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Title: Hiroshima and Nagasaki Were Shameful War Crimes
Post by: cassini on August 03, 2023, 04:41:36 AM

Interesting view on that dreadful bombing. More so when you know these two cities were the most Catholic in Japan.

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2023/08/jacob-hornberger/hiroshima-and-nagasaki-were-shameful-war-crimes/

Title: Re: Hiroshima and Nagasaki Were Shameful War Crimes
Post by: Meg on August 03, 2023, 06:29:26 AM

I think too that the bombs dropped by the U.S. in Hiroshima and Nagasaki were actually dropped on Catholic cathedrals, since they were easier to see from the air. It has been rumored that Japan was already in the process of surrendering before the bombs were dropped, but that the U.S. wanted to proceed with the bomb drops as a sort of experiment to see how they would work. A really horrible thing to do, with all of the civilians killed.

Title: Re: Hiroshima and Nagasaki Were Shameful War Crimes
Post by: hansel on August 03, 2023, 07:41:21 AM

Quote from: cassini on August 03, 2023, 04:41:36 AM

Interesting view on that dreadful bombing. More so when you know these two cities were the most Catholic in Japan.

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2023/08/jacob-hornberger/hiroshima-and-nagasaki-were-shameful-war-crimes/

WWII is riddled with controversial and devastating bombing attacks that involved civilian centers. Others that come to mind include the horrific Allied firebombing of Dresden and other populous German residential cities, the German bombing of London during the "Blitz", etc. However, Hiroshima and Nagasaki are by far the most prominent and talked about.

An interesting statement made in the above article is that Japan's leadership was actually ready to surrender just before the bombs were dropped. This, if true, would eliminate the reasoning of the US's perceived "advantage" of using the bomb (in the minds of the Allied military leaders, less Japanese and Americans dead overall via bombing than an an all-out traditional hand-to-hand invasion of Japan). However, no specific resources supporting this are given in the article. Is anyone aware of any docuмentation from the Japanese military leadership in WWII that supports this idea of a definite willingness to surrender before the bomb was dropped?

While there were definitely Catholics (even many) in Japan, the Japanese military leadership and public at the time largely adhered to a pagan system of belief. This incorporated elements from the old Samurai code, in which death was preferred to dishonor and surrender or existing as the "loser" in an engagement was essentially prohibited (hence the ritual ѕυιcιdє committed by disgraced or defeated Japanese soldiers, and Japanese contempt for enemies who surrendered). The alleged thinking was that due to this philosophy, the Japanese civilians as well as the remaining military would have essentially fought a traditional hand-to-hand invasion "to the last man", with devastating losses on both sides. (ie, they would have basically committed ѕυιcιdє rather than lose in that way). While this still does not resolve the ethical questions regarding the bombings, if it is in fact true, it does not indicate a country ready to surrender according to Western principles. Thoughts or other resources regarding this?

Title: Re: Hiroshima and Nagasaki Were Shameful War Crimes
Post by: Mark 79 on August 03, 2023, 09:22:17 AM

There's a decent section on the Urakami Cathedral bombing in the context of the (((Nuremberg trials))) here: https://judaism.is/nuremberg.html#urakami (https://judaism.is/nuremberg.html#urakami)

A few years before they closed down, I visited the ABCC (Atomic Bomb Casualty Commission) in Hiroshima with one of my professors who consulted there. Duties prevented us from going on to Nagasaki that weekend, but even at a young age and imbued with American jingoism, the exhibits penetrated me with the full horror of the evil wrought by ʝʊdɛօ-Masonry. My politics have never been the same.

Title: Re: Hiroshima and Nagasaki Were Shameful War Crimes
Post by: songbird on August 03, 2023, 11:59:20 AM

Japan surrendered and the Pope was with that understanding. Secret Societies dropped the bombs and the bombings was experimental. I have 3 books that entail the experiments of the fall out and radiation damages to humans be they pregnant, women babies and such. Of course there are names and no remorse or sorrow. All words written, was the results. I picked up the books at an Estate Sale.

Title: Re: Hiroshima and Nagasaki Were Shameful War Crimes
Post by: Martius on August 03, 2023, 03:17:02 PM

Nukes are fake and gαy. Another Jєωιѕн boogey man :trollface: to scare everyone into submission during the cold war. It's so obvious even Rogan had to have that guy on showing the clips that looked fake to poison the well. The AP promptly debunked the baseless conspiracy theory.

Title: Re: Hiroshima and Nagasaki Were Shameful War Crimes
Post by: MiracleOfTheSun on August 03, 2023, 05:43:10 PM

Being taken prisoner as a Japanese soldier brought shame on themselves and the entire family. Hence their act of hari kari. Few surrendered. Even so, Robert McNamara, in the Fog of War docuмentary, talked of how many Japanese cities had been fire bombed by the U.S. and even at that late stage, and after the first mind-blowing nuke, it took a second nuke three days later for them to come to terms. War is Hell.

