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Online josefamenendez

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Re: Horrifying pictures of full term Aborted Babies recently obtained
« Reply #30 on: April 06, 2022, 07:23:47 PM »
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    Offline songbird

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    Re: Horrifying pictures of full term Aborted Babies recently obtained
    « Reply #31 on: April 06, 2022, 07:57:00 PM »
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    • Mark 
    79 replied to songbird, that placenta fetal cells injections were ok, for joints.  I disagree, and gave to Mark79 links with articles saying that different stages of of a baby, such as 3 months in womb were best for harvesting and he still said it was ok!
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    Re: Horrifying pictures of full term Aborted Babies recently obtained
    « Reply #32 on: April 06, 2022, 08:01:32 PM »
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    • I recall it was Human Life International, and I do believe it was her, and that was a long time ago.  It is true, that these pro-life groups and Lifesite.news can be quoted for saying how pro-life new order bishops are.  I totally disagree.  As long as the new order dioceses take on catholic charities, they ARE in the know that they support more than abortion for the agenda of the federal gov't.
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    Re: Horrifying pictures of full term Aborted Babies recently obtained
    « Reply #33 on: April 06, 2022, 08:04:37 PM »
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    • One of Stephanie Block's book is titled: Change Agents: Alinskyian organizing among religious bodies Volume 3.  I bought 3 of her books; i am lead to believe she has 5 books.
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    Re: Horrifying pictures of full term Aborted Babies recently obtained
    « Reply #34 on: April 06, 2022, 08:15:33 PM »
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    • Judie Brown, American Life League, excuse me. It was her, that spoke highly of Bishop Olmsted of the Phoenix Dioceses when he first came on. That was 20 years?  I did contact her to tell her, all dioceses take on catholic charities and Phoenix most certainly did.  He knows and they all know they serve the agenda of the federal gov't.  I can not give to her group as long as they too, support those who support abortion.  my emails were kicked back.  I mailed her docuмents to prove my point.  I was reading federal grants in the 90's under Governor Mecham.  And Lifesite.news in one of their articles, states the words of Judie Brown, supporting the new very pro-life Bishop. I told Lifesite.news the same thing, and they would not allow me to give replies.  I call that a wake up call!
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    Re: Horrifying pictures of full term Aborted Babies recently obtained
    « Reply #35 on: April 06, 2022, 08:30:53 PM »
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    • Quote from: songbird on April 06, 2022, 07:57:00 PM
    Mark
    79 replied to songbird, that placenta fetal cells injections were ok, for joints.  I disagree, and gave to Mark79 links with articles saying that different stages of of a baby, such as 3 months in womb were best for harvesting and he still said it was ok!
    So where are the links that illustrates your claim, both about the placental issue and Mark’s alledged statement? When you make such claims you need to back them up with evidence.

    I see you have corrected yourself about Human Life International being “under Judie Brown”. It is important to be more careful and to provide evidence when you make accusations.
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    Re: Horrifying pictures of full term Aborted Babies recently obtained
    « Reply #36 on: April 06, 2022, 09:21:01 PM »
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    • Quote from: Nadir on April 06, 2022, 08:30:53 PM
    So where are the links that illustrates your claim, both about the placental issue and Mark’s alledged statement? When you make such claims you need to back them up with evidence.

    I see you have corrected yourself about Human Life International being “under Judie Brown”. It is important to be more careful and to provide evidence when you make accusations.
    All too common on cathinfo
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    Re: Horrifying pictures of full term Aborted Babies recently obtained
    « Reply #37 on: April 06, 2022, 10:24:36 PM »
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    • Quote from: songbird on April 06, 2022, 07:57:00 PM

    Mark
    79 replied to songbird, that placenta fetal [emphasis added] cells injections were ok, for joints.  I disagree, and gave to Mark79 links with articles saying that different stages of of a baby, such as 3 months in womb were best for harvesting and he still said it was ok!

    "fetal" = baby

    "placental" = afterbirth, not baby

    "placenta fetal" is a really stupid oxymoron equivalent to "not baby/baby."

    I have never ever anywhere to anyone said harvesting parts from 3 month old babies is acceptable.

    I have never ever anywhere to anyone said harvesting placentas from 3 month in utero babies is acceptable. Damaging the placenta at that gestational age would likely damage the baby.

    In no way shape or form do I advocate anything remotely as you said.

    Even if stem cells harvested at 3 months are "better" (more efficacious medically), the risk to the baby is immoral and unacceptable.

    Placental (not baby) stem cells harvested from the afterbirth (not baby) can be harvested without any harm to full-term babies. Doctors used to throw away the afterbirth. Now doctors use the tissues from the afterbirth to good effect—not using only stem cells, but even using amniotic membranes, umbilical cord blood, Wharton's Jelly, stromal tissue, etc.

    Reputable tissue banks use only placentas from carefully screened (medically and socially, no diseases, no crack whores) women having repeat C-sections. Though there was a brief period in the 90's when it was trendy to try to have a vaginal delivery after a first C-section, that fad justifiably passed quickly (concern for uterine rupture during vaginal delivery after a previous C-section). Currently the rule of thumb is "once a C-section, always a C-section." Because the second C-section is scheduled, it is much easier to arrange business hours care of the placental tissue than it is for an emergency C-section in the middle of the night.

    If you are going to make claims about what I have said, I'd really appreciate it if you'd get it right.


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    Re: Horrifying pictures of full term Aborted Babies recently obtained
    « Reply #38 on: April 07, 2022, 11:48:44 AM »
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    • @songbird

    I see that you logged in about two hours after I PM'd you and made the post immediately above.  I see that you also logged in within the hour of this post, but not a peep from you.

    If I had wrongly accused you, I would have apologized and retracted the accusation within minutes of learning my error.

    Essentially you accused me of advocating harvesting of tissue from babies in the womb. I did not, do not, and never will advocate such heinous sin.

    Your post makes clear that you did not understand the distinction between what is a baby and what is not a baby (the afterbirth). Your post makes clear that you did not understand the distinction between ante-partun (before birth) and post-partum (after the baby is delivered/born) harvesting of placental (afterbirth, not baby) tissue.

    In the future, if you decide you need to accuse me of heinous sin, please be so kind as to confirm the details before you post such damaging accusations.

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