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Re: Human mind EXTREMELY unreliable
« Reply #15 on: September 22, 2023, 04:19:20 PM »
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  • Capital A, Ladislaus, really?

    I must have missed the satanic prodigies he publicly worked -- or the part where he gave himself out in the Temple to be worshipped with the worship of latria (reserved for God alone).

    I said AN Antichrist, not THE Antichrist.  If you notice, I capitalized Antipopes too.  I view that as a designation or title, a proper noun, rather than a common noun.

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    He's more of an Antichrist than an Antipope.  Traditional Antipopes were generally just Catholics

    See, an Antipope is just someone who's not the legit pope, for whatever reason, bad election, simony, whatever.  But that's too mild for what Bergoglio is doing.  He's actively trying to destroy Tradition, and that makes him AN Antichrist, vs. these other guys who just wanted the office for their personal glory, power, and (sometimes) enrichment.

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    Re: Human mind EXTREMELY unreliable
    « Reply #16 on: September 22, 2023, 04:27:53 PM »
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  • David Bawden was an Antipope, so was Pius XIII Pulvermacher.  Both of them, however, were generally orthodox Traditional Catholics, and so not Antichrists.


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    « Reply #17 on: September 22, 2023, 04:40:39 PM »
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  • The False Prophet and the man called "the Antichrist" is the same person.


    History of Antichrist

    Rev. P. Huchede

    Tan Books


    https://archive.org/details/HuchedeHistoryAntiChristBESTVERSION/page/n21/mode/2up


    Pages 23 to 25



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    2. His Apostles

    In order to propagate his religion, he will send out missionaries to all parts of the world, as Our Saviour sent His Apostles to preach His doctrine. Among the false prophets, there will most probably be one more illustrious than the others, as St. Ambrose remarks, (in Apoc.). St. John describes him as follows: “And I saw another beast coming up out of the earth, and he had two horns, like a lamb, and he spoke as a dragon.” (Apoc. 13:11). And in another passage he seems to point out three different persons: “And I saw from the mouth of the dragon, and from the mouth of the beast, and from the mouth of the false prophet,three unclean spirits like frogs.” [Apoc. 16:13).

    The dragon, the beast, and the false prophet signify Satan, Antichrist, and the principal apostle of Antichrist. These three different beings command all the other demons. In the work of our redemption, the three divine persons of the adorable Trinity manifested themselves. The Son adores the Father; the Holy Ghost gives glory to the Son. And we see that in the mystery of iniquity Antichrist adores Satan and the false prophet glorifies Antichrist.

    Hence we have every reason to show that this false prophet will be an individual person and not a collective term to designate the universality of preachers engaged in the service of Antichrist. We can even assert that he will not be a king, nor a general of an army, but a clever apostate, fallen from the episcopal dignity. From being an apostle of the Gospel he will become the first preacher of the false messiah.

    These conjectures are not devoid of much plausibility. (Acosta, Book 2, Ch.16). Antichrist will communicate his power of working miracles to others, who will go into different countries and cities to gain new proselytes by all the human and diabolical means in their power. (Acosta, 2, 16). It is thus that the words of Our Lord will be fulfilled. “For there shall rise up false Christs and false prophets, and they shall show signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, event the elect. Take ye heed, therefore. Behold I have foretold you all things.” (Mk. 13:22-23). “And then if any man shall say to you: Lo, here is Christ; lo, he is here, do not believe ... he is in the desert, go ye not out.” (Mat. 24:23-26). Benighted apostles who will indeed turn away from truth! (2 Tim. 4:4). They blaspheme the majesty of God and despise all true authority. “Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their confusion, wandering stars to whom the storm of darkness is reserved forever.” (Jude 1:13). “Fountains without water and clouds tossed with whirlwinds, to whom the midst of darkness is reserved.” (2 Pet. 2:17).

    Antichrist will furthermore make all men, great and small, rich and poor, freemen and bondmen, bear a sign on their right arm or on their forehead. (Apoc. 13:16). What this sign shall be time alone will reveal. Yet there are some commentators of Holy Writ, who, according to a special revelation, pretend to say that it shall be formed out of the Greek letters X and P,* interlaced like this figure which resembles the number of Christ. (Cornelius a Lapide in Epis. 2 to Thes.)