P.S. Don't play with fire.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6BspF9Ie9M&pp=ygUSdHNhciBib21iYSBmb290YWdl

Title: Re: Hiroshima and Nagasaki Were Shameful War Crimes
Post by: JoeZ on August 03, 2023, 08:27:23 PM

The Rape of Nanking was a Japanese gov policy worth mentioning. The 200,000+ murders and by some accounts 80,000 rapes were committed by masses of rank and file soldiers. General Prince Asaka ordered it but was immune to warcrimes.

God punishes evil people and usually uses evil people to do it.

Title: Re: Hiroshima and Nagasaki Were Shameful War Crimes
Post by: Ladislaus on August 03, 2023, 08:44:22 PM

Those here who might think the destruction of Dresden, Hiroshima, and Nagasaki were justified have lost their moral compass. Murder of innocent civilians can never be justified, as Catholic Moral Theology 101 is that the end does not justify the means.

Title: Re: Hiroshima and Nagasaki Were Shameful War Crimes
Post by: Always on August 03, 2023, 10:38:55 PM

Quote from: Ladislaus on August 03, 2023, 08:44:22 PM

Those here who might think the destruction of Dresden, Hiroshima, and Nagasaki were justified have lost their moral compass. Murder of innocent civilians can never be justified, as Catholic Moral Theology 101 is that the end does not justify the means.

Harry 33rd Degree Truman was apparently bound to a different compass.

(https://i.imgur.com/btyuOnU.png)

Title: Re: Hiroshima and Nagasaki Were Shameful War Crimes
Post by: cassini on August 04, 2023, 04:45:04 AM

Quote from: Ladislaus on August 03, 2023, 08:44:22 PM

Those here who might think the destruction of Dresden, Hiroshima, and Nagasaki were justified have lost their moral compass. Murder of innocent civilians can never be justified, as Catholic Moral Theology 101 is that the end does not justify the means.

Correct Ladislaus. That is what Homberger wrote in his article above.

Title: Re: Hiroshima and Nagasaki Were Shameful War Crimes
Post by: hansel on August 04, 2023, 07:30:13 AM

Quote from: Ladislaus on August 03, 2023, 08:44:22 PM

Those here who might think the destruction of Dresden, Hiroshima, and Nagasaki were justified have lost their moral compass. Murder of innocent civilians can never be justified, as Catholic Moral Theology 101 is that the end does not justify the means.

And the horrific fact is that in WWII, this destruction of civilian life was almost taken as a matter of course. All sides participated in it to some degree. It was the fruit of the "total war" concept espoused by William Tecuмseh Sherman back in the American cινιℓ ωαr and the Mongols centuries before that. Once you remove the publicly "romanticized" veneer from WWII (and other "modern" wars for that matter), it really reflects the modern collapse of morality and the general direction that led to our current state of society. Studying it is instructive in this regard, but very grim.

Not entirely a civilian incident, and slightly off-topic, but the Laconia Incident is a lesser known example of morally dubious attack orders on the part of the Allies. Long story short, it was actually the German u-boat captain who did the right thing in this situation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laconia_incident

http://www.uboataces.com/battle-laconia.shtml

Title: Re: Hiroshima and Nagasaki Were Shameful War Crimes
Post by: Bonaventure on August 04, 2023, 09:50:15 AM

In the wake of "Oppenheimer" and this thread, this is an interesting look at how the U.S. government has dealt with its citizens when it comes to furthering a war effort.

Collateral damage: American civilian survivors of the 1945 Trinity test
(https://thebulletin.org/premium/2023-07/collateral-damage-american-civilian-survivors-of-the-1945-trinity-test/)

Title: Re: Hiroshima and Nagasaki Were Shameful War Crimes
Post by: Ladislaus on August 04, 2023, 09:59:52 AM

I recall stories from the US cινιℓ ωαr about civilians packing picnic lunches and watching various battles. No one would ever have dared to attack civilians and non-combatants back then.

https://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/minute/Witness_Bull_Run.htm

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Men, women, and even children came to witness the predicted Union victory, bringing along picnic baskets and opera glasses. Bull Run soon became known as the "picnic battle." Among the civilian ranks were some of Congress's most powerful senators—many of whom had called for just such a campaign.

And this is to say nothing of whether the wars were just in the first places, and very few of them have been in the last couple hundred years.

Title: Re: Hiroshima and Nagasaki Were Shameful War Crimes
Post by: JoeZ on August 04, 2023, 02:41:59 PM

Quote from: Ladislaus on August 04, 2023, 09:59:52 AM

No one would ever have dared to attack civilians and non-combatants back then.

The French Acadian, Irish, and Vendee civilians certainly do not agree with you.

Title: Re: Hiroshima and Nagasaki Were Shameful War Crimes
Post by: AnthonyPadua on August 04, 2023, 08:13:25 PM

Quote from: JoeZ on August 03, 2023, 08:27:23 PM

The Rape of Nanking was a Japanese gov policy worth mentioning. The 200,000+ murders and by some accounts 80,000 rapes were committed by masses of rank and file soldiers. General Prince Asaka ordered it but was immune to warcrimes.

