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    Re: How Women Abuse Domestic Violence Laws to Abuse & Enslave Men
    « Reply #1 on: June 26, 2018, 11:07:08 AM »
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  • People like this minister are blind guides, they are just trying to make order of their own disordered morals.

    If you live in the City of Man (all non-Catholics, and all baptized Catholics who do not live the faith, like 99% of the worlds population today), do not marry, just live with the women till you get tired of each other or you find someone better looking or whatever your need is (a good cook, has money.....). Anyone of the world, specially in the USA, who marries, is a fool.

    If you live in the City of God - you do not need to listen to video's by blind guides like this. PERIOD.

    Take it from someone who lived in the City of Man for 40 years and did exactly as I advised when I lived there. Once God enlightened me, I left that city and lived the Catholic life and within a few years a catholic wife showed up one day at my chapel. She was in her early 20's and I was in my late 40's. God provides, just focus on Him and let Him sort it out for you.

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    Re: How Women Abuse Domestic Violence Laws to Abuse & Enslave Men
    « Reply #2 on: June 26, 2018, 11:30:19 AM »
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  • People like this minister are blind guides, they are just trying to make order of their own disordered morals.

    If you live in the City of Man (all non-Catholics, and all baptized Catholics who do not live the faith, like 99% of the worlds population today), do not marry, just live with the women till you get tired of each other or you find someone better looking or whatever your need is (a good cook, has money.....). Anyone of the world, specially in the USA, who marries, is a fool.

    If you live in the City of God - you do not need to listen to video's by blind guides like this. PERIOD.

    Take it from someone who lived in the City of Man for 40 years and did exactly as I advised when I lived there. Once God enlightened me, I left that city and lived the Catholic life and within a few years a catholic wife showed up one day at my chapel. She was in her early 20's and I was in my late 40's. God provides, just focus on Him and let Him sort it out for you.

    Nothing you said here counters or addresses what the man in the video discussed.
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    Re: How Women Abuse Domestic Violence Laws to Abuse & Enslave Men
    « Reply #3 on: June 26, 2018, 12:52:24 PM »
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  • I have in fact known women (even a couple of Traditional Catholics) to exploit domestic violence regulations and use the fact that the husband occasionally spanked unruly children as a weapon in divorce proceedings ... even when they spanked the children more than their husbands did.

    And I have known of children who threaten to call the police on their parents when faced with prospective (just) corporal punishment.  This deters the parent who doesn't want to end up in jail or under the thumb of CPS.

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    Re: How Women Abuse Domestic Violence Laws to Abuse & Enslave Men
    « Reply #4 on: June 26, 2018, 01:15:18 PM »
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    I have in fact known women (even a couple of Traditional Catholics) to exploit domestic violence regulations and use the fact that the husband occasionally spanked unruly children as a weapon in divorce proceedings ... even when they spanked the children more than their husbands did.
    Another reason for a prenup and to avoid the court system.


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    Re: How Women Abuse Domestic Violence Laws to Abuse & Enslave Men
    « Reply #5 on: June 26, 2018, 01:34:03 PM »
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  • I have in fact known women (even a couple of Traditional Catholics) to exploit domestic violence regulations and use the fact that the husband occasionally spanked unruly children as a weapon in divorce proceedings ... even when they spanked the children more than their husbands did.

    And I have known of children who threaten to call the police on their parents when faced with prospective (just) corporal punishment.  This deters the parent who doesn't want to end up in jail or under the thumb of CPS.

    See, unless someone is accusing Ladislaus of bald face lying here, this is serious. It's something we need to address, consider, and discuss as Traditional Catholics.

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    Re: How Women Abuse Domestic Violence Laws to Abuse & Enslave Men
    « Reply #6 on: June 26, 2018, 02:07:14 PM »
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  • I suppose now CathInfo has "become an anti-Feminist board" because we have more than 7 threads on a given topic? You guys make me laugh! :)
    I think it would be good thing if Cathinfo were known as an anti-Feminist board.  One of my favourite things about this forum is the opposition to feminism.

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    Re: How Women Abuse Domestic Violence Laws to Abuse & Enslave Men
    « Reply #7 on: June 26, 2018, 02:09:02 PM »
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  • Another reason for a prenup and to avoid the court system.
    A prenup would not help.  Once there are accusations of abuse, it becomes a matter of criminal law.


