to the amount of material resources just enough to be necessary in carrying out your role as a peasant, knight, noble, priest/monk or royalty? People who wanted to dedicate their life to living for God found ease in doing so.

    Even now discoveries have been made that the peasants of Christendom actually had it better than us, some were literally even better off in wealth than us. They had 80 holidays per year compared to just a few which was when protestant reformation and the end of it started. They worked during the summer or spring and waited for harvest, they were far more relaxed. Look at how far our society has slandered Feudalism, always blabbering about how 'horrible' it is?
    Being a wage slave is not fun!  I wish I worked for myself at home, like this Homesteader guy does.  His family lives on like 15 thousand dollars a year, that he earns from his art.  

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    Re: Darwinian values and 'survival of the fittest' in society?
    « Reply #2 on: January 11, 2018, 06:14:21 PM »
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    • Quote from: ProtectorofOrder on January 04, 2018, 10:05:29 PM
    Something that is majorly wrong is Darwinian values and the notion 'survival of the fittest'. The belief that only the 'strongest' and not the most virtuous should thrive in society, and to try take our focus off God onto materialism instead. How do we defeat this?

    These beliefs seem to stem from Nietzsche and Charles Darwin mainly as well as Herbert Spencer.

    In the past during Christendom the idea was that everybody, strong or weak had a role to play in society. While the King or Lord gave everyone accommodation, access to land for them to work on and protection from danger. The Church looked after and took care of the sick who could not afford to pay a doctor or the desolate.

    Classes existed as the opposite of this type of society we have today, everybody is given access to the amount of material resources just enough to be necessary in carrying out your role as a peasant, knight, noble, priest/monk or royalty? People who wanted to dedicate their life to living for God found ease in doing so.

    Even now discoveries have been made that the peasants of Christendom actually had it better than us, some were literally even better off in wealth than us. They had 80 holidays per year compared to just a few which was when protestant reformation and the end of it started. They worked during the summer or spring and waited for harvest, they were far more relaxed. Look at how far our society has slandered Feudalism, always blabbering about how 'horrible' it is?
    That is the culture we live in today:  only the strong matter;  the weak are trash.  I think that's why I hate the phrase, "White Trash."  

    I hate our culture.  It's easy for me to get distracted from God by that and kind of make an idol out of it.  I have to watch that, especially when I'm working a lot.  I guess that's why I wish I lived on a homestead and could just work for myself at home.  It would save me that temptation and the misery of just being in our culture;  on the homestead you can make your own culture.  
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    « Reply #3 on: January 18, 2018, 01:38:12 AM »
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    • Ironic as it may seem, I believe in survival of the fittest even though i am diagnosed with disability.
    You see, I do not think that I ought to obey the implications of the diagnosis which says i cannot provide for myself.
    I sort of resent the dismissal of all my potential through the power of an abstraction which does not reflect physical reality.
    I think white countries are living under the tyranny of the abstract and that too many abstractions are detaching us from our wild side and from natural law. We are living in artificial society in an illusion and denying natural law.
    Part of it comes from the detachment from nature advocated by christianity and the subordination of natural needs to spiritual needs, which then paved the way for a modern society detached from nature totally.
    I think we are a dishonor to our ancestors and that modern people are pathetic and excessively tame.
    As far as It relates to me, i suppressed my own will with an ideology of mortification which harmed me physically as it was obviously going to do. Therefore i have a new ideology, following the rule of natural law, and i glory in being spontaneous and imprudent and wild and free in my own behavior. I see no reason to submit to abstractions.
    If this was 1000 years ago id have no problem. But now everyone conforms to one system or another which at its foundations is based on the momentum of a delusion or individuals or false principles.
    I dont see morality as a total non sequitar, but it is a means to an end, or proliferating the species, and if morality prevents people from doing that, then life is spent in the service of an abstraction and it is toxic because it leads to the end of genetic lineage which took thousands of years to get to now.
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    Re: Darwinian values and 'survival of the fittest' in society?
    « Reply #4 on: January 18, 2018, 10:42:32 AM »
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    • Quote from: victim of the sspx on January 18, 2018, 01:38:12 AM

    I think white countries are living under the tyranny of the abstract and that too many abstractions are detaching us from our wild side and from natural law. We are living in artificial society in an illusion and denying natural law.
    Part of it comes from the detachment from nature advocated by christianity and the subordination of natural needs to spiritual needs, which then paved the way for a modern society detached from nature totally.
    I think we are a dishonor to our ancestors and that modern people are pathetic and excessively tame.