God punishes evil people and usually uses evil people to do it.

Not always the case. Many examples of good people in the gospel who were 'punished' but Jesus said it was for the glory of God (healing them).

Title: Re: Hiroshima and Nagasaki Were Shameful War Crimes
Post by: Viva Cristo Rey on August 04, 2023, 08:21:19 PM

Miracle of Hiroshima

https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/32445/the-miracle-of-hiroshima-–-jesuits-survived-the-atomic-bomb-thanks-to-the-rosary

Title: Re: Hiroshima and Nagasaki Were Shameful War Crimes
Post by: Mark 79 on August 04, 2023, 09:20:13 PM

Quote from: MiracleOfTheSun on August 03, 2023, 05:43:10 PM

Being taken prisoner as a Japanese soldier brought shame on themselves and the entire family. Hence their act of hari kari. Few surrendered. Even so, Robert McNamara, in the Fog of War docuмentary, talked of how many Japanese cities had been fire bombed by the U.S. and even at that late stage, and after the first mind-blowing nuke, it took a second nuke three days later for them to come to terms. War is Hell.

P.S. Don't play with fire.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6BspF9Ie9M&pp=ygUSdHNhciBib21iYSBmb290YWdl

The Japanese offered surrender as early as November 1944 and twice again until finally accepted in August 1945. In those months, approximately ¼ MILLION men, women, and children died in the Pacific "theater." Those deaths are on the heads if those who wanted to test their damned atomic bomb. It is a testament to the fact that the USA is at least as wicked as .gov/.ZOG's enemies.

Title: Re: Hiroshima and Nagasaki Were Shameful War Crimes
Post by: Always on August 04, 2023, 10:04:01 PM

Quote from: Mark 79 on August 04, 2023, 09:20:13 PM

The Japanese offered surrender as early as November 1944 and twice again until finally accepted in August 1945. In those months, approximately ¼ MILLION men, women, and children died in the Pacific "theater." Those deaths are on the heads if those who wanted to test their damned atomic bomb. It is a testament to the fact that the USA is at least as wicked as .gov/.ZOG's enemies.

And to add a bit to the big picture narrative. If I am not mistaken the United States Government without any Christian moral justification -- at least in the objective order of things -- carried out not only a one-time act of war, but a continuing act of war on Japan over 6 months before the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor by placing an embargo on oil going into the country. In our dumbed/damned down school system all we are taught about is how those ^*&#@*& Japs carried out a sneak attack on us. We are not told that the U.S. (meaning high level U.S. government officials) had knowingly and blatantly provoked the attack by forcing Japan's hand by creating an extremely dire situation in Japan by cutting off the desperately needed oil going into the country. The Japanese absolutely needed the oil to survive as a nation!

Title: Re: Hiroshima and Nagasaki Were Shameful War Crimes
Post by: EWPJ on August 04, 2023, 11:13:37 PM

What upsets me probably the most is that they purposely went after the most Catholic cities of the Axis. Hiroshima, Nagasaki, and Dresden. There's no way this wasn't their main motive and purpose in bombing these the way they did.

Title: Re: Hiroshima and Nagasaki Were Shameful War Crimes
Post by: gladius_veritatis on August 04, 2023, 11:22:30 PM

Quote from: EWPJ on August 04, 2023, 11:13:37 PM

What upsets me probably the most is that they purposely went after the most Catholic cities of the Axis. Hiroshima, Nagasaki, and Dresden. There's no way this wasn't their main motive and purpose in bombing these the way they did.

God allowed it, so perhaps we can take consolation in the hope that many more souls were saved for all eternity than if the attacks had not happened.

Title: Re: Hiroshima and Nagasaki Were Shameful War Crimes
Post by: Always on August 05, 2023, 02:15:55 AM

https://starkrealities.substack.com/p/hiroshima-nagasaki-bombings-were (https://starkrealities.substack.com/p/hiroshima-nagasaki-bombings-were)

[color=var(--print_on_web_bg_color, var(--color-primary))]Hiroshima, Nagasaki Bombings Were Needless, Said World War II's Top US Military Leaders
[color=var(--print_secondary, var(--print_secondary_on_web_bg_color, var(--print_secondary, var(--color-secondary))))]Mythology about these mass civilian slaughters warps thinking about US militarism[/color]
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[color=var(--color-primary-themed)][color=var(--print_on_web_bg_color, var(--color-primary))]BRIAN MCGLINCHEY[/color] (https://substack.com/@starkrealities)[/font][/size][/color][/font][/size][/color]

[color=var(--print_on_web_bg_color, var(--color-primary))]The anniversaries of the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki present an opportunity to demolish a cornerstone myth of American history — that those twin acts of mass civilian slaughter were necessary to bring about Japan’s surrender, and spare a half-million US soldiers who’d have otherwise died in a military conquest of the empire’s home islands.[/font][/size][/color]