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    Re: How Women Abuse Domestic Violence Laws to Abuse & Enslave Men
    « Reply #8 on: June 26, 2018, 02:46:41 PM »
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  • If you woud've read the quote more carefully, you'd see that there were not accusations of abuse UNTIL divorce proceedings were in process.  And i'm sure such accusations were passive and circumstantial, with no evidence.

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    Re: How Women Abuse Domestic Violence Laws to Abuse & Enslave Men
    « Reply #9 on: June 26, 2018, 03:39:51 PM »
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  • If you woud've read the quote more carefully, you'd see that there were not accusations of abuse UNTIL divorce proceedings were in process.  And i'm sure such accusations were passive and circumstantial, with no evidence.
    I don't understand what point you are making.

    Once a man is accused of abuse he is basically assumed to be guilty.  There is no "innocent until proven guilty" in this area. The wife is given a restraining order against him, he is no longer allowed in the family home, and he is treated like a criminal.  This happens whatever the stage of divorce proceedings.  I cannot think of any way that a prenup could prevent it.

    I have heard (and find credible) that some divorce lawyers routinely advise female clients to accuse the husband of abuse because it guarantees that she will get everything she asks for.  She does not need to prove that it happened.

    This is, obviously, horribly unjust.  And a prenup is not going to fix this because the abuse charge overrides the agreements of the prenup.

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    Re: How Women Abuse Domestic Violence Laws to Abuse & Enslave Men
    « Reply #10 on: June 26, 2018, 04:00:19 PM »
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  • First, the abuse was used as a threat, not a direct accusation to police, and it was not spousal abuse but child abuse (i.e. spanking) that Ladislaus mentioned.

    Second, a prenup would be desigend to PREVENT divorce proceedings so the threat of any abuse, especially if done through advice of an attorney, would've never have happened in the first place.  A prenup would say, (in theory):

    "Except for church approved reasons, any divorce proceedings you initiate, which would be heinously and violently opposed to the will of God and the Church, would result in the following:

    (here the details of the agreement would be listed)"

    Signed:  Spouse A
    Signed:  Spouse B

    -- END OF PRENUP

    Once the immoral party decides to go through with the divorce, there would be no divorce arguments or bickering or threats in court.  The goal of a prenup is that it's an "open and shut" case.  Both parties signed the agreement, and here is what the agreement says.  The court rules that the divorce is finalized and the spouses follow the rules of the prenup that they both signed.  There's no advice from an attorney, no arguments, no witnesses - because the prenup explains what happens if there's a divorce.  You sign the divorce papers and you leave court.  10 minutes and you're done. (Actually, you probably dont' even GO to court.  It's probably all handled at the lawyer's office of the god-forsaken spouse that destroyed the marriage).  A prenup, in theory, is a means to avoid court and public disclosures, which is why many wealthy and public figures use them, because they don't want their business plastered all over the newspapers.

    The courts don't want to get involved in these things if they don't have to.  Any judge will see that a prenup is signed and they will say "ok, there's nothing for me to do.  This is a valid agreement and both parties must abide by its rules.  Sign the paperwork and i'll get on with the next case.  Good day."

    If there turns out to be a squabble over someone not fulfilling the prenup, then that is a civil case and it would be handled at a later date, long after the divorce is settled.  If the wife wants to accuse the husband of child abuse or something, she'd have to call CPS; it would not be part of divorce court.


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    Re: How Women Abuse Domestic Violence Laws to Abuse & Enslave Men
    « Reply #11 on: June 26, 2018, 04:20:07 PM »
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  • First, the abuse was used as a threat, not a direct accusation to police, and it was not spousal abuse but child abuse (i.e. spanking) that Ladislaus mentioned.

    Second, a prenup would be desigend to PREVENT divorce proceedings so the threat of any abuse, especially if done through advice of an attorney, would've never have happened in the first place.  A prenup would say, (in theory):

    "Except for church approved reasons, any divorce proceedings you initiate, which would be heinously and violently opposed to the will of God and the Church, would result in the following:

    (here the details of the agreement would be listed)"

    Signed:  Spouse A
    Signed:  Spouse B

    -- END OF PRENUP

    Once the immoral party decides to go through with the divorce, there would be no divorce arguments or bickering or threats in court.  The goal of a prenup is that it's an "open and shut" case.  Both parties signed the agreement, and here is what the agreement says.  The court rules that the divorce is finalized and the spouses follow the rules of the prenup that they both signed.  There's no advice from an attorney, no arguments, no witnesses - because the prenup explains what happens if there's a divorce.  You sign the divorce papers and you leave court.  10 minutes and you're done. (Actually, you probably dont' even GO to court.  It's probably all handled at the lawyer's office of the god-forsaken spouse that destroyed the marriage).  A prenup, in theory, is a means to avoid court and public disclosures, which is why many wealthy and public figures use them, because they don't want their business plastered all over the newspapers.