    No one can either buy or sell without this mark, as distinctly specified in the Apocalypse (13:17). And that no man might buy or sell but he that had the character or the name of the beast or the number of his name.” None but adorers of this new god can enjoy the possession of riches or honors. This god shall increase their glory and shall give them power over many and shall divide the land for nothing. (Apoc. 13:7).



    Against Heresies

    Book V, Chapter 28

    St. Irenaeus

    https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103528.htm


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    2. And for this reason the apostle says: "Because they received not the love of God, that they might be saved, therefore God shall also send them the operation of error, that they may believe a lie, that they all may be judged who have not believed the truth, but consented to unrighteousness." 2 Thessalonians 2:10-12 For when he (Antichrist) has come, and of his own accord concentrates in his own person the apostasy, and accomplishes whatever he shall do according to his own will and choice, sitting also in the temple of God, so that his dupes may adore him as the Christ; wherefore also shall he deservedly "be cast into the lake of fire:" Revelation 19:20 [this will happen according to divine appointment], God by His prescience foreseeing all this, and at the proper time sending such a man, "that they may believe a lie, that they all may be judged who did not believe the truth, but consented to unrighteousness;" whose coming John has thus described in the Apocalypse: "And the beast which I had seen was like a leopard, and his feet as of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion; and the dragon conferred his own power upon him, and his throne, and great might. And one of his heads was as it were slain unto death; and his deadly wound was healed, and all the world wondered after the beast. And they worshipped the dragon because he gave power to the beast; and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like this beast, and who is able to make war with him? And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things, and blasphemy and power was given to him during forty and two months. And he opened his mouth for blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name and His tabernacle, and those who dwell in heaven. And power was given him over every tribe, and people, and tongue, and nation. And all who dwell upon the earth worshipped him, [every one] whose name was not written in the book of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. If any one have ears, let him hear. If any one shall lead into captivity, he shall go into captivity. If any shall slay with the sword, he must be slain with the sword. Here is the endurance and the faith of the saints." Revelation 13:2, etc.

    After this he likewise describes his armour-bearer, whom he also terms a false prophet: "He spoke as a dragon, and exercised all the power of the first beast in his sight, and caused the earth, and those that dwell therein, to adore the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. And he shall perform great wonders, so that he can even cause fire to descend from heaven upon the earth in the sight of men, and he shall lead the inhabitants of the earth astray." Revelation 13:11, etc. Let no one imagine that he performs these wonders by divine power, but by the working of magic. And we must not be surprised if, since the demons and apostate spirits are at his service, he through their means performs wonders, by which he leads the inhabitants of the earth astray. John says further: "And he shall order an image of the beast to be made, and he shall give breath to the image, so that the image shall speak; and he shall cause those to be slain who will not adore it." He says also: "And he will cause a mark [to be put] in the forehead and in the right hand, that no one may be able to buy or sell, unless he who has the mark of the name of the beast or the number of his name; and the number is six hundred and sixty-six," Revelation 13:14, etc. that is, six times a hundred, six times ten, and six units. [He gives this] as a summing up of the whole of that apostasy which has taken place during six thousand years.



    On Christ and Antichrist

    Hippolytus


    https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0516.htm


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    25. Then he says: A fourth beast, dreadful and terrible; it had iron teeth and claws of brass. And who are these but the Romans? Which (kingdom) is meant by the iron — the kingdom which is now established; for the legs of that (image) were of iron. And after this, what remains, beloved, but the toes of the feet of the image, in which part is iron and part clay, mixed together? And mystically by the toes of the feet he meant the kings who are to arise from among them; as Daniel also says (in the words), I considered the beast, and lo there were ten horns behind it, among which shall rise another (horn), an offshoot, and shall pluck up by the roots the three (that were) before it. And under this was signified none other than Antichrist, who is also himself to raise the kingdom of the Jews. He says that three horns are plucked up by the root by him, viz., the three kings of Egypt, and Libya, and Ethiopia, whom he cuts off in the array of battle. And he, after gaining terrible power over all, being nevertheless a tyrant, shall stir up tribulation and persecution against men, exalting himself against them. For Daniel says: I considered the horn, and behold that horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them, till the beast was slain and perished, and its body was given to the burning of fire.


