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Fr. Altier: Coronavirus - The Truth Revealed
« on: September 14, 2020, 05:41:24 AM »
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    • Watch "Fr. Altier: Coronavirus - The Truth Revealed" on YouTube



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    Re: Fr. Altier: Coronavirus - The Truth Revealed
    « Reply #1 on: September 14, 2020, 10:11:57 AM »
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    • See also here (same sermon).
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    Re: Fr. Altier: Coronavirus - The Truth Revealed
    « Reply #2 on: September 14, 2020, 05:47:01 PM »
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    • Quote from: PAT317 on September 14, 2020, 10:11:57 AM
    See also here (same sermon).
    :incense: The more we can do to spread it the better.
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    Re: Fr. Altier: Coronavirus - The Truth Revealed
    « Reply #3 on: September 14, 2020, 06:29:48 PM »
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    • Quote from: Nadir on September 14, 2020, 05:47:01 PM

    The more we can do to spread it the better.

    This is my first encounter with this priest, and I am impressed. Thank you.

    Father Altier is forthright while avoiding harangue or sarcasm, and he is knowledgeable and informed without obsessing over pointless detail. He sees how the current faux crisis represents an attack on both the Faith and whatever is natural, healthy, and desirable in secular society, and he lucidly explains to his congregation why they too should see what he does. Moreover, he plainly understands that a sermon is different in kind from a lecture or a briefing—all too many don't!—and he addresses his congregation with a combination of respect, familiarity, and easygoing authority that is both hard to pull off and very winning to experience.
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    Re: Fr. Altier: Coronavirus - The Truth Revealed
    « Reply #4 on: September 14, 2020, 06:37:41 PM »
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    • Quote from: claudel on September 14, 2020, 06:29:48 PM
    This is my first encounter with this priest, and I am impressed. Thank you.

    Father Altier is forthright while avoiding harangue or sarcasm, and he is knowledgeable and informed without obsessing over pointless detail. He sees how the current faux crisis represents an attack on both the Faith and whatever is natural, healthy, and desirable in secular society, and he lucidly explains to his congregation why they too should see what he does. Moreover, he plainly understands that a sermon is different in kind from a lecture or a briefing—all too many don't!—and he addresses his congregation with a combination of respect, familiarity, and easygoing authority that is both hard to pull off and very winning to experience.

    I see this sermon already has 212k views thus far; surprised they are not removing it yet.

    I knew this priest when I was still conservative NOM in the late 1990’s.  He was at the Church of St. Agnes in St. Paul, and had a good reputation for piety and for getting in trouble with the Bishop.  FWIW, he sometimes says the TLM.

    Not terribly surprised to see this sermon coming from him.
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    Re: Fr. Altier: Coronavirus - The Truth Revealed
    « Reply #5 on: September 14, 2020, 06:56:16 PM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on September 14, 2020, 06:37:41 PM

    … [he] had a good reputation for piety and for getting in trouble with the Bishop.

    How rueful that the Faith and society should both be so topsy-turvy that getting in trouble with one's bishop would, as often as not, be rightly taken as a plus nowadays!
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    Re: Fr. Altier: Coronavirus - The Truth Revealed
    « Reply #6 on: September 16, 2020, 10:14:27 PM »
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    • I forwarded this video of Fr Altier to family and friends. I would like to share with you one response from a family member.

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    I have not listened to such utter rubbish in a long time.  I will not be sharing the article or even discussing it with family or friends. For an intelligent woman you are being irrational and carefully choosing where your 'information' comes from on the subject. I think you have been brainwashed and are  dry (sic) much misinformed. As the saying goes, we are fighting 2 wars: the war against COVID-19 and the war against stupidity. Hopefully we’ll win the war
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    Thank you, xxxx, for responding according to your sincere opinion. It is nice to have a clear picture of where you stand, and now that I know that, which I value, I will not send you anything else. 

    Just to explain, I have a lot of evidence for what I send, I restrain myself from sending to people who will not value what I send, but there are occasional particular items which I think are too good not to send; and that it would be remiss of me not to share. We find ourselves in this dilemma , which sets neighbour against neighbour, friend against friend, brother against sister, truth against falsehood.

    Brainwashing results from continually and uncritically imbibing material which is repeated ad nauseam until the recipient comes to the point, sooner or later, of taking it on board as a belief system which is resistant to any painful change. The first victim is the truth. That's just not me!

    There is only one Truth. One of us is right and the other is wrong.  Time will reveal who and what it is. 

    Yet again, I have been called brainwashed, but you and nobody in our family is able to articulate a reasonable argument against anything I have sent, which speaks volumes for deciphering just who is brainwashed. I am merely opposed by ad hominems. C'est la vie! 

    Love,
    "Nadir"
     
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    Re: Fr. Altier: Coronavirus - The Truth Revealed
    « Reply #7 on: September 17, 2020, 02:55:42 AM »
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    • Quote from: Nadir on September 16, 2020, 10:14:27 PM

    I forwarded this video of Fr Altier to family and friends. I would like to share with you one response from a family member.
    and my response …

    In a sense, the intemperateness of the response is hardly surprising. It's far easier to snap at you than to come to grips with the possibility that he or she has been played for a fool by the secular authorities for nine months.