    The courts don't want to get involved in these things if they don't have to.  Any judge will see that a prenup is signed and they will say "ok, there's nothing for me to do.  This is a valid agreement and both parties must abide by its rules.  Sign the paperwork and i'll get on with the next case.  Good day."

    If there turns out to be a squabble over someone not fulfilling the prenup, then that is a civil case and it would be handled at a later date, long after the divorce is settled.  If the wife wants to accuse the husband of child abuse or something, she'd have to call CPS; it would not be part of divorce court.
    Ladislaus was talking about a couple of different things. The point remains that once there are accusations of abuse it has become a criminal case, not a civil one. 

    Also, physical abuse is a Church approved reason for separation (civil divorce) so the prenup formula you suggest would not do anything.
    Let's consider a scenario in which a completely immoral wife has decided she wants a divorce for bad reasons. A prenup will do nothing to help the man.  All she needs to do is lie that he has abused her.  Since she is completely immoral, she is quite prepared to do that.

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    Re: How Women Abuse Domestic Violence Laws to Abuse & Enslave Men
    « Reply #12 on: June 26, 2018, 04:41:52 PM »
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    Let's consider a scenario in which a completely immoral wife has decided she wants a divorce for bad reasons. A prenup will do nothing to help the man.  All she needs to do is lie that he has abused her.  Since she is completely immoral, she is quite prepared to do that.
    An accusation of spousal abuse (which Ladislaus never mentioned) might put the husband in jail for a few nights but unless it is proven in a court of law, which would involve witnesses and testimony, then the prenup would still be in force.  And any false accusations would also include a prenup penalty.

    Unless there is proof of abuse, then the Church would not approve of such a separation so the immoral spouse would be in violation of the prenup.  No kids, very little $ - leave if you want, good luck.

    Thirdly, the Church allows separation for violence/adultery, but divorce is only allowed for adultery (per Scripture). 

    Yes, a prenup would still help.  It would cover all of these issues, with appropriate penalties for lies and illegal accusations.

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    Re: How Women Abuse Domestic Violence Laws to Abuse & Enslave Men
    « Reply #13 on: June 26, 2018, 04:46:07 PM »
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  • An accusation of spousal abuse (which Ladislaus never mentioned) might put the husband in jail for a few nights but unless it is proven in a court of law, which would involve witnesses and testimony, then the prenup would still be in force.

    Now, you know full well that a mere accusation by a woman against a man is taken by the legal system as proof.  Women need only allege abuse or rape ... and the man is convinced.  You talk about the legal system being rigged against men (and it's true) but then seem to think that men will find justice.  I know a guy who was falsely accused of abuse for spanking his daughter (he was a Traditional Catholic), and the judge gave the wife full custody of the children based on the allegation alone.  And a judge so minded would throw out a prenup for the same reasons.  Also, the woman would only have to allege that she was coerced into signing the prenup to have it thrown out ... and she would be believed.  So these prenups are useless against the legal system.


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    Re: How Women Abuse Domestic Violence Laws to Abuse & Enslave Men
    « Reply #14 on: June 26, 2018, 04:52:51 PM »
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  • See, unless someone is accusing Ladislaus of bald face lying here, this is serious. It's something we need to address, consider, and discuss as Traditional Catholics.

    No lying.  Lying is a sin, and I wouldn't do that.  These cases actually involve relatives of mine, so I am very well acquainted with the facts.  Now both of the women who made these accusations of abuse for spanking were "converts" in order to get married.  They "converted" to Traditional Catholicism but then made accusations of abuse based on just (non-excessive) corporal punishment when they wanted to get out of their marriage.  One was having an affair (proven through text messages and e-mails) and the other one just wanted to get out of her marriage for various other reasons.

    This experience is why I have spoken out about "conversion" marriages.

     

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