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Traditional Catholic Faith => Fighting Errors in the Modern World => Topic started by: Geremia on July 13, 2019, 05:44:56 PM

Title: How the “dubia cardinals” accused and respond to Francis's «Amoris Lætitia»
Post by: Geremia on July 13, 2019, 05:44:56 PM
In September 2016, four cardinals, with the support of many other clerics, questioned the orthodoxy of Francis's docuмent on marriage and the family, Amoris Lætitia, in the form of five dubia ("doubts") (https://www.ncregister.com/blog/edward-pentin/full-text-and-explanatory-notes-of-cardinals-questions-on-amoris-laetitia):
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  • It is asked whether, following the affirmations of Amoris Laetitia (300-305), it has now become possible to grant absolution in the sacrament of penance and thus to admit to holy Communion a person who, while bound by a valid marital bond, lives together with a different person more uxorio without fulfilling the conditions provided for by Familiaris Consortio, 84, and subsequently reaffirmed by Reconciliatio et Paenitentia, 34, and Sacramentum Caritatis, 29. Can the expression “in certain cases” found in Note 351 (305) of the exhortation Amoris Laetitia be applied to divorced persons who are in a new union and who continue to live more uxorio ["in marital way]?
  • After the publication of the post-synodal exhortation Amoris Laetitia (304), does one still need to regard as valid the teaching of St. John Paul II’s encyclical Veritatis Splendor, 79, based on sacred Scripture and on the Tradition of the Church, on the existence of absolute moral norms that prohibit intrinsically evil acts and that are binding without exceptions?
  • After Amoris Laetitia (301) is it still possible to affirm that a person who habitually lives in contradiction to a commandment of God’s law, as for instance the one that prohibits adultery (Matthew 19:3-9), finds him or herself in an objective situation of grave habitual sin (Pontifical Council for Legislative Texts, “Declaration,” June 24, 2000)?
  • After the affirmations of Amoris Laetitia (302) on “circuмstances which mitigate moral responsibility,” does one still need to regard as valid the teaching of St. John Paul II’s encyclical Veritatis Splendor, 81, based on sacred Scripture and on the Tradition of the Church, according to which “circuмstances or intentions can never transform an act intrinsically evil by virtue of its object into an act ‘subjectively’ good or defensible as a choice”?
  • After Amoris Laetitia (303) does one still need to regard as valid the teaching of St. John Paul II’s encyclical Veritatis Splendor, 56, based on sacred Scripture and on the Tradition of the Church, that excludes a creative interpretation of the role of conscience and that emphasizes that conscience can never be authorized to legitimate exceptions to absolute moral norms that prohibit intrinsically evil acts by virtue of their object?
(emphases in original)
Briefly, they question if Francis supports
After years of Francis refusing to address these dubia, Cardinal Raymond Leo Burke and four bishops issued the Declaration of the Truths relating to some of the most common Errors in the Life of the Church of our Time (https://www.ncregister.com/images/uploads/Declaration_Truths_Errors_final_version_clean.pdf) on May 31, 2019, which reiterates Catholic teaching on the
in 40 brief points (cf. their accompanying explanatory note (http://www.ncregister.com/images/uploads/Declaration_of_Truths_Explanatory_Note_final_version_clean.pdf)).
For example, the Declaration of the Truths (https://www.ncregister.com/images/uploads/Declaration_Truths_Errors_final_version_clean.pdf) says, in response to dubia (https://www.ncregister.com/blog/edward-pentin/full-text-and-explanatory-notes-of-cardinals-questions-on-amoris-laetitia) number
(my emphases)
Since all these truths are interconnected, read the full docuмent (https://www.ncregister.com/images/uploads/Declaration_Truths_Errors_final_version_clean.pdf) for a complete explanation.

(source (https://christianity.stackexchange.com/a/71731/1787))
Title: Re: How the “dubia cardinals” accused and respond to Francis's «Amoris Lætitia»
Post by: TKGS on July 15, 2019, 07:38:38 PM
And what good is this docuмent?
Title: Re: How the “dubia cardinals” accused and respond to Francis's «Amoris Lætitia»
Post by: Geremia on July 18, 2019, 09:27:31 PM
And what good is this docuмent?
Why do you ask that?
Title: Re: How the “dubia cardinals” accused and respond to Francis's «Amoris Lætitia»
Post by: TKGS on July 19, 2019, 05:25:06 AM
The docuмent has been issued.  The pope has ignored it.  The Church is proceeding without regard to the docuмent.  It sounds like the docuмent has no value.  After nearly three years the authors aren't even following up on it.  So, what good is the docuмent?  
Title: Re: How the “dubia cardinals” accused and respond to Francis's «Amoris Lætitia»
Post by: King Wenceslas on July 20, 2019, 12:30:21 PM
The docuмent has been issued.  The pope has ignored it.  The Church is proceeding without regard to the docuмent.  It sounds like the docuмent has no value.  After nearly three years the authors aren't even following up on it.  So, what good is the docuмent?  

Simple. Francis and the whole Church by this dubia have been publicly shown that Francis is propagating serious moral errors in the lives of the laity. When the time comes it will be much simpler for the proper ecclesiastical authorities to denounce, anathemize, and excommunicate him and declare him an anti-pope.

Those who seem to be invincible today are but human debris in hell in the future.
Title: Re: How the “dubia cardinals” accused and respond to Francis's «Amoris Lætitia»
Post by: TKGS on July 20, 2019, 01:55:08 PM
Simple. Francis and the whole Church by this dubia have been publicly shown that Francis is propagating serious moral errors in the lives of the laity. When the time comes it will be much simpler for the proper ecclesiastical authorities to denounce, anathemize, and excommunicate him and declare him an anti-pope.

Those who seem to be invincible today are but human debris in hell in the future.
It must be nice living in the fantasy land that you inhabit.
Title: Re: How the “dubia cardinals” accused and respond to Francis's «Amoris Lætitia»
Post by: 2Vermont on July 20, 2019, 05:13:07 PM
Simple. Francis and the whole Church by this dubia have been publicly shown that Francis is propagating serious moral errors in the lives of the laity. When the time comes it will be much simpler for the proper ecclesiastical authorities to denounce, anathemize, and excommunicate him and declare him an anti-pope.

Those who seem to be invincible today are but human debris in hell in the future.
If this was describing the "formal correction" that Burke promised and never delivered on, I might say you had a point with the bolded part.  I might

As for the rest?  I agree with TKGS.  If you think that there are any "proper" (ie. Catholic) ecclesiastical authorities in Rome that will actually declare him an anti-pope, you are living in a fantasy world.