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    28. The golden head of the image and the lioness denoted the Babylonians; the shoulders and arms of silver, and the bear, represented the Persians and Medes; the belly and thighs of brass, and the leopard, meant the Greeks, who held the sovereignty from Alexander's time; the legs of iron, and the beast dreadful and terrible, expressed the Romans, who hold the sovereignty at present; the toes of the feet which were part clay and part iron, and the ten horns, were emblems of the kingdoms that are yet to rise; the other little horn that grows up among them meant the Antichrist in their midst; the stone that smites the earth and brings judgment upon the world was Christ.


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    49. By the beast, then, coming up out of the earth, he means the kingdom of Antichrist; and by the two horns he means him and the false prophet after him. And in speaking of the horns being like a lamb, he means that he will make himself like the Son of God, and set himself forward as king. And the terms, he spoke like a dragon, mean that he is a deceiver, and not truthful. And the words, he exercised all the power of the first beast before him, and caused the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed, signify that, after the manner of the law of Augustus, by whom the empire of Rome was established, he too will rule and govern, sanctioning everything by it, and taking greater glory to himself. For this is the fourth beast, whose head was wounded and healed again, in its being broken up or even dishonoured, and partitioned into four crowns; and he then (Antichrist) shall with knavish skill heal it, as it were, and restore it. For this is what is meant by the prophet when he says, He will give life unto the image, and the image of the beast will speak. For he will act with vigour again, and prove strong by reason of the laws established by him; and he will cause all those who will not worship the image of the beast to be put to death.

    Here the faith and the patience of the saints will appear, for he says: And he will cause all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand or in their forehead; that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, the name of the beast, or the number of his name. For, being full of guile, and exalting himself against the servants of God, with the wish to afflict them and persecute them out of the world, because they give not glory to him, he will order incense-pans to be set up by all everywhere, that no man among the saints may be able to buy or sell without first sacrificing; for this is what is meant by the mark received upon the right hand. And the word — in their forehead — indicates that all are crowned, and put on a crown of fire, and not of life, but of death.
     
    For in this wise, too, did Antiochus Epiphanes the king of Syria, the descendant of Alexander of Macedon, devise measures against the Jews. He, too, in the exaltation of his heart, issued a decree in those times, that all should set up shrines before their doors, and sacrifice, and that they should march in procession to the honour of Dionysus, waving chaplets of ivy; and that those who refused obedience should be put to death by strangulation and torture. But he also met his due recompense at the hand of the Lord, the righteous Judge and all-searching God; for he died eaten up of worms. And if one desires to inquire into that more accurately, he will find it recorded in the books of the Maccabees.

    2 Corinthians 4:3-4 

    And if our gospel be also hid, it is hid to them that are lost, In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of unbelievers, that the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should not shine unto them.

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    Re: Human mind EXTREMELY unreliable
    « Reply #18 on: September 22, 2023, 04:42:47 PM »
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    The False Prophet and the man called "the Antichrist" is the same person.
    No.  The false prophet acts like an anti-St John the Baptist, and prepares the way for the antichrist.  2 different people. 

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    Re: Human mind EXTREMELY unreliable
    « Reply #19 on: September 22, 2023, 05:02:49 PM »
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  • These things haven't happened yet. But they will. Stay tuned.

    Where did you get your opinion on the Antichrist and False Prophet (at the time of Antichrist)?
    I'm thinking Dimond Brothers or some such. Or some "recovering from Dimond Brothers" mitigated version of their teaching -- the eschatological equivalent of Theistic evolution.

    Because your opinions on this matter are quite foreign to me and my Sensus Catholicus, and I've done a good job forming that sensus over the past several decades. And I've specifically read books on this subject, such as "History of Antichrist" (TAN Books), Catholic Prophecy, and the Apocalypse.

    I've been a bit of an End of the World aficionado since the day I was born. It's funny because the Sunday I was baptized as a newborn infant, they would have read the Gospel for the Last Sunday after Pentecost (Matthew ch. 24).
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    Re: Human mind EXTREMELY unreliable
    « Reply #20 on: September 22, 2023, 05:03:31 PM »
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  • No.  The false prophet acts like an anti-St John the Baptist, and prepares the way for the antichrist.  2 different people.

