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Offline Traditional Guy 20

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Marxism?

Okay so I listen to classical music and operas, I believe in the importance of nation and race, I believe in the importance of religion in society, I oppose ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity and feminism, I support private property, etc.

What does that make me according to Marxian theory? Am I just a poor, working-class simpleton "brainwashed by the bourgeoise" or something like that? :thinking:


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« Reply #1 on: February 14, 2013, 11:03:32 AM »
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  • I'm glad that you are a fan of classical music.  I am too!

    As for marist theory, I would say first get an introduction book on the subject.  I think the "Complete Idiot's Guide to Marxism" is a good idea.  I'm not making a joke here.  When I became interested in classical music and also wine, I started with the "Complete Idiot's Guide to...." books for each.

    Being a working man, you would likely be categorized as a proletarian.



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    « Reply #2 on: February 14, 2013, 02:39:00 PM »
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  • I think McQuigg is right, if you're coming at marxism from an economic perspective.  However, if you are coming at marxism from a cultural perspective, then you don't sound like you're part of the proletariat, but rather an "oppressor" of the proletariat or at least someone who supports their oppression.  



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    « Reply #3 on: February 14, 2013, 02:57:48 PM »
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  • Marxism and Existentialism are both rationalizations for hatred of the human race.

    That is the consequence of denying the existence of the human soul.    

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    « Reply #4 on: February 14, 2013, 03:02:14 PM »
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    Marxism?

    Okay so I listen to classical music and operas, I believe in the importance of nation and race, I believe in the importance of religion in society, I oppose ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity and feminism, I support private property, etc.

    What does that make me according to Marxian theory?


    An enemy of the revolution and an impediment to collectivization, or in other words, nonexistent.  


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    « Reply #5 on: February 14, 2013, 03:15:29 PM »
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  • In a marxist view of politics, you'd be either a conservative (most people) or a reactionary (only form of evil marxism recognizes), but not a progressive (only form of good marxism recognizes, but of course it keeps changing!)

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    « Reply #6 on: February 14, 2013, 05:10:10 PM »
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  • Quote from: Capt McQuigg
    I'm glad that you are a fan of classical music.  I am too!

    As for marist theory, I would say first get an introduction book on the subject.  I think the "Complete Idiot's Guide to Marxism" is a good idea.  I'm not making a joke here.  When I became interested in classical music and also wine, I started with the "Complete Idiot's Guide to...." books for each.

    Being a working man, you would likely be categorized as a proletarian.


    Sorry I should have made myself clear. I realize that Marxism would see me as a proletarian but I am saying that Marxism sees classical music and operas as bourgeoise inventions, sees nation and race as bourgeoise prejudices, sees religion as bourgeoise, sees morality as petty-bourgeoise and a bourgeoise prejudice, sees a traditional role of women as bourgeoise, sees private property as bourgeoise, etc.

    So would that make me a proletarian brainwashed by the bourgeoise or full of bourgeoise prejudices, or something like that?


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    « Reply #7 on: February 14, 2013, 05:13:40 PM »
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    An enemy of the revolution...


    I am glad to be considered an enemy to such an evil ideology. :wink:


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    « Reply #8 on: February 14, 2013, 06:06:59 PM »
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    An enemy of the revolution...


    I am glad to be considered an enemy to such an evil ideology. :wink:

    I would hope so.
    The key thing to realize is that there really is no theoretical Marxism, it's more like the practice of innovating, and legitimizing through a falsely philosophical narrative,  the propaganda that brings about the ʝʊdɛօ-Masonic slave state.
    In such a state people with tastes like yours, especially considering their lack of popularity bellies a certain amount of individuality in those that enjoy them, are murdered post haste. Collectivization needs victims of murder and crime so it can "unify" in the favorable atmosphere of intense survival stress, coupled with a need to eliminate enemies of the revolution and examples of individual expression, this this systematic murder is self fulfilling.

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    « Reply #9 on: February 15, 2013, 05:07:35 PM »
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    So would that make me a proletarian brainwashed by the bourgeoise or full of bourgeoise prejudices, or something like that?


    As long as the opera and classical music serves the purpose of the marxist state, they wouldn't mind that at all.  And it those performers wanted to stay in business (or even stay alive) they would serve their masters.    

    As for you, they would view you as a proletarian with prejudices.    

     

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    « Reply #10 on: February 15, 2013, 05:12:40 PM »
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  • Trad Guy,

    Do you have a favorite classical music composer?


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    « Reply #11 on: February 15, 2013, 07:15:07 PM »
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  • According to my dictionary, bourgeois values are basically materialistic and a product middle class merchants, shopkeepers and businessmen.  
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    « Reply #12 on: February 16, 2013, 04:32:28 AM »
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    According to my dictionary, bourgeois values are basically materialistic and a product middle class merchants, shopkeepers and businessmen.  


    Don't get me wrong I oppose materialism and consumerism, along with greed but Marxism considers any descent morality as petty-bourgeoise and a bourgeoise prejudice as well. I also support small businesses and family farms over large corporations which are immoral behemoths.

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    « Reply #13 on: February 16, 2013, 04:33:34 AM »
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    Trad Guy,

    Do you have a favorite classical music composer?


    I'd say either Beethoven or Mozart.

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    « Reply #14 on: February 16, 2013, 01:39:48 PM »
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    According to my dictionary, bourgeois values are basically materialistic and a product middle class merchants, shopkeepers and businessmen.  


    Don't get me wrong I oppose materialism and consumerism, along with greed but Marxism considers any descent morality as petty-bourgeoise and a bourgeoise prejudice as well. I also support small businesses and family farms over large corporations which are immoral behemoths.


    That sounds good.  According to wikipedia, the petty-bourgeois are basically what we call today "small business owners."   The bourgeois were people like bill gates, henry ford, john d. rockefeller, rupert murdoch, warren buffet, j.p. morgan and steve jobs, who basically own/controlled very large businesses or conglomerates.  The proletariat were people who earned a regular wage working for the bourgeois and the petty-bourgeois.  The lumpen-proletariat were people who subsist somehow outside of that system, like soldiers of fortune/hired thugs, prostitutes, drug dealers, professional gamblers and thieves.  
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