[color=var(--print_on_web_bg_color, var(--color-primary))][color=var(--print_on_web_bg_color, var(--color-primary))]Those who attack this mythology are often reflexively dismissed as unpatriotic, ill-informed or both. However, the most compelling witnesses against the conventional wisdom were patriots with a unique grasp on the state of affairs in August 1945 — America’s senior military leaders of World War II.[/color][/color]

[color=var(--print_on_web_bg_color, var(--color-primary))][color=var(--print_on_web_bg_color, var(--color-primary))]Let’s first hear what they had to say, and then examine key facts that led them to their little-publicized convictions:[/color][/color]

[color=var(--print_on_web_bg_color, var(--color-primary))][color=var(--print_on_web_bg_color, var(--color-primary))]General Dwight Eisenhower (https://www.trumanlibrary.gov/education/lesson-plans/re-thinking-dropping-atomic-bombs-lesson-2)[/iurl] [/b]on learning of the planned bombings: “I had been conscious of a feeling of depression and voiced to [Secretary of War Stimson] my grave misgivings, first on the basis of my belief that Japan was already defeated and that dropping the bomb was completely unnecessary, and secondly because I thought that our country should avoid shocking world opinion by the use of a weapon whose employment was, I thought, no longer mandatory as a measure to save American lives. It was my belief that Japan was, at that very moment, seeking some way to surrender with a minimum loss of ‘face’.”[/color][/font][/size][/color]
[color=var(--print_on_web_bg_color, var(--color-primary))][color=var(--print_on_web_bg_color, var(--color-primary))]Admiral William Leahy (https://apjjf.org/2021/20/Kuzmarov-Peace.html)[/iurl],[/b] Truman's Chief of Staff: “The use of this barbarous weapon…was of no material assistance in our war against Japan. The Japanese were already defeated and ready to surrender because of the effective sea blockade and the successful bombing with conventional weapons.”[/color][/font][/size][/color]
[color=var(--print_on_web_bg_color, var(--color-primary))][color=var(--print_on_web_bg_color, var(--color-primary))]Major General Curtis LeMay (https://www.thenation.com/article/world/why-the-us-really-bombed-hiroshima/)[/iurl], [/b]21st Bomber Command: “The war would have been over in two weeks (https://pearlharbor.org/blog/america-hadnt-dropped-bombs/) without the Russians entering and without the atomic bomb…The atomic bomb had nothing to do with the end of the war at all.”[/color][/font][/size][/color]
[color=var(--print_on_web_bg_color, var(--color-primary))][color=var(--print_on_web_bg_color, var(--color-primary))]General Hap Arnold (https://duluthreader.com/articles/2015/08/05/105115-no-one-saves-lives-by-dropping-bombs-on-cities)[/iurl],[/b] US Army Air Forces: “The Japanese position was hopeless even before the first atomic bomb fell, because the Japanese had lost control of their own air.” “It (https://duluthreader.com/articles/2015/08/05/105115-no-one-saves-lives-by-dropping-bombs-on-cities) always appeared to us that, atomic bomb or no atomic bomb, the Japanese were already on the verge of collapse.”[/color][/font][/size][/color]
[color=var(--print_on_web_bg_color, var(--color-primary))][color=var(--print_on_web_bg_color, var(--color-primary))]Ralph Bard (https://www.amazon.com/Hotter-Than-Sun-interviews-Alperovitz/dp/1733647368)[/iurl],[/b] Under Secretary of the Navy: “The Japanese were ready for peace, and they already had approached the Russians and the Swiss…In my opinion, the Japanese war was really won before we ever used the atom bomb.”[/color][/font][/size][/color]
[color=var(--print_on_web_bg_color, var(--color-primary))][color=var(--print_on_web_bg_color, var(--color-primary))]Brigadier General Carter Clarke (https://www.amazon.com/Hotter-Than-Sun-interviews-Alperovitz/dp/1733647368)[/iurl], military intelligence officer[/b] who prepared summaries of intercepted cables for Truman: “When we didn’t need to do it, and we knew we didn’t need to do it…we used [Hiroshima and Nagasaki] as an experiment for two atomic bombs. Many other high-level military officers concurred.”[/color][/font][/size][/color]
[color=var(--print_on_web_bg_color, var(--color-primary))][color=var(--print_on_web_bg_color, var(--color-primary))]Fleet Admiral Chester Nimitz (https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/CREC-2012-09-19/html/CREC-2012-09-19-pt1-PgH6128-2.htm)[/iurl][/b], Pacific Fleet commander: “The use of atomic bombs at Hiroshima and Nagasaki was of no material assistance in our war against Japan. The Japanese were already defeated and ready to surrender.”[/color][/font][/size][/color]

[color=var(--print_on_web_bg_color, var(--color-primary))]Putting out feelers through third-party diplomatic channels, the Japanese were seeking to end the war weeks before the atomic bombings on August 6 and 9, 1945. Japan’s navy and air forces were decimated, and its homeland subjected to a sea blockade and allied bombing carried out against little resistance.
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[color=var(--print_secondary, var(--print_secondary_on_web_bg_color, var(--print_secondary, var(--color-secondary))))]Full of midget submarines, a drydock in the port city of Kure, Japan lies in ruins[/font][/size][/color]