    There is some truth in what you say, but Judas is the better model of the Antichrist:

    1. Judas was a false disciple, an infiltrator (a bona fide member of the Twelve). Bergoglio is a false Pope.

    2. Satan entered Judas at the Last Supper (he was possessed by the devil). Bergoglio will be thoroughly possessed.

    3. Judas betrayed Jesus with a kiss (with false affection he handed him over). Bergoglio will betray the teachings of Jesus for the sake of wokism, false mercy for the victims of religious intolerance. He will claim to be more Christ-like than Jesus himself.

    Same person. Three stages.

    Bergoglio is the new Judas. No need to agree with me now. You will see it with your own eyes very soon. Just keep an open mind and pray for discernment.

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    Re: Human mind EXTREMELY unreliable
    « Reply #21 on: September 22, 2023, 05:05:48 PM »
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  • Angelus, where does the period of peace promised by Our Lady of Fatima fit in, if that period of peace does not refer the the Sixth Age of the Church?
    2 Corinthians 4:3-4 

    And if our gospel be also hid, it is hid to them that are lost, In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of unbelievers, that the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should not shine unto them.

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    Re: Human mind EXTREMELY unreliable
    « Reply #22 on: September 22, 2023, 05:08:33 PM »
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  • There is some truth in what you say, but Judas is the better model of the Antichrist:

    1. Judas was a false disciple, an infiltrator (a bona fide member of the Twelve). Bergoglio is a false Pope.

    2. Satan entered Judas at the Last Supper (he was possessed by the devil). Bergoglio will be thoroughly possessed.

    3. Judas betrayed Jesus with a kiss (with false affection he handed him over). Bergoglio will betray the teachings of Jesus for the sake of wokism, false mercy for the victims of religious intolerance. He will claim to be more Christ-like than Jesus himself.

    Same person. Three stages.

    Bergoglio is the new Judas. No need to agree with me now. You will see it with your own eyes very soon. Just keep an open mind and pray for discernment.


    So...what happens when Bergoglio retires and/or dies, and nothing happens? You would look like a false prophet, calling names and dates.
    Most say that is not a good idea. Bishop Williamson for example is always adamant that "I don't know the time, you don't know the time..." He is always completely against "calling dates".

    The Dimond brothers I believe were quite adamant that JP2 was the Antichrist. Don't they feel stupid now.

    Calling dates is the equivalent of clickbait. It gets people excited. You might get clicks, donations, excitement, action -- BUT it comes at a cost. You are repeatedly wrong, and you have to keep coming up with excuses why you were wrong, and try to keep people trusting you again and again (somehow) so as to continue the grift.

    One problem: people lose faith in you eventually. See: The Boy Who Cried Wolf.

    Yes, I believe that's not a good game to play.
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    « Reply #23 on: September 22, 2023, 05:12:13 PM »
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  • The Prophets and our times

    Rev. Gerald Culleton

    Tan Books


    Page 78


    https://archive.org/details/the-prophets-and-our-times-gerald-culleton/page/77/mode/2up



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    VI. THE SIXTH EPOC OF TIME

    After this period in which all nations submit to the Church, especially after the Turks submit (87, 156), the sixth epoc draws to a close (129). Christians will not appreciate the graces of the sixth epoc of time. Fervor grows cold; darkness, crime, and revolt gradually increase till evil is worse than before (40, 67, 78). God releases Lucifer and Hell (40). The False Prophet, precursor of Anti-Christ, appears. The people will have been especially lax concerning Confirmation (sacrament of the Holy Ghost who dominates the sixth period of time) and it will be especially the unconfirmed who fall into the snares of the False Prophet (111). Then comes the Anti-Christ (29, 38, 67, 79, 101, 111, 129).



    St. Vincent Ferrer (1350-1419)


    https://greatmonarch-angelicpontiffprophecies.blogspot.com/p/blog-page_12.html


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    "In the days of peace that are to come after the desolation of revolutions and wars, before the end of the world, the Christians will become so lax in their religion that they will refuse to receive the Sacrament of Confirmation, saying 'it is an unnecessary Sacrament'; and when the false prophet, the precursor of Anti-Christ comes, all who are not confirmed will apostatise, while those who are confirmed will stand firm in the faith, and only a few will renounce Christ."

    2 Corinthians 4:3-4 

    And if our gospel be also hid, it is hid to them that are lost, In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of unbelievers, that the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should not shine unto them.

