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Offline SoldierOfChrist

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Re: How old is the Earth?
« Reply #15 on: January 31, 2023, 09:30:43 PM »
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  • Right, and we have SSPX promoting Father Paul Robinson also promoting this Modernist garbage.  There's no way to claim that mankind has been around for more than about 7,000 years without impugning the inerrancy of Sacred Scripture (whether directly or indirectly).
    And there is no reason to impugn the inerrancy of Sacred Scripture, for those who have the Faith.  There is no reason to look to academia for the answer of our origin.  The same people who are step by step, dismantling western civilization and handing it over to communists.  There would be very little point in God creating an earth with nothing but chaos on it, for millions of years.  The elements of the “fossil record” fail to remain in their own supposed epochs, but wander up and down through the sedimentary layers, like as if they all landed in place and were buried after a global Flood.  The missing links of man’s supposed evolution have all gone missing, or turned out to be mixed and matched body parts of animals, with some plaster of paris thrown in.  Their own scientists disprove their own sacred theories when they set out to prove them.  Evolution, Big Bang, and the age of the earth, are all very dumb stories, devoid of any proof, and staring in the face of mountains of proof to the contrary.  But you will not convince the true believers.  It is their religion.  


    Offline Mark 79

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    Re: How old is the Earth?
    « Reply #16 on: January 31, 2023, 11:34:08 PM »
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  • I would put forward that Creation occurred somewhere between 9,500 and 5,500 years prior to the Incarnation, no more, no less.
    If you have some specific Septuagint and Peshitta examples (and the translations) countering the Masoretic Texts, I'd love to put them side-by-side to add an "age of the Earth" section to my cosmology page: http://judaism.is/cosmology.html 

    See my "Hebrew Bible" page to see how I have previously juxtaposed such conflicting texts: http://judaism.is/hebrew-bible.html


    Offline Mark 79

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    Re: How old is the Earth?
    « Reply #17 on: January 31, 2023, 11:49:27 PM »
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    Finally, I found it. This was driving me CRAZY!! The quote is from here.
    Thank you.

    Interesting that searching "two periods" immediately found the passage, but repeating a search for "4,004" still doe snot reveal the passage. Odd.





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    Re: How old is the Earth?
    « Reply #18 on: February 01, 2023, 12:07:46 AM »
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  • It’s fun to respond to modernists with much larger, but equally absurd numbers, to the ones they believe in.  “65 Million years ago???  I think that’s a MASSIVE underestimation.  The dinosaurs have to be AT LEAST 750 Quintillion years old.  This planet is about ten times as old as that.  That’s what gave the dna time to randomly assemble itself into animated creatures.” 
    Good grief, so like how old are triangles and those continuations of Pi, or the one side of it and the other? Have you heard about 10,000 year mortgages?

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    Re: How old is the Earth?
    « Reply #19 on: February 01, 2023, 12:23:39 AM »
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  • A start…

    AGE OF THE EARTH http://judaism.is/cosmology.html#age



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    Re: How old is the Earth?
    « Reply #20 on: February 01, 2023, 04:26:51 AM »
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  • The history of the Egyptian cult consists of facts, mysteries and myths. Blessed Katarina Emmerick (1774-1823) for example, the Augustinian nun, wrote:

    ‘Semiramis was very highly honoured in Egypt where, by her intrigues and diabolical arts, she greatly contributed to the spread of idolatry. I saw her in Memphis, where human sacrifices are common, plotting and practicing magic and astrology. It was Semiramis who here planned the first pyramid; it was built on the eastern bank of the Nile. The whole nation had to assist in its construction… This building was the centre of Egyptian idolatry, astrology, witchcraft, abominable impurity, astrologers and necromancers calling up spirits of the dead dwelt in the pyramid and there conjured up diabolical visions… But I saw that, even at the coming of Semiramis to Memphis, these people, in their pride had designedly confused the calendar. Their ambition was to take precedence of all other nations in point of time. With this end in view, they drew up a number of complicated calendars and royal genealogical tables. By this means and frequent changes in their computations, order and true chronology were lost. That this confusion might be firmly established, they perpetuated every error by inscriptions and the erection of great buildings. For a long time they reckoned the ages of father and son, as if the date of the former’s demise were that of the latter’s birth. The kings, who waged constant war with the priests on the subject of chronology, inserted among their forefathers the names of persons that never existed. Thus the four kings of the same name who reigned simultaneously in Thebes, Heliopolis, Memphis and Sais were in accordance with the design, reckoned one after the other. I saw too that once they reckoned nine hundred and seventy days to a year, and again, months were computed as years. I saw a pagan priest drawing up a chronological table in which for every five hundred years, eleven hundred were set down. I saw these false computations of the pagan priests at the same time as I beheld Jesus Christ teaching on the Sabbath at Aruma. Jesus, speaking before the Pharisees of the Call of Abraham and his sojourn in Egypt, exposed the errors of the Egyptian calendar. He said the world had now existed 4028 years. When I heard Jesus say this, He was thirty-one years old.’ --- Blessed Katarina Emmerick



      Katarina’s age for Jesus Christ is the exactly the same as found in the Scriptures: Adam 5 days, Noah and the flood 1056 years (2941BC), Abraham 1950 after Creation (AC), Exodus 2540AC, birth of Jesus 3997AC, death of Jesus 4030AC at 33 years, fall of Jerusalem 4070AC, the world on 2000AC was 5997 years old, 2023 years after Christ was the year 6,019AC and so on.

