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Re: Hiroshima and Nagasaki Were Shameful War Crimes
« Reply #45 on: August 13, 2023, 06:06:27 PM »
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  • Lad, when God commands it so, killing civilians in principle must be justified.

    The Israelites killing entire populations and cattle was a scorched earth policy, and it must justified.

    We're not Marcionists.

    2 Corinthians 4:3-4 

    And if our gospel be also hid, it is hid to them that are lost, In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of unbelievers, that the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should not shine unto them.

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    Re: Hiroshima and Nagasaki Were Shameful War Crimes
    « Reply #46 on: August 13, 2023, 06:06:57 PM »
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  • Innocent civilians you say, never be justified?

    Is this intrinsically the case?

    What about the commands given to the Israelites to destroy entire nations, including infants and young children?

    You've got a good point Trad123...

    The annihilation of Nagasaki's Catholic population ultimately happened because our forefathers failed to follow His earlier command:

    Deuteronomy 20

    16 But of those cities that shall be given thee, thou shalt suffer none at all to live:
    17 But shalt kill them with the edge of the sword, to wit, the Hethite, and the Amorrhite, and the Chanaanite, the Pherezite, and the Hevite, and the Jebusite, as the Lord thy God hath commanded thee:
    18 Lest they teach you to do all the abominations which they have done to their gods: and you should sin against the Lord your God.

    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi


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    Re: Hiroshima and Nagasaki Were Shameful War Crimes
    « Reply #47 on: August 13, 2023, 06:12:32 PM »
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  • If we were Israelite men during those times, would we sin by disobeying God's command to commit such violence?
    2 Corinthians 4:3-4 

    And if our gospel be also hid, it is hid to them that are lost, In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of unbelievers, that the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should not shine unto them.

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    Re: Hiroshima and Nagasaki Were Shameful War Crimes
    « Reply #48 on: August 13, 2023, 06:15:21 PM »
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  • A quick death by atomic bomb seems to be a more merciful death, rather than coming up to your enemy and plunging a sword into their flesh, at least for those in the immediate vicinity of the bomb. 
    2 Corinthians 4:3-4 

    And if our gospel be also hid, it is hid to them that are lost, In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of unbelievers, that the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should not shine unto them.

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    Re: Hiroshima and Nagasaki Were Shameful War Crimes
    « Reply #49 on: August 13, 2023, 06:16:57 PM »
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  • If we were Israelite men during those times, would we sin by disobeying God's command to commit such violence?
     
    We must assume the Judeans did sin and grievously since the children of those they failed to "neutralize" are now trying to murder and enslave us.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi


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    Re: Hiroshima and Nagasaki Were Shameful War Crimes
    « Reply #50 on: August 13, 2023, 06:20:27 PM »
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  • We must assume the Judeans did sin and grievously since the children of those they failed to "neutralize" are now trying to murder and enslave us.

    As an Israelite man during that time, would you be willing to plunge a sword through an infant, at God's command?

    Sparing the child, a mortal sin?
    2 Corinthians 4:3-4 

    And if our gospel be also hid, it is hid to them that are lost, In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of unbelievers, that the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should not shine unto them.

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    Re: Hiroshima and Nagasaki Were Shameful War Crimes
    « Reply #51 on: August 13, 2023, 06:56:39 PM »
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  • As an Israelite man during that time, would you be willing to plunge a sword through an infant, at God's command?

    Sparing the child, a mortal sin?

    There's a precedent established by our Forefather.

    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: Hiroshima and Nagasaki Were Shameful War Crimes
    « Reply #52 on: August 13, 2023, 06:59:50 PM »
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  • There's a precedent established by our Forefather.


    Incred, an angel stopped him before he completed the act, and he substituted a ram in place of his son.
    2 Corinthians 4:3-4 

    And if our gospel be also hid, it is hid to them that are lost, In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of unbelievers, that the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should not shine unto them.


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    Re: Hiroshima and Nagasaki Were Shameful War Crimes
    « Reply #53 on: August 13, 2023, 09:37:46 PM »
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  • https://www.unz.com/kbarrett/the-h0Ɩ0cαųst-and-nuclear-h0Ɩ0cαųst/

    "The h0Ɩ0cαųst" and Nuclear h0Ɩ0cαųst
    fαℓѕє fℓαg Weekly News commentators explore the hidden connections
    KEVIN BARRETT • AUGUST 13, 2023


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    Is “the h0Ɩ0cαųst” inciting nuclear h0Ɩ0cαųst? That’s the contention, in a nutshell, of Anthony Hall’s article “Addressing ‘The’ h0Ɩ0cαųst in an Era of Heightened Danger of Nuclear h0Ɩ0cαųst,” which inspired the AI-assisted image above. Citing another fαℓѕє fℓαg Weekly News contributor, E. Michael Jones, who recently reviewed the film Oppenheimer, Hall writes:


