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How not to fall into feminist androgyny?
« on: July 18, 2009, 09:27:59 PM »
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  •   Androgyny is a belief that men and women aren't much different. It says that although biological sex exists, gender roles are products of our patriarchial culture. to fight this falacy, many catholic writers and site owners, encourege women to return to their ancient charm, to dress ellegantly and to move and speak with delicacy. And to prepare themselves for wifehood and motherhood.
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    But how can we extend our battle with androgyny to consecrated and dedicated life?

     We are told that the main reason for creation of sexes is continuing of the human race. The female body can conceive and feed children. And the reason men are stronger and heavir is that they may be able to rule their families and provide for them.
      Gender roles too are God's plan, though every culture has added something to it. Women adorn themselves, use ellegant dress and perfume more than men, since they want to please their husbands. They are kind and emotional since they care for the innocent children.

      But... what if one is not called to marriage?
    throughout the centiries the church has advised vowed women to dress plainly and in dark colors and to avoid using ornaments. They weren't mean to charm and attract anyone.
      So, if a woman is going to dress plainly and in dark colors without using any ornaments, if she avoid all these feminie charm and "grace" and "air", what will become of all these gender roles?
      If one is going to dedicate her time to prayer and works of mercy, then having a specific biological sex too, will be somewhat unimportant, since these works can be done by both men and the women.
    The reason for asking this question is that I saw some online images of consecrated virgins living in the world, they were really masculine. I believe that I too am called to celibacy in the world. But how not to fall in the error of androgyny?


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    How not to fall into feminist androgyny?
    « Reply #1 on: July 20, 2009, 06:51:15 AM »
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  • Feminine charm and grace does not exist simply in ornaments and bright colours, Spouse. It's also in how we talk, act, walk, and in the cut of our garments rather than the extent to which they are embroidered. It is possible to dress modestly and gracefully without trying to attract attention, and without falling into the trap of androgyny. I would say it's almost impossible for a Catholic woman with Our Lady as her guide to become androgynous.

    Androgyny is a deliberate blurring of gender, a neutral, in-between look and behavior. There is no way that long skirts look like gender has been blurred.

    This is what I would call androgyny:

    (I don't know if this is a man or woman!)


    And  women who are not androgynous but who don't look very feminine:



    Whereas even nuns most definitely do not look androgynous!

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    How not to fall into feminist androgyny?
    « Reply #2 on: July 20, 2009, 08:11:57 AM »
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  • The book I recommended talks exactly about this, and that is why I highly recommend it.

    She does, however, say that pants are okay in certain cases (which I don't particularly agree with at all) saying that if the color of the pants are feminine they're okay, and if they're not tight, then they're okay as well. We've been over this before, but from a protestant perspective, I would expect that kind of an answer.

    FW is a really good read if you want to rid yourself of this feminist androgyny.
    Matthew 5:37

    But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no: and that which is over and above these, is of evil.

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    How not to fall into feminist androgyny?
    « Reply #3 on: July 20, 2009, 08:28:41 AM »
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  • But those books are marriage-oriented. Are they good for for me too?


     

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    How not to fall into feminist androgyny?
    « Reply #4 on: July 20, 2009, 08:29:28 AM »
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  • Thenk you two for the photos and advises!


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    How not to fall into feminist androgyny?
    « Reply #5 on: July 20, 2009, 09:22:57 AM »
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  • Quote from: spouse of Jesus
    But those books are marriage-oriented. Are they good for for me too?


     


    I haven't read the one ParentsforTruth recommended, although I should try and get a copy, as it sounds good. But speaking for the Alice Von Hilderbrand volume, it is excellent for all women, not just young, or married/looking for a husband. It looks at the philosophical issues behind the roles of women and the dignity with which they ought to dress/act.

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    How not to fall into feminist androgyny?
    « Reply #6 on: July 20, 2009, 09:35:52 AM »
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  • Also, Spouse, I don't know if you have come across any Catholic nuns or Sisters where you are. The Sisters I had as teachers/housemistresses at school were eminently graceful, feminine, loving, caring and dignified, and they were consecrated virgins! There was no question at all of their trying to attract attention, they wore traditional habits and were gentle and kind at all times (except when we misbehaved, then they were somewhat stern!). There is a big distinction between "feminine" and "sensual"- the world thinks feminine is all about being "girly" and wearing pretty things (now that's misogyny!). Being feminine is something that is superior to "sexy" and is fully compatible with a life of chastity. After all, Our Lady was the most feminine and dignified of all human women, and she was also the purest and completely free of all sin!

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    How not to fall into feminist androgyny?
    « Reply #7 on: July 20, 2009, 11:53:09 AM »
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  • Quote from: Adesto
    There is no way that long skirts look like gender has been blurred.


    Unless it's a man wearing one!



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    How not to fall into feminist androgyny?
    « Reply #8 on: July 20, 2009, 11:55:29 AM »
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  • Quote from: parentsfortruth
    She does, however, say that pants are okay in certain cases (which I don't particularly agree with at all) saying that if the color of the pants are feminine they're okay, and if they're not tight, then they're okay as well. We've been over this before, but from a protestant perspective, I would expect that kind of an answer.


    I'd expect it from a traditional Catholic perspective too, because it is simple common sense.

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    How not to fall into feminist androgyny?
    « Reply #9 on: August 10, 2009, 06:30:57 PM »
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  • Is this Harlequin King's new avatar?

    I suppose he is still experimenting with "period dress"...