    Sounds like you're a pagan. "Detachment from nature advocated by Christianity and subordination of natural needs to spiritual needs..."

    Would you really want to go back to the pagan days of Ireland? From the account of the life of St. Patrick, those days weren't good at all. Slavery was rampant in Ireland, as I'm sure you know. 
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    Re: Darwinian values and 'survival of the fittest' in society?
    « Reply #5 on: January 18, 2018, 11:15:16 AM »
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    • I would preferred going back to a quieter time, but I'm under no Illusions about how tough life was back in the Middle Ages.
    The eighty holidays were most likely used for rest from life's everyday grueling demands.
    Can you imagine the the joy of waking up in such a beautiful place like medieval Europe. You get up grab a nice cup of coffee open the refrigerator to start preparing your breakfast on your stove. Then go on a stroll to the local Vineyard to have a drink at the street cafe.
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    « Reply #6 on: January 18, 2018, 10:01:37 PM »
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    • Quote from: insidebaseball on January 18, 2018, 11:15:16 AM
    I would preferred going back to a quieter time, but I'm under no Illusions about how tough life was back in the Middle Ages.
    The eighty holidays were most likely used for rest from life's everyday grueling demands.
    Can you imagine the the joy of waking up in such a beautiful place like medieval Europe. You get up grab a nice cup of coffee open the refrigerator to start preparing your breakfast on your stove. Then go on a stroll to the local Vineyard to have a drink at the street cafe.
    Actually many so-called notions of the Middle Ages like ‘no hygiene’, ‘being stupid’ or the torture devices(half have been found to not even exist under Christendom) have been debunked by serious historians. Most scholars knew the earth was round and women did not have 0 rights btw. Also things like the iron maiden of Nuremberg were found to be a fake(made in the early modern times), and story most likely made up too.
    The state today is also far more repressive than the lords under Christendom ever were. Some peasants it was found under Christendom were even more wealthy than after the Protestant reformation or secularism.
    All land in the wild is owned by this one powerful entity, and people can’t use it anymore as they please which was when they did in a distributist economy.
    People under Christendom were actually more tame than modern secular people or protestants. Those horrible images about them if anything created in imagination shows more about people in society today’s nature themselves rather than our ancestors.
    The notion of chivalry in those times taught by the church and monarchs were the opposite against Satanic Darwinian principles.
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    Re: Darwinian values and 'survival of the fittest' in society?
    « Reply #7 on: January 19, 2018, 04:55:31 AM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on January 18, 2018, 10:42:32 AM
    Sounds like you're a pagan. "Detachment from nature advocated by Christianity and subordination of natural needs to spiritual needs..."