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    Jones congratulates the movie maker, Christopher Nolan, for putting front and centre the thesis that the Manhattan Project was first and foremost a Jєωιѕн project. Robert Oppenheimer was the team leader of the Los Alamos group that produced the original A-bombs. Prof. Jones makes a parallel between what happened in 1945, when the US Armed Forces obliterated Hiroshima and Nagasaki with the new type of weapon, and what is going on now…As Prof. Jones sees it, the large Jєωιѕн contingent currently dominating the foreign policy apparatus of the United States seems to mean business in pushing forward the possibility of a US-driven nuclear confrontation with China and Russia. In trying to show the connections between many historical and contemporary dots, the commentator expresses the view that The h0Ɩ0cαųst has provided the dominant narrative defining much about the order and disorder engulfing us. As Jones sees it, the US Empire, which became a worldwide infrastructure of imperial power after 1945, grew up on the foundations of The h0Ɩ0cαųst narrative.
    How does the mainstream h0Ɩ0cαųst narrative alleging the murder of six million Jєωs, mostly in gas chambers, as part of an early-1940s official German government total-extermination program, drive the world toward nuclear h0Ɩ0cαųst today? For Dr. Jones and to a lesser extent Dr. Hall, the h0Ɩ0cαųst narrative has sparked the rise of a bitterly vindictive, fanatically self-righteous Jєωιѕн elite that has seized control of US and Western imperial policy and is driving it over the nuclear cliff. For Jones, there is a theological as well as political dimension to the tragedy: He sees today’s “Jєωs” as descendants of the people who rejected Jesus, and attributes to them a “revolutionary spirit” bent on denying, rejecting, or overthrowing God and His creation. That destructive impulse towards God and creation is, in Jones’s view, a key factor driving the world towards nuclear war.

    The development of nuclear weapons may have been a largely Jєωιѕн project propelled by scientists who feared and hated Hitler. But it is far from clear that the world’s first two nuclear h0Ɩ0cαųsts—the twin sacrifices of the populations of Hiroshima and Nagasaki in fiery burnt offerings—were primarily the work of Jєωs. Overall, Oppenheimer and his fellow Jєωιѕн scientists seem to have been, if anything, less enthusiastic about those bombings than their non-Jєωιѕн counterparts. Gen. Leslie Groves, very much a goy, directed the Manhattan Project and according to Greg Mitchell among others “fiercely promoted using the first bomb and stifled attempts by scientists (not including Oppenheimer) to convince Truman otherwise.” Groves was also, according to Mitchell, “the man perhaps most responsible for the Nagasaki bomb”—which, by alleged coincidence, detonated directly above Nagasaki’s cathedral, the center of heroic Christianity in Asia. (Nagasaki’s Christians were the descendants of persecutions that made Rome’s look like proverbial tea parties.) We are told that bad visibility caused the bombing team to randomly defecate their payload, which like bird excrement over a luckless bald man, just happened to drop directly above the dome. One might be excused for doubting that coincidence theory: David Dionisi certainly does. (Check out my interview with Dionisi and James Perloff’s book review.)


    But freemasonic ritual or not, the twin h0Ɩ0cαųsts of 1945 were certainly satanic. Gary Kohls writes:

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    At 11:02 am, during Thursday morning mass, hundreds of Nagasaki Christians were boiled, evaporated, carbonized or otherwise disappeared in a scorching, radioactive fireball that exploded 500 meters above the cathedral. The black rain that soon came down from the mushroom cloud contained the mingled cellular remains of many Nagasaki Shintoists, Buddhists and Christians. The theological implications of Nagasaki’s Black Rain surely should boggle the minds of theologians of all denominations. Most Nagasaki Christians did not survive the blast. 6,000 of them died instantly, including all who were at confession that morning. Of the 12,000 church members, 8,500 of them eventually died as a result of the bomb. Many of the others were seriously sickened with a highly lethal entirely new disease: radiation sickness.
    The nuclear incinerations of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, like the less-high-tech burnings of Tokyo and Dresden and other cities, were h0Ɩ0cαųsts in the word’s two primary senses: “mass slaughters of civilians” and “burnt offerings, fiery sacrifices.” The big-H h0Ɩ0cαųst, by contrast, may have involved the mass killing of civilians, but is said to have been done by gas and bullets, not fire. So how did it come to be called a h0Ɩ0cαųst? According to Josh Fleet, a former kosher winemaker and founder of Phish тαℓмυd:
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    The usage came about gradually. The lower-case “h0Ɩ0cαųst” has described the violent deaths of large groups of people probably since the 18th century, according the Oxford English Dictionary. Before World War II, the word was used by Winston Churchill and others to refer to the genocide of Armenians during World War I. In 1933, “h0Ɩ0cαųst” was first associated with the nαzιs after a major book burning. And after Word War II, the “Final Solution” was often called a h0Ɩ0cαųst. By the 1960s, according to the Jєωιѕн Magazine, it became common to refer to the nαzι genocide of Jєωs as “The h0Ɩ0cαųst.”
    That’s plausible, if still somewhat mysterious. But why did h0Ɩ0cαųst become associated with alleged gassing deaths, rather than the burning deaths of Hiroshima and Nagasaki (and Tokyo and Dresden)?* Because the corpses of the alleged Jєωιѕн gassing victims are said to have been burned (which conveniently explains the paucity of forensic evidence)? Fleet:
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    Still, the magnitude and uniqueness of this catastrophic event in Jєωιѕн history transcends the meaning of words and defies understanding. Yes, many of nαzι’s victims (sic) were consumed wholly by flame. But was this some sort of divine retribution for the sins of a nation? “I wouldn’t want to know the God who sacrificed these people,” (h0Ɩ0cαųst Studies professor Michael) Berenbaum said.
    That last paragraph is quite revealing. The real meaning of The h0Ɩ0cαųst, for the likes of Fleet and Berenbaum, is that it transcends meaning and defies understanding. In other words, it must not be thought or spoken of rationally or empirically or historically, but only theologically. Like the God of negative theology and mysticism, The h0Ɩ0cαųst is absolutely unique and ineffable. But h0Ɩ0cαųst worship goes beyond negative theology and becomes anti-theology. The whole point is to deny and revile God: “I wouldn’t want to know the God who sacrificed these people.” Which brings us back to square one: E. Michael Jones’s contention that Jєωs are at war with God and His creation.