[color=var(--print_on_web_bg_color, var(--color-primary))]The Americans knew of Japan’s intent to surrender, having intercepted a July 12 cable (https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/docuмent/28458-docuмent-39b-magic-diplomatic-summary-war-department-office-assistant-chief-staff-g) from Japanese Foreign Minister Shigenori Togo, informing Japanese ambassador to Russia Naotake Sato that “we are now secretly giving consideration to the termination of the war because of the pressing situation which confronts Japan both at home and abroad.”[/font][/size][/color]

[color=var(--print_on_web_bg_color, var(--color-primary))][color=var(--print_on_web_bg_color, var(--color-primary))]Togo told Sato to “sound [Russian diplomat Vyacheslav Molotov] out on the extent to which it is possible to make use of Russia in ending the war.” Togo initially told Sato to obscure Japan’s interest in using Russia to end the war, but just hours later, he withdrew that instruction, saying it would be “suitable to make clear to the Russians our general attitude on ending the war”— to include Japan’s having “absolutely no idea of annexing or holding the territories which she occupied during the war.”[/color][/color]
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[color=var(--print_secondary, var(--print_secondary_on_web_bg_color, var(--print_secondary, var(--color-secondary))))]An excerpt from a July 12, 1945 US War Department summary of intercepted cables from Japan’s Foreign Minister to his ambassador to the Soviet Union[/font][/size][/color]

[color=var(--print_on_web_bg_color, var(--color-primary))]Japan’s central concern was the retention of its emperor, Hirohito, who was considered a demigod. Even knowing this — and with many US officials feeling the retention of the emperor could help Japanese society through its postwar transition —the Truman administration continued issuing demands for unconditional surrender, offering no assurance that the emperor would be spared humiliation or worse.[/font][/size][/color]

[color=var(--print_on_web_bg_color, var(--color-primary))][color=var(--print_on_web_bg_color, var(--color-primary))]In a July 2 memorandum (https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuмents/frus1945Berlinv01/d592), Secretary of War Henry Stimson drafted a terms-of-surrender proclamation to be issued at the conclusion of that month’s Potsdam Conference. He advised Truman that, “if…we should add that we do not exclude a constitutional monarchy under her present dynasty, it would substantially add to the chances of acceptance.”[/color][/color]

[color=var(--print_on_web_bg_color, var(--color-primary))][color=var(--print_on_web_bg_color, var(--color-primary))]Truman and Secretary of State James Byrnes, however, continued rejecting recommendations to give assurances about the emperor. The final Potsdam Declaration (https://ahf.nuclearmuseum.org/ahf/key-docuмents/potsdam-declaration/), issued July 26, omitted Stimson’s recommended language, sternly declaring, “Following are our terms. We will not deviate from them.”[/color][/color]

[color=var(--print_on_web_bg_color, var(--color-primary))][color=var(--print_on_web_bg_color, var(--color-primary))]One of those terms could reasonably be interpreted as jeopardizing the emperor: “There must be eliminated for all time the authority and influence of those who have deceived and misled the people of Japan into embarking on world conquest.”[/color][/color]
[color=var(--print_on_web_bg_color, var(--color-primary))]At the same time the United States was preparing to deploy its formidable new weapons, the Soviet Union was moving armies from the European front to northeast Asia.[/font][/size][/color]

[color=var(--print_on_web_bg_color, var(--color-primary))][color=var(--print_on_web_bg_color, var(--color-primary))]In May, Stalin told the US ambassador (https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuмents/frus1945Berlinv01/d26) that Soviet forces should be positioned to attack the Japanese in Manchuria by August 8. In July, Truman predicted the impact of the Soviets opening a new front. In a diary entry (https://hsi.wm.edu/cases/bomb/bomb_docuмents.html) made during the Potsdam Conference, he wrote that Stalin assured him “he’ll be in the Jap War on August 15th. Fini (https://www.dictionary.com/browse/fini) Japs when that comes about.”[/color][/color]

[color=var(--print_on_web_bg_color, var(--color-primary))][color=var(--print_on_web_bg_color, var(--color-primary))]Right on Stalin’s original schedule, the Soviet Union declared war on Japan two days after the August 6 bombing of Hiroshima. That same day — August 8 — Emperor Hirohito told the country’s civilian leaders that he still wanted to pursue a negotiated surrender that would preserve his reign.[/color][/color]
[color=var(--print_on_web_bg_color, var(--color-primary))][color=var(--print_on_web_bg_color, var(--color-primary))]On August 9, Soviet attacks commenced on three fronts (https://blog.nationalarchives.gov.uk/soviet-japan-and-the-termination-of-the-second-world-war/). News of Stalin’s invasion (https://www.theamericanconservative.com/wholesale-slaughter-of-japanese-non-combatants-in-wwii-was-evil/) of Manchuria prompted Hirohito to call a new meeting to discuss surrender — at 10 am, one hour before the strike on Nagasaki. The final surrender decision came on August 10.[/color][/color]
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[color=var(--print_secondary, var(--print_secondary_on_web_bg_color, var(--print_secondary, var(--color-secondary))))]Three-year old Shinichi Tetsutani, burned as he was riding this tricycle when the atomic bomb hit Hiroshima, died a painful death that night (Hiroki Kobayashi/[color=var(--print_on_web_bg_color, var(--color-primary))]National Geographic (https://www.nationalgeographic.co.uk/photography/2020/08/the-elusive-horror-of-hiroshima)[/iurl][/i])[/size][/color][/font][/size][/color]