    Fully thirty or forty years ago, a priest told me that there were many more instances of deathbed repentance in fiction than in life. He said that even with the prospect of eternal punishment staring them in the face, most people could not bring themselves to say, "I have been wrong all these years." Your relative's situation is, thank heaven, far less fraught, but the underlying psychology is the same.
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    Re: Fr. Altier: Coronavirus - The Truth Revealed
    « Reply #8 on: September 25, 2020, 11:17:56 AM »
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    • Demonstrating the utter futility of being a truth-teller within the conciliar church, as predicted, Fr. Altier has been punished for his courageous sermon on the COVID19 hoax:


    [color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.870588)][color=rgba(255, 255, 255, 0.870588)]LETTER FROM ARCHBISHOP BERNARD A. HEBDA CONCERNING REV. ROBERT ALTIER AND HIS COMMENTS ABOUT THE COVID-19 PANDEMIC[/color]
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    [color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.870588)][color=rgba(99, 99, 99, 0.870588)]  Announcements  Letter from Archbishop Bernard A. Hebda Concerning Rev. Robert Altier and His Comments About the COVID-19 Pandemic[/color]

    Letter from Archbishop Bernard A. Hebda Concerning Rev. Robert Altier and His Comments About the COVID-19 Pandemic

    [color=rgba(165, 165, 165, 0.870588)] September 22, 2020     [/color]

    Dear Brothers and Sisters in Christ,
    The Archdiocese of Saint Paul and Minneapolis is blessed with many fine priests. We have reason to expect them to teach the truth of the Gospel, faithfully passing on the teachings of our Church. None of our priests or bishops, however, is an expert in public health, infectious disease, epidemiology or immunology. It would be a mistake to attribute any expertise in these areas to us simply on the basis of our ordination.
    I have spoken with Fr. Robert Altier about a recent sermon posted online as “The Coronavirus: the Truth Revealed.” He remains firm in his opinions on the pandemic situation, but he has acknowledged that his remarks were inappropriate in the context of a homily during Mass. The General Instruction on the Roman Missal (n. 65) directs that the homily “should be an explanation of some aspect of the readings from Sacred Scripture or of another text from the Ordinary or the Proper of the Mass of the day and should take into account both the mystery being celebrated and the particular needs of the listeners.” Pope Francis has said that it is to be “a consoling encounter with God’s word, a constant source of renewal and growth” (Evangelii gaudium, 135).
    The use of a homily to present medical or scientific speculation does not serve that noble purpose and could be seen as an abuse of the cleric’s position of authority to address an issue unrelated to the liturgical celebration. In the context of the liturgy, no member of the assembly, even if the world’s greatest expert in this area, would have been in a position to contradict Fr. Altier or to offer alternative points of reference.
    I have consulted with the Minnesota Department of Health and they provided a critique of some of the points mentioned in the sermon. I have attached those commentsto this letter. I also consulted the local chapter of the Catholic Medical Association and learned that they too considered some of Fr. Altier’s affirmations to be “erroneous” and that they essentially shared the critique by the Minnesota Department of Health (other than the section on vaccinations). They referred me to the excellent resources available at the website of the national Catholic Medical Association (See https://www.cathmed.org/programs-resources/cma-resources/coronavirus-resources/).
    Allow me to note that the Catholic Church has long recognized that there are at times ethical questions involved in the production of vaccines. Back in April, bishops serving as committee chairmen at the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops voiced to the Food and Drug Administration that, “It is critically important that Americans have access to a vaccine that is produced ethically: no American should be forced to choose between being vaccinated against this potentially deadly virus and violating his or her conscience.” The bishops stressed that there was no need to use ethically problematic cell lines to produce a COVID vaccine, or any vaccine, as other cell lines or processes that do not involve cells from abortions are available and are regularly being used to produce other vaccines. (See https://www.usccb.org/resources/Letter-to-FDA-urging-ethical-COVID-vaccines.pdf).
    Catholic theologians and ethicists continue to rigorously study developments in this area. Those looking for reliable resources would do well to consult the website of the National Catholic Bioethics Center (NCBC) (https://www.ncbcenter.org/ncbc-resources-for-covid19). A recent podcast can be found at https://www.ncbcenter.org/bioethics-on-air-podcast-cms/episode-43-further-ethical-perspectives-on-covid-19-vaccines. There will surely be more teaching in this area from the Holy See, the USCCB, and the Archdiocese in the months to come. Just this week a statement was jointly issued by the NCBC and Catholic Medical Association on this topic: https://www.cathmed.org/cma-ncbc-issue-public-comment-re-covid-19-immunization-practices/.
    Additional materials on the vaccination question will be provided as they become available. In the meantime, please join me in praying for all those who are sick with COVID-19, those who care for them, those who are working on vaccines, and all those individuals and families affected in any way by the pandemic. Our Lady, Health of the Sick, pray for us.
    With the promise of my prayers, I remain,
    Sincerely in Christ,
    Most Reverend Bernard A. Hebda
    Archbishop of Saint Paul and Minneapolis
     
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