    Would you really want to go back to the pagan days of Ireland? From the account of the life of St. Patrick, those days weren't good at all. Slavery was rampant in Ireland, as I'm sure you know.
    It can also be said that when these types say ‘nature’ its more or so a codeword for Satan? They talk about it often like a kind of ‘powerful force’ that has dominion when they speak, similar to a ‘deity’.
    The devil wants mankind to focus on the material first, competing/squabbling, selfish interests and turn their backs on God/Jesus. It’s said by some people that Satan has dominion over much of the material world?
    Some legimitate Satanists themselves(the ones who believe in and worship him) see him as the ‘true god’ incharge of nature and the demons as ‘slandered forces of nature’.
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    « Reply #8 on: January 19, 2018, 10:47:49 PM »
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    • Quote from: insidebaseball on January 18, 2018, 11:15:16 AM
    I would preferred going back to a quieter time, but I'm under no Illusions about how tough life was back in the Middle Ages.
    The eighty holidays were most likely used for rest from life's everyday grueling demands.
    Can you imagine the the joy of waking up in such a beautiful place like medieval Europe. You get up grab a nice cup of coffee open the refrigerator to start preparing your breakfast on your stove. Then go on a stroll to the local Vineyard to have a drink at the street cafe.
    Get up, throw a few logs on the fire, heat some water over the fire, while you grab a gallon or two of milk from your cow, drink what you want and make cheese and butter out of the rest.   :farmer:
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    Re: Darwinian values and 'survival of the fittest' in society?
    « Reply #9 on: January 19, 2018, 10:51:58 PM »
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    • Quote from: Tiberius on January 19, 2018, 10:47:49 PM
    Get up, throw a few logs on the fire, heat some water over the fire, while you grab a gallon or two of milk from your cow, drink what you want and make cheese and butter out of the rest.   :farmer:
    Don't forget to grab a few eggs from the chickens or whatever foul you prefer to breed and you may as well get some of that cured meat left over from the last pig you slaughtered and have a little breakfast "bacon," with your home baked bread and fresh butter    :popcorn:
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    • Quote from: ProtectorofOrder on January 19, 2018, 04:55:31 AM
    It can also be said that when these types say ‘nature’ its more or so a codeword for Satan? They talk about it often like a kind of ‘powerful force’ that has dominion when they speak, similar to a ‘deity’.
    The devil wants mankind to focus on the material first, competing/squabbling, selfish interests and turn their backs on God/Jesus. It’s said by some people that Satan has dominion over much of the material world?
    Some legimitate Satanists themselves(the ones who believe in and worship him) see him as the ‘true god’ incharge of nature and the demons as ‘slandered forces of nature’.
    That is the paradox of Christianity.
    It wants to make mankind anew, molded in the image of Jesus.
    Therefore it denies its own foundations in nature, amplifying some abilities and suppressing others.
    Yet Christians remain part of the animal kingdom, and their religion is at odds with their own being.
    To be a successful Christian who never sins, you would need a perspective of a spiritual non material being.
    Yet christians in life will never accomplish such a transcendental perspective. They will only "Taste" of it at most.
    God will be ever Elusive, as will Peace, as will contentment.
    Anyone who says they reached transcendence is mistaken. It is impossible while you are still flesh.
    You still have the bias and vested interest of a primitive animal.
    You have the ability to abstract think, due to 3 parts of the brain dedicated to abstract reasoning, and from these come prayers and meditation. But the entirety of the rest of you is devoted to your urges and desires.
    Even when you pray you are "Asking" for things you desire, thus revealing you are a primitive animal.
    An animal who fools themselves into thinking they are spiritual, but they only taste of spirituality.
    They know it exists as a concept, but they can never personify it.
    Try as they will to wrap their minds around perfection, it will always elude them.
    They are trying to put a camel through a needle head.
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    Re: Darwinian values and 'survival of the fittest' in society?
    « Reply #11 on: January 20, 2018, 03:56:28 AM »
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    • The 'theory of evolution' is a lie and even today there is no complete proof to have it pass as a 'law', the '3 parts of brain' were god given in themselves.

    'Nature' when used in the context by materialists/pagans is a false god along with all the other 'forces' which are actually demons, they do not have spiritual sovereignty over Jesus who came to dismiss its authority over those under God. There is only one true God. Humans are humans, animals are animals as willed by God himself.

    When Christ returns God will destroy this being you call 'nature' in fire and erase it from being, which we refer to as Satan and the Devil who has momentarily been given governance over the Earth in the beginning which ceased over God's people when Christ came. The only authority that will remain by then will be God himself.

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    « Reply #12 on: January 20, 2018, 03:57:47 AM »
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    • We all know what your viewpoint is trying to say, that 'God/Light is weak, unwilling to protect mankind' and 'Satan('Nature') is the true god'.
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