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    Re: How old is the Earth?
    « Reply #21 on: February 01, 2023, 05:45:06 AM »
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  • The elements of the “fossil record” fail to remain in their own supposed epochs, but wander up and down through the sedimentary layers, like as if they all landed in place and were buried after a global Flood.

    Don't get me started about Father Robinson's "Local Flood" nonsense.  I was just watching a show "Ancient Apocalypse" that presents some compelling scientific evidence of a Global Flood, from around the world, from the Americas, Asia, and even Antarctica.  It was very compelling.

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    Re: How old is the Earth?
    « Reply #22 on: February 01, 2023, 11:48:04 AM »
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  • Don't get me started about Father Robinson's "Local Flood" nonsense.  I was just watching a show "Ancient Apocalypse" that presents some compelling scientific evidence of a Global Flood, from around the world, from the Americas, Asia, and even Antarctica.  It was very compelling.
    Must look that site up Ladislaus.

    For others, here is Fr Robinson opinion of Noah's Flood.

    ‘This position of the Flood as being geographically universal meets with serious scientific difficulties. For one, how can you get enough rain to cover the entire earth?... In other words, the laws operating on the Earth today cannot be applied to the time of Noah… One of the motivations for Brown  to postulate water coming from below [the Earth] is that the Bible describes the waters of the Flood as coming both from the ‘fountains of great deep’ and the ‘floodgates of Heaven’ (see Gen, 8:2) …. Clearly this is a popular, but not a scientific description.’--- Fr Paul Robinson. The Realist Guide to Religion and Science, Gracewing, 2018, pp. 274-275.

    ‘This position on the Flood as being graphically universal meets with serious scientific difficulties. For one, how can you get enough rain to cover the entire earth?

    The Bible describes the waters of the Flood as coming from the ‘fountains of the great deep’ and the ‘floodgates of Heaven’ (Gen. 8:2)…. Clearly this is popular, not a scientific description…. To impose a scientific sense upon the Bible then is to do violence to the sacred text and the divinely intended meaning.’--- Fr Paul Robinson

    Is this priest actually questioning God’s ability to flood the Earth with water as revealed in Genesis? Is Fr Paul telling us the following is not a true history?

    ‘[4] I will rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and I will destroy every substance that I have made, from the face of the earth. And the flood was forty days upon the earth, and the waters increased. [11]  all the fountains of the great deep were broken up, and the flood gates of heaven were opened: [12] And the rain fell upon the earth forty days and forty nights. [18] For they overflowed exceedingly: and filled all on the face of the earth: [19] And the waters prevailed beyond measure upon the earth: and all the high mountains were covered. [20] The water was fifteen cubits higher than the mountains which it covered.’ --- (Genesis Ch 7 and 8)

    It seems now, God cannot create enough water to cover the Earth? An Earth-wide flood would also result in massive mountains of earth-crust movement as well as liquid sediments made up of pieces of rock, earth, dust and other particles, into which all living creatures would fall into and become fossilised. Isn’t that what we find; 75% of the whole Earth’s surface is sedimentary rock strata filled with billions of similar fossils the rest made up of igneous rock and metamorphic rock. So, which Noah’s Flood are Catholics now taught, the supernatural revelation or its ‘educated’ natural scientific replacement? 

    ‘Deluge. The great flood which covered the whole land or region in which Noe lived (Gen. 6:1-9:19). God sent this flood to destroy all men in this region because of their wickedness. Noe and his family alone were spared (Gen. 6:1-8). Scriptural scholars say that the flood did not necessarily cover the whole Earth as we know it today; some even hold that it not necessarily destroyed all the people on the Earth.’ ----- The Holy Bible: The Catholic Press Inc. Chicago, 1951.

    So much for the dogma: ‘no salvation outside the Catholic Church (the Ark).’


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    Re: How old is the Earth?
    « Reply #23 on: February 01, 2023, 01:21:50 PM »
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  • It’s fun to respond to modernists with much larger, but equally absurd numbers, to the ones they believe in.  “65 Million years ago???  I think that’s a MASSIVE underestimation.  The dinosaurs have to be AT LEAST 750 Quintillion years old.  This planet is about ten times as old as that.  That’s what gave the dna time to randomly assemble itself into animated creatures.” 
    This reminds one of the old question about division by zero and the proof that all numbers are equal, and that, as Isaac Newton said in defense of his theoretical book "The Principia", that "if you the reader can't understand it, then you can't disprove it, of course. Yet I understand it so I am right and a scientist."

