I think I read parts of the protocols once, but I have no idea whether they are a forgery or if they are what they claim to be. Obviously, if they were legitimate, great pains would be taken to discredit them. I do not think we need to have secret docuмents to know that there is a conspiracy of Jєωs to take over the world and make everyone their slaves. Don't we know this from Christ himself and that the conspiracy will be successful? Aren't the Jєωs supposed to take over the whole world and make everyone their slaves in the time of Antichrist, who will be their leader, and who they will worship as their false messiah? Am I mistaken here?

Don't we know this from Christ himself and that the conspiracy will be successful? Aren't the Jєωs supposed to take over the whole world and make everyone their slaves in the time of Antichrist, who will be their leader, and who they will worship as their false messiah? Am I mistaken here?

What passages from the Gospel are you refering too?

Who wrote the interputations of them that you have read?

I've always been a bit leary of the whole "tribes" fixation.  It seems to be something that some (not accusing you Clovis) have taken to an unnecessary level.

I can't remember which verse, but I believe St. Paul discouraged his flock from being overly concerned with lineages or family trees.

I got that out of St Ireanius who was a disciple of St Polycarp who was a disciple of St John the Evangelist. Other Fathers mention it aswell. Its a very old tradition.

Ah, an interesting topic.

Joly was a freemason and a friend of Adolphe Cremieux of the Alliance Israelite Universelle.

There are a few similarities between his dialogue and the Permanent Instruction of the Alta Vendita.

For example the use of the phrase "the hundred arms of Briareus."

Finally, there is the fact that Joly's work seems to heavily resemble Eugene Sue's works.  Eugene Sue was also a freemason, who fled France when Napoleon III came to power, a godson of Empress Joesphine.

His work targets the Jesuits, but perhaps the reality is that it was drawn from a source from inside ʝʊdɛօ-masonry?

An explanation for the resemblance of the Protocols and the Joly Dialogue is that there is an authentic common source from which material was drawn for both.

Finally, it's important to remember that belief in Jєωιѕн conspiracy did not start with the protocols, and is not fundamentally based on the authenticity of the Protocols.  That is a myth.

Here's a good example of a text from 1890s Cincinnati:

http://www.biblestudysite.com/reddragon.htm

If the Protocols are authentic, certainly there is a Jєωιѕн conspiracy.  However, if they are not authentic, it does not at disprove a Jєωιѕн conspiracy.

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Ah, an interesting topic.

Joly was a freemason and a friend of Adolphe Cremieux of the Alliance Israelite Universelle.

There are a few similarities between his dialogue and the Permanent Instruction of the Alta Vendita.

For example the use of the phrase "the hundred arms of Briareus."

What year did the permanent instruction of the Alta Vendita come out?

The problemn is though that Joly was politically a Legitimist and the French Masonic lodges are politically to the left (or at least ultra-Republican and always viciously anti-clerical).

It was published in 1859.  There is also a passage in the Joly dialogue about the Court at Rome being influenced by a hidden source.

Where do you read he was a legitimist?  I read he was in a group with Blanqui.

Here's a good example of a text from 1890s Cincinnati:

http://www.biblestudysite.com/reddragon.htm

If the Protocols are authentic, certainly there is a Jєωιѕн conspiracy.  However, if they are not authentic, it does not at disprove a Jєωιѕн conspiracy.

You are right it doesnt settle the question. Personally I dont believe that Sergius Nilus would have dreamt of creating a forgery also but it is possible that he was used by dishonest elements close to the Black Hundreds.

Certainly there are Jєωιѕн cօռspιʀαcιҽs (the media coverage of the occupation of Palestine in the USA is witness to that) but that doesnt necessarily mean there is a Jєωιѕн Conspiracy if you get what Im trying to say.

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He became editor of a new journal, Le Palais, a position that ended after a confrontation with his principal collaborator in the enterprise. After the fall of the Empire in 1870, he sought a government position from Grevy. He failed in this and joined the radical resistance under Louis Auguste Blanqui and Louis Charles Delacruze, after vehemently having denounced the terms of armistice with Germany.

http://www.naderlibrary.com/lit.dialoguehellintro.htm

Wow...Interesting.

It reminds me of the fascination much of Action Francaise had with Proudon.