[color=var(--print_on_web_bg_color, var(--color-primary))]The Soviet timeline makes the atomic bombings all the more troubling: One would think a US government that’s appropriately hesitant to incinerate and irradiate hundreds of thousands of civilians would want to first see how a Soviet declaration of war affected Japan’s calculus.[/font][/size][/color]

[color=var(--print_on_web_bg_color, var(--color-primary))][color=var(--print_on_web_bg_color, var(--color-primary))]As it turns out, the Japanese surrender indeed appears to have been prompted by the Soviet entry into the war on Japan — not by the atomic bombs. “The Japanese leadership never had photo or video evidence of the atomic blast and considered the destruction of Hiroshima to be similar to the dozens of conventional strikes Japan had already suffered,” wrote Josiah Lippincott at [color=var(--print_on_web_bg_color, var(--color-primary))]The American Conservative[/color] (https://www.theamericanconservative.com/wholesale-slaughter-of-japanese-non-combatants-in-wwii-was-evil/)[/i].[/color][/color][/font][/size]

[color=var(--print_on_web_bg_color, var(--color-primary))]Sadly, the evidence points to a US government determined to drop atomic bombs on Japanese cities as an end in itself, to such an extent that it not only ignored Japan’s interest in surrender, but worked to ensure that surrender was delayed until after upwards of 210,000 people — disproportionately women, children and elderly — were killed (https://thebulletin.org/2020/08/counting-the-dead-at-hiroshima-and-nagasaki/) in the two cities.[/font][/size][/color]

[color=var(--print_on_web_bg_color, var(--color-primary))][color=var(--print_on_web_bg_color, var(--color-primary))]Make no mistake: This was a deliberate targeting of civilian populations. Hiroshima and Nagasaki were chosen because they were pristine, and could thus fully showcase the bombs’ power. Hiroshima was home to a small military headquarters, but the fact that both cities had gone untouched by a strategic bombing campaign that began 14 months earlier (https://media.defense.gov/2010/Sep/27/2001330168/-1/-1/0/AFD-100927-081.pdf) certifies their military and industrial insignificance.[/color][/color]
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[color=var(--print_on_web_bg_color, var(--color-primary))][color=var(--print_on_web_bg_color, var(--color-primary))]“The Japanese were ready to surrender and it wasn’t necessary to hit them with that awful thing,” Eisenhower would later say (https://www.aei.org/op-eds/japan-was-already-defeated-the-case-against-the-nuclear-bomb-and-for-basic-morality/). “I hated to see our country be the first to use such a weapon.”[/color][/color]

[color=var(--print_on_web_bg_color, var(--color-primary))][color=var(--print_on_web_bg_color, var(--color-primary))]According to his pilot, General Douglas MacArthur (https://www.antiwar.com/blog/2021/06/05/who-opposed-nuking-japan/), commander of US Army Forces Pacific, was “appalled and depressed by this Frankenstein monster.”[/color][/color]

[color=var(--print_on_web_bg_color, var(--color-primary))][color=var(--print_on_web_bg_color, var(--color-primary))]“When I asked General MacArthur about the decision to drop the bomb,” wrote journalist Norman Cousins, “I was surprised to learn he had not even been consulted…He saw no military justification for the dropping of the bomb. The war might have ended weeks earlier, he said, if the United States had agreed, as it later did anyway, to the retention of the institution of the emperor.”[/color][/color]

[color=var(--print_on_web_bg_color, var(--color-primary))]What then, was the purpose of devastating Hiroshima and Nagasaki with atomic bombs?[/font][/size][/color]

[color=var(--print_on_web_bg_color, var(--color-primary))][color=var(--print_on_web_bg_color, var(--color-primary))]A key insight comes from Manhattan Project physicist Leo Szilard. In 1945, Szilard organized a petition (https://ahf.nuclearmuseum.org/ahf/key-docuмents/szilard-petition/), signed (https://www.atomicarchive.com/history/atomic-bombing/hiroshima/page-6.html) by 70 Manhattan Project scientists, urging Truman not to use atomic bombs against Japan without first giving the country a chance to surrender, on terms that were made public.[/color][/color]
[color=var(--print_on_web_bg_color, var(--color-primary))][color=var(--print_on_web_bg_color, var(--color-primary))]In May 1945, Szilard met with Secretary of State Byrnes to urge atomic restraint. Byrnes wasn’t receptive to the plea. Szilard — the scientist who’d drafted the pivotal 1939 letter (https://ahf.nuclearmuseum.org/ahf/key-docuмents/einstein-szilard-letter/) from Albert Einstein urging FDR to develop an atomic bomb — recounted (https://books.google.com/books?id=_-dEEAAAQBAJ&pg=PT58&lpg=PT58&dq=szilard+):[/color][/color]