    I’m not sure that’s entirely true of pre-h0Ɩ0cαųst Jєωs. Many of them just worshipped G*d like the rest of us. But it does seem to fit the post-h0Ɩ0cαųst Jєωιѕн zeitgeist. My first religious studies mentor, Jacob Needleman, Allah yarhamhu, memorably told me that the h0Ɩ0cαųst had had a catastrophic effect on the Western world’s faith in God, starting with the Jєωs. “How can you believe in a God who allowed THAT to happen” has become the rallying cry of all manner of atheism, irreligion, blasphemy, and satanism (as well as some pretty decent Protestant theology, but that’s an outlying exception).


    In conclusion, I’m afraid that my esteemed fαℓѕє fℓαg Weekly News colleagues are right: In the emerging Godless world, anchored by the official h0Ɩ0cαųst narrative that explains why we must all revile God and deny Him and rebel against Him, ethnic-but-not-religious Jєωs, with their persecution complex and maniacally paranoid tribalism and insufferable self-righteousness and Straussian machevellianism, have become the ideological, financial, and political leaders of the American Empire—and are driving it, and the world, toward nuclear destruction.

    *A Freudian attuned to the unconscious’s genius at word-play designed to hide unpleasant truth from conscious awareness might wonder whether the transfer of the word h0Ɩ0cαųst from the all-too-real h0Ɩ0cαųsts of Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Tokyo, Dresden, etc. to the exaggerated propaganda version of Germany’s ethnic cleansing of European Jєωs, was intended to hide the guilt of the Allies—who had perpetrated many real, fiery h0Ɩ0cαųsts—by falsely blaming a not-so-firey “h0Ɩ0cαųst” on their German victims.

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    anarchyst says:
    I wouldn’t discount the “Samson Option”.
    The zionists are stupid enough to try it, especially if the world goes against them and demands a real solution to the “Palestinian situation”. Notice that I did not call the Palestinian situation a “problem” as it is the foreign zionist Jєω interlopers who are the “problem”.
    Keep in mind that no country that possesses live “nukes” will be attacked or invaded. North Korea, India, Pakistan, and other countries are smart to keep their nukes under wraps and not succuмb to the demands of “international nuclear arms inspectors”. This is the only thing keeping the world “deep state” from attacking them.
    That being said, the same should apply to israel (but does not). Every country’s nukes are within the borders of their respective countries, but not so for israel. You see, israel’s nukes are already “in place” and as such, no delivery systems are needed. Israel’s nuclear “Damocles swords” are in major cities around the world and are ready to go at a moment’s notice. This is a major reason why israel refuses to allow “international nuclear arms inspectors” to perform inspections. Israel could not account for all of its nukes.
    The next “9-11” will be a nuclear detonation (not an exchange or other conflagration) in a major American or European city. Look for an israeli nuke to be detonated in Los Angeles, Chicago or Atlanta. “Jєω York City” is “off-limits” as it is the Jєωιѕн seat of power in the USA. European targets will be Rome, Brussels or Paris. Jєωs would LOVE to destroy the seat of the Roman Catholic Church, so look at Rome as being a prime target.
    Of course, the nuclear detonation will be blamed on an Arab country, passports being found in the “rubble”, just as with 9-11 (yeah, right).
    If I had my way, israel would be “embargoed” until it produces ALL of its nukes for international inspection.






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    Re: Hiroshima and Nagasaki Were Shameful War Crimes
    « Reply #54 on: August 14, 2023, 05:38:50 PM »
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  • Incred, an angel stopped him before he completed the act, and he substituted a ram in place of his son.

    Trad,  My point is Abraham obeyed God's command and the latter did not.

    It's a good bet no Angels would have arrived to stop the Canaanite slaughter.
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