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Offline Predestination2

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Where it all went down
« on: March 03, 2025, 06:55:35 PM »
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  • It seems that things started going down after st thomas died. this is the opinon of +Williamson (R.I.P) and seemingly also of +Sanborn and +Dolan (R.I.P)
    some people say that it was before or even with st thomas that this downfall began. They use The Angelic Doctor's seeming acceptance of globe earth as proof of this.
    But is this really the case?
    NO
    Here i will prove that we have no reason to call St Thomas a globe earther -

    He starts to say: Quidam, scilicet Pythagorici, posuerunt terram moveri circa medium mundi, ac si esset una stellarum,(the Pythagoreans, assumed that it is in motion about the middle of the world, as though it were one of the stars) ...dicunt eam revolvi circa medium cæli, idest circa axem dividentem cælum per medium,( assert that it is revolved about the "middle of the heavens," i.e., about the axis which divides the heaven through the middle) sed Philosophus ostendit quod impossibile est terram sic moveri.(but Aristotle shows that it is impossible for the earth to be thus in motion)



    In other words: the Philosopher (Aristotle) excluded the opinions that the earth could spin: excludit opiniones eorum qui falsas opiniones circa terram habebant,




    And also explains that all things move around the earth to the earth, so it must be stable and it can´t move in anyway: Assignat causam quietis terræ et dicit quod ex præmissis manifestum est quæ sit causa quietis ejus. Sicut enim dictum est, terra naturaliter est nata moveri ex omni parte ad medium :sicut sensibiliter apparet quod ignis naturaliter movetur a medio mundi ad extremum. Unde sequitur quod nulla particula terræ vel parva vel magna potest moveri a medio nisi per violentiam. Manifestum est quod multo impossibilis est quod tota terra moveatur a medio. (he assigns the cause of the earth's rest and he says that from the foregoing everything goes to the middle. For, as has been said, earth is naturally inclined to be borne to the middle from every direction, as our sense observations indicate — and similarly it is apparent to sense that fire is naturally moved from the middle of the world to the extreme. Hence it follows that no particle of earth, small or large, can be moved from the middle except by violence; so, it is plainly much more impossible that the entire earth be moved from the middle.)




    Concludit propositum: quod terra sit in medio mundi quia omnia corpora gravia moventur ad medium terræ. (That the earth is in the middle of the universe and all heavy bodies are moved per se to the middle of the earth ) Et sic, ex præmissis, nihil movetur in loco ad quem naturaliter movetur, quia ibi naturaliter quiescit. Sed terra aliquando movetur ad medium mundi, (from the foregoing as follows: Nothing is moved in the place toward which it is naturally moved. But the earth is naturally moved to the middle of the world.) ut probatum est, ergo, terra nullo modo movetur. (Therefore the earth is not in motion in any way)




    After all these commentaries, he concluded that to be stable, the earth must be flat: Necesse est terram, ad hoc quod quiescat, habere figuram latam:( that if the earth is to be at rest, it has to be flat.) nam figura sphærica facile mobilis est quia in modico tangit superficiem, sed figura lata secundum se totam tangit superficiem, et ideo est apta ad quietem. (For a spherical shape is easy to move, because so little of it is in contact with a plane; but a wide shape is totally in contact with a plane, and is consequently apt for rest and to be firm.)



    that is right - St Thomas said that the earth must be flat!

    OK - from there things have only gone down - We got William of Ockham, the decline of the feudal catholic order. The decay of the Holy Roman empire, the french kings started getting cocky against the pope, we got people almost universally accepting globe earth, then we got the pagan revival, which got so bad that the pope nearly whitewashed the sistine chapel. we got heliocentrist revival. We got the emergence of the Jєωιѕн banking system. This grew out of the kabbalistic magick called alchemy where they would attempt to turn ores into gold with a universal solvent, under the banking system (usury) time became the universal solvent which made gold by interest (usury)

    Then we got the end of the 4th era of the church - luther. 1517, led to 30 years war and the wicked peace of westphalia, protestantism in prussia (would lead to division in the hoy roman empire, and division of the germans between prussia and austria).

    we got the "glorious revolution" agaisnt the catholic king, then establishment of the grand lodge on 1717,
    we got the age of revolutions, we got ww1 we got communism in 1917.

    these all align with the old testament funnily, then we got the rise of fascism which is a true anomaly considering two things.

    Fascism was a truly Catholic movement, and when comparing it with the old testament timeline it seemed to be the period of time where the persians gave the ebrews a city state, there was only the time of antochines epihpines after that (the antichrist). this could only mean one ting.