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[color=var(--print_on_web_bg_color, var(--color-primary))]"[Byrnes] was concerned about Russia's postwar behavior. Russian troops had moved into Hungary and Romania, and Byrnes thought it would be very difficult to persuade Russia to withdraw her troops from these countries, that Russia might be more manageable if impressed by American military might, and that a demonstration of the bomb might impress Russia."[/font][/size][/color]

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[color=var(--print_secondary, var(--print_secondary_on_web_bg_color, var(--print_secondary, var(--color-secondary))))]Burned to impress Stalin: A victim of the US atomic bombing of Hiroshima (AP /The Association of the Photographers of the Atomic Bomb Destruction of Hiroshima, Yotsugi Kawahara)[/font][/size][/color]

[color=var(--print_on_web_bg_color, var(--color-primary))]Whether the atomic bomb’s audience was in Tokyo or Moscow, some in the military establishment championed alternative ways to demonstrate its power.[/font][/size][/color]

[color=var(--print_on_web_bg_color, var(--color-primary))][color=var(--print_on_web_bg_color, var(--color-primary))]Lewis Strauss, Special Assistant to the Navy Secretary, said he proposed (https://studylib.net/doc/8421323/atomic-bombs-dbq---ottumwa-community-schools) “that the weapon should be demonstrated over… a large forest of cryptomeria trees not far from Tokyo. The cryptomeria tree is the Japanese version of our redwood… [It] would lay the trees out in windrows from the center of the explosion in all directions as though they were matchsticks, and, of course, set them afire in the center. It seemed to me that a demonstration of this sort would prove to the Japanese that we could destroy any of their cities at will.”[/color][/color]

[color=var(--print_on_web_bg_color, var(--color-primary))][color=var(--print_on_web_bg_color, var(--color-primary))]Strauss said Navy Secretary Forrestal “agreed wholeheartedly,” but Truman ultimately decided an optimal demonstration required burning hundreds of thousands of noncombatants and laying waste to their cities. The buck stops there.[/color][/color]
[color=var(--print_on_web_bg_color, var(--color-primary))]The particular means of inflicting these mass murders — a solitary object dropped from a plane at 31,000 feet — helps warp Americans’ evaluation of its morality. Using an analogy, historian Robert Raico (https://original.antiwar.com/ralph-raico/2009/08/05/hiroshima-and-nagasaki/) cultivates ethical clarity:[/font][/size][/color]

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[color=var(--print_on_web_bg_color, var(--color-primary))]“Suppose that, when we invaded Germany in early 1945, our leaders had believed that executing all the inhabitants of Aachen, or Trier, or some other Rhineland city would finally break the will of the Germans and lead them to surrender. In this way, the war might have ended quickly, saving the lives of many Allied soldiers. Would that then have justified shooting tens of thousands of German civilians, including women and children?”[/font][/size][/color]

[color=var(--print_on_web_bg_color, var(--color-primary))]The claim that dropping the atomic bombs saved a half-million American lives is more than just empty: Truman’s stubborn refusal to provide advance assurances about the retention of Japan’s emperor arguably cost American lives.[/font][/size][/color]

[color=var(--print_on_web_bg_color, var(--color-primary))][color=var(--print_on_web_bg_color, var(--color-primary))]That’s true not only of a war against Japan that lasted longer than it needed to, but also of a Korean War precipitated by the US-invited Soviet invasion of Japanese-held territory in northeast Asia. More than 36,000 US service members died in the Korean War — among a staggering 2.5 million (https://www.britannica.com/event/Korean-War/Back-to-the-38th-parallel) total military and civilian dead on both sides of the 38th Parallel.[/color][/color]
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[color=var(--print_on_web_bg_color, var(--color-primary))][color=var(--print_on_web_bg_color, var(--color-primary))]We like to think of our system as one in which the supremacy of civilian leaders acts as a rational, moderating force on military decisions. The needless atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki — against the wishes of World War II’s most revered military leaders — tells us otherwise.[/color][/color]
[color=var(--print_on_web_bg_color, var(--color-primary))][color=var(--print_on_web_bg_color, var(--color-primary))]Sadly, the destructive effects of the Hiroshima myth aren’t confined to Americans’ understanding of events in August 1945. “There are hints and notes of the Hiroshima myth that persist all through modern times,” State Department whistleblower and author Peter Van Buren said on The Scott Horton Show (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIK8p-5DTV4).[/color][/color]