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    Re: Human mind EXTREMELY unreliable
    « Reply #24 on: September 22, 2023, 05:13:49 PM »
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  • God bless Thomas A. Nelson and TAN Books.
    Countless Catholics kept the Faith and/or learned a ton about the Faith and Tradition (but I repeat myself) thanks to his great catalog of reprinted pre-Vatican II books.
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    Re: Human mind EXTREMELY unreliable
    « Reply #25 on: September 22, 2023, 05:22:36 PM »
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  • Where did you get your opinion on the Antichrist and False Prophet (at the time of Antichrist)?
    I'm thinking Dimond Brothers or some such. Or some "recovering from Dimond Brothers" mitigated version of their teaching -- the eschatological equivalent of Theistic evolution.

    Because your opinions on this matter are quite foreign to me, and I've read books like "History of Antichrist" (TAN Books), Catholic Prophecy, and the Apocalypse.

    The Bible, the Church Fathers, and private revelation (especially Marian) are my sources. Nothing special or gnostic.

    Once a person understands that "the Elect" can be deceived, in a religious sense, only by a person posing as "the Pope," all will fall into place. Only an apparent Pope can teach authoritatively. Catholics will not be deceive, in matters of religion, by a random politician or world leader.

    Therefore, if one recognizes that the (apparent) Catholic Church can be (and has been) hijacked by communists/freemasons/ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs, in other words, that the institution advertising itself as Catholic is not Catholic, then one will begin to understand what the prophecies are telling us.

    The confirmation of it is in front of our eyes. It is in the news every day. The Synod on Synodality and its aftermath will fully consummate the marriage of the Beast (ridden by the Harlot) with World, which up to now has been a 60+ year betrothal.


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    « Reply #26 on: September 22, 2023, 05:30:05 PM »
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  • Angelus, the problem with all that is that Roncalli, Montini, Wojtyła, and Ratzinger  (Luciani, too short a reign) were just as bad as Jorge.

    You, and Fr. Kramer, are deceived as to not see this.
    2 Corinthians 4:3-4 

    And if our gospel be also hid, it is hid to them that are lost, In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of unbelievers, that the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should not shine unto them.

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    Re: Human mind EXTREMELY unreliable
    « Reply #27 on: September 22, 2023, 05:30:34 PM »
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  • The bolded is something interesting to consider. Were the Protestants only wrong on the timing? 
    This reminds me of how they call the Catholic Church the Whore of Babylon.  Well, what appears to be the Catholic Church is the Whore of Babylon.

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    « Reply #28 on: September 22, 2023, 05:36:48 PM »
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  • Angelus, where does the period of peace promised by Our Lady of Fatima fit in, if that period of peace does not refer the the Sixth Age of the Church?

    There first will be a "false peace" of the Antichrist (1 Thessalonians 5):

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    1 But of the times and moments, brethren, you need not, that we should write to you;  2 For yourselves know perfectly, that the day of the Lord shall so come, as a thief in the night.  3 For when they shall say, peace and security; then shall sudden destruction come upon them, as the pains upon her that is with child, and they shall not escape.

    The "false peace" will appear good to the Worldlings, the lovers of earthly things. The Antichrist's teachings will usher in universal tolerance of sin. The only enemies of the Antichrist and the Worldlings will be the tiny number of true Christians who confess the teachings of Jesus in the face of harsh persecution.

    After this, a true peace, supernaturally induced, will be experienced by those who were persecuted by the Antichrist and his Worldlings. This will most likely be when "the Warning" occurs. The supernatural peace will be a reward for perseverance.

    So, depending on the state of the person's soul, they will experience "peace" differently at different times during the final period. In the end, those who don't repent of their rejection of Jesus's teachings will be on the receiving end of God's Wrath. The faithful remnant will not experience God's Wrath. 


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    « Reply #29 on: September 22, 2023, 05:38:50 PM »
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  • Angelus, the problem with all that is that Roncalli, Montini, Wojtyła, and Ratzinger  (Luciani, too short a reign) were just as bad as Jorge.

    You, and Fr. Kramer, are deceived as to not see this.
    Yes.  Which is why I take 2Thessalonians2 to be referring to the papacy, not just one "pope".

    And Vatican II is the Revolt.