    The sixth age of the church already happened - pius XII was the angelic pontiff (matches with the st malachy propjhecy), and the GCM was one of the fascist leaders.


    in 1945 - same year as the end of fascism in italy and germany, augustin bea was made confessor to the pope, this lead to the appointmen of roncalli as cardinal, which led ti the v2 antichurch to whore of babylon.


    In cocluson- its only down from here folks, the antichrist is coming. this does not mean blackpilling though.

    Because -
    But when these things begin to come to pass, look up, and lift up your heads, because your redemption is at hand.



    PS - fascism in italy lasted for 23 years

    reminds me of "20 years of good harvest"


    also resources on how fascism is in fact catholic

    https://ia801308.us.archive.org/15/items/was-hitler-catholic-2nd-ed_202402/Was%20Hitler%20Catholic-2ndEd.pdf
    https://hitlerlovedchrist.substack.com/p/hitler-loved-christ?utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
    https://archive.org/details/ldjlj







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    Re: Where it all went down
    « Reply #1 on: March 03, 2025, 07:06:39 PM »
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  • But we know from Fr berrys exegesis of the apocalypse that even after the antichrist comes there could be a catholkc restoration - he predicted that there could be a long long time between the defeat of the antichrist and the second coming of our Lord
    https://archive.org/details/berry-apocalypse



    another note - unfortunately after the coming of the bogus ordo many former great fascist and catholic leaders fell or apostasised


    1. Degrelle - Assaulted a priest, excommunicated by a real pope, ended up becoming a novus ordite
    2. Franco - Abandoned fascism for opus dei capitalism. Became novus ordite, this was easy considering there was no primo rivera to stop him. Did not apoint the true ings of spain (carlist sucessors) when he died.
    3. Mosley - entered prison a fascist nationalist, left prison a golbalist who wanted all of europe to unite, and a marxist. (european socialism(sounds alot like comintern))


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    Re: Where it all went down
    « Reply #2 on: March 04, 2025, 02:40:17 AM »
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  • After all these commentaries, he concluded that to be stable, the earth must be flat: Necesse est terram, ad hoc quod quiescat, habere figuram latam:( that if the earth is to be at rest, it has to be flat.) nam figura sphærica facile mobilis est quia in modico tangit superficiem, sed figura lata secundum se totam tangit superficiem, et ideo est apta ad quietem. (For a spherical shape is easy to move, because so little of it is in contact with a plane; but a wide shape is totally in contact with a plane, and is consequently apt for rest and to be firm.)

    that is right - St Thomas said that the earth must be flat!

    OK - from there things have only gone down - We got William of Ockham, the decline of the feudal catholic order. The decay of the Holy Roman empire, the french kings started getting cocky against the pope, we got people almost universally accepting globe earth, then we got the pagan revival, which got so bad that the pope nearly whitewashed the sistine chapel. we got heliocentrist revival. We got the emergence of the Jєωιѕн banking system. This grew out of the kabbalistic magick called alchemy where they would attempt to turn ores into gold with a universal solvent, under the banking system (usury) time became the universal solvent which made gold by interest (usury)
    This is the first time I've seen this. Would you have a reference please to the source? 

    And yes, this does coincide with when the Christian world started to devour itself. Those who have read "The Occult Renaissance, Church of Rome" by Michael Hoffman will understand. 

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    Re: Where it all went down
    « Reply #3 on: March 04, 2025, 03:27:28 AM »
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  • This is the first time I've seen this. Would you have a reference please to the source?

    And yes, this does coincide with when the Christian world started to devour itself. Those who have read "The Occult Renaissance, Church of Rome" by Michael Hoffman will understand.
    The st Thomas quote? I got it from a resistance priest from flat earth trads

    https://flatearthtrads.com

    it is a bit ambiguous on where the quote comes from but I’m assuming it is from 

    Aristoteles Stagiritæ De Cæelo et Mundo, considering he would have quoted a different book if it was from a different book.

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    Re: Where it all went down
    « Reply #4 on: March 04, 2025, 04:10:35 AM »
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  • I looked it up with AI:

    Thomas Aquinas's Necesse Est Terram

    [color=var(--color-text-secondary)][color=var(--color-text-interactive)]Saint Thomas Aquinas wrote "Necesse est terram, ad hoc quod quiescat, habere figuram latam" in his work De Coelo et Mundo, which is part of his commentaries and writings on Aristotle's De Caelo. However, the context provided does not specify the exact date of this writing. The work De Coelo et Mundo was written during his time in Paris and Cologne, which is generally around 1250-1256, but the precise date within this period is not given in the provided context.[/color][/font][/size][/color]



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    Re: Where it all went down
    « Reply #5 on: March 04, 2025, 01:35:24 PM »
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  • I expected the major controversy to be my conclusion that the sixth age of the church already happened