    What Isaac Newton had to say about the Moon and gravity may be as undefined as division by zero in the end, and other nonexistent objects that are also wrong, but if some things like that are much larger than others, they may also be only "equally absurd" as whatever others, and that seems true. Cf. division by zero, to verify the proof, and the difference between whatever numbers and infinity is the same difference all around, with infinity on one side and the multitudes and operations on the other.

    If you know what you're doing with a ten or hundred thousand year mortgage, and you're working with the right bank, you can live in a verg big expensive mansion for at least a hundred years and not pay very much for it at all. Almost nothing to pay more than a few nickels and dimes, in fact, for the first hundred or two hundred years, and put the balloon part of it way away from you on the back end ...

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    Re: How old is the Earth?
    « Reply #24 on: February 01, 2023, 01:33:03 PM »
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  • Must look that site up Ladislaus.

    For others, here is Fr Robinson opinion of Noah's Flood.

    ‘This position of the Flood as being geographically universal meets with serious scientific difficulties. For one, how can you get enough rain to cover the entire earth?... In other words, the laws operating on the Earth today cannot be applied to the time of Noah… One of the motivations for Brown  to postulate water coming from below [the Earth] is that the Bible describes the waters of the Flood as coming both from the ‘fountains of great deep’ and the ‘floodgates of Heaven’ (see Gen, 8:2) …. Clearly this is a popular, but not a scientific description.’--- Fr Paul Robinson. The Realist Guide to Religion and Science, Gracewing, 2018, pp. 274-275
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    This man has no idea what he's talking about. How does he know there wasn't enough water to cover the earth at the time of the flood? Was he there? The arrogance of these fake so-called scientists in claiming they were here millions of years ago and can tell us what was going on back then is just ridiculous.

    To answer his objection, if we want to dignify it with such a word, first of all the Bible does say the fountains of the great deep opened up, meaning that water came out of the earth for the flood. I don't know why he says this isn't a scientific idea. That would easily explain where the water came from.

    Secondly, there is evidence that the high mountains that exist today were actually caused by the flood, and that before the flood there were maybe large hills, but not high mountains many thousands of feet tall. If that is true, then the amount of water required to submerge the earth would be a tiny fraction of what would be necessary to do the same thing today, so yes, it's perfectly reasonable to say there was enough water back then to do so.

    Lastly, how does Fr. Robinson explain how seashells keep getting found on top of high mountains, if water can't rise above the highest mountains in the world?

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    Re: How old is the Earth?
    « Reply #25 on: February 01, 2023, 03:01:58 PM »
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    This man has no idea what he's talking about. How does he know there wasn't enough water to cover the earth at the time of the flood? Was he there? The arrogance of these fake so-called scientists in claiming they were here millions of years ago and can tell us what was going on back then is just ridiculous.

    To answer his objection, if we want to dignify it with such a word, first of all the Bible does say the fountains of the great deep opened up, meaning that water came out of the earth for the flood. I don't know why he says this isn't a scientific idea. That would easily explain where the water came from.

    Secondly, there is evidence that the high mountains that exist today were actually caused by the flood, and that before the flood there were maybe large hills, but not high mountains many thousands of feet tall. If that is true, then the amount of water required to submerge the earth would be a tiny fraction of what would be necessary to do the same thing today, so yes, it's perfectly reasonable to say there was enough water back then to do so.

    Lastly, how does Fr. Robinson explain how seashells keep getting found on top of high mountains, if water can't rise above the highest mountains in the world?

    Sacred Scripture clearly states that all mankind were wiped out and that all the earth was covered with water several cubits above the highest mountains.  Fr. Robinson just gratuitously asserts that there's not enough water in the oceans to cover everything.  But, as we know the waters came from beneath the earth and from above, and the stuff from below could easily have receded.

    Heck, even modern scientists agree that there's ton of water in the earth's crust.

    https://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-modern-groundwater-20151116-story.html

    And we don't really know what's beneath the earth's surface.  Deepest anyone has dug is about 8 miles (the Russians).


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    Re: How old is the Earth?
    « Reply #26 on: February 01, 2023, 07:56:32 PM »
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  • My impression is that Pangaea was before the flood and the continents or lands were divided after it in the days of Peleg. It was basically one land mass that was covered.

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    Re: How old is the Earth?
    « Reply #27 on: February 01, 2023, 08:28:46 PM »
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    Agreed.

    But how old does Father Paul Robinson think the world is?
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: How old is the Earth?
    « Reply #28 on: February 01, 2023, 10:05:25 PM »
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  • My impression is that Pangaea was before the flood and the continents or lands were divided after it in the days of Peleg. It was basically one land mass that was covered.

    That is my guess also, except that I don't believe in the Globe earth.  I suspect that the violent upheaval related to the flood also broke apart and divided the land mass.

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    Re: How old is the Earth?
    « Reply #29 on: February 01, 2023, 11:48:49 PM »
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  • How old are sides, like this side or that? Should such a question be asked?