[color=var(--print_on_web_bg_color, var(--color-primary))][color=var(--print_on_web_bg_color, var(--color-primary))]The Hiroshima myth fosters a depraved indifference to civilian casualties associated with US actions abroad, whether it’s women and children slaughtered in a drone strike in Afghanistan, hundreds of thousands dead (https://watson.brown.edu/costsofwar/costs/human/civilians/iraqi) in an unwarranted invasion of Iraq, or a baby who dies for lack of imported medicine (https://starkrealities.substack.com/p/advocates-of-economic-sanctions-mirror) in US-sanctioned Iran.[/color][/color]

[color=var(--print_on_web_bg_color, var(--color-primary))][color=var(--print_on_web_bg_color, var(--color-primary))]Ultimately, to embrace the Hiroshima myth is to embrace a truly sinister principle: That, in the correct circuмstances, it’s right for governments to intentionally harm innocent civilians. Whether the harm is inflicted by bombs or sanctions, it’s a philosophy that mirrors the morality of al Qaeda (https://starkrealities.substack.com/p/advocates-of-economic-sanctions-mirror).[/color][/color]
[color=var(--print_on_web_bg_color, var(--color-primary))][color=var(--print_on_web_bg_color, var(--color-primary))]That’s not the only thread connecting 1945 to 2023, as Truman’s insistence on unconditional surrender is echoed by the Biden administration’s utter disinterest in pursuing a negotiated peace in Ukraine.[/color][/color]

[color=var(--print_on_web_bg_color, var(--color-primary))][color=var(--print_on_web_bg_color, var(--color-primary))]Today, confronting an adversary with 6,000 nuclear warheads — each a thousand times more powerful than the bombs dropped on Japan — Biden’s own stubborn perpetuation of war puts us all at risk of sharing the fate of Hiroshima and Nagasaki’s innocents.[/color][/color]

Title: Re: Hiroshima and Nagasaki Were Shameful War Crimes
Post by: Incredulous on August 05, 2023, 11:31:44 AM

Quote from: Martius on August 03, 2023, 03:17:02 PM

Nukes are fake and gαy. Another Jєωιѕн boogey man :trollface: to scare everyone into submission during the cold war. It's so obvious even Rogan had to have that guy on showing the clips that looked fake to poison the well. The AP promptly debunked the baseless conspiracy theory.

No.. no!

It's the jews who are fake and gαy.

Title: Re: Hiroshima and Nagasaki Were Shameful War Crimes
Post by: Incredulous on August 05, 2023, 12:30:43 PM

Quote from: cassini on August 03, 2023, 04:41:36 AM

Interesting view on that dreadful bombing. More so when you know these two cities were the most Catholic in Japan.

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2023/08/jacob-hornberger/hiroshima-and-nagasaki-were-shameful-war-crimes/

Another great topic Cassini!

Just a few cents from the peanut gallery :popcorn:

I received the Providence to meet Mr. David Dionisi this Spring and he gave me a copy of his book.
(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/51SB-CQO3JL._AC_UF1000,1000_QL80_.jpg)

Some highlights:

1. The planning of the mission to annihilate "Catholic Japan" started as early as 1939.
The ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ Jєω, Bishop Giovanni Montini, working as a leader of the Vatican's Secretariat of State, used his office for the function of zionist intelligence. He questioned the German Jesuit missions to report on Japan's Catholic demographics? They advised him that Nagasaki and Hiroshima contained the largest populations. (Source: Chiesa Viva).

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTWhX6ui3DUSpipuRZ9PguwcM-4OSEjQ2Kpkg&usqp=CAU)

2. "Atomic Bomb Secrets" reveals how the true agenda of the bombing was concealed up to the moment of "Fat Boy" leaving the B-29's bomb-bay.

3. The Bock's Car annihilation mission even included zionist sabotage where the American flight crew was not to return alive. A reserve fuel pump in the aft compartment of the bomber had been disabled. This wasn't known until the flight was in the air. Miraculously, the B-29 survived without help from American forces and landed with only 7 gallons of fuel in it's tanks. The interviews of the crew would later prove instrumental in discovering the plot to annihilate Japan's Catholic population.

4. Contrary to American (ʝʊdɛօ-masonic) military propaganda, the Japanese held an advanced nuclear bomb program.
On par with or superior to the FDR/Oppenheimer's zionist program in the US. But the Japanese had lost crucial time in relocating their nuke labs to North Korea. This, because of the effectiveness of the B-29 saturation bombings. These advanced labs made N. Korea "off-limits" to the world and it became a hidden communist kingdom.

Title: Re: Hiroshima and Nagasaki Were Shameful War Crimes
Post by: Mark 79 on August 05, 2023, 06:15:15 PM

Yikes! The least expensive copy of Dionisi's book is $67, a new copy is $125.

Title: Re: Hiroshima and Nagasaki Were Shameful War Crimes
Post by: Viva Cristo Rey on August 05, 2023, 06:23:10 PM

The Miracle of Hiroshima – Jesuits survived the atomic bomb thanks to the rosary

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(https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/images/Atomic_cloud_over_Hiroshima_Credit_Bernard_Waldman_Public_Domain_via_US_government_CNA.jpg?w=670&h=447)The atomic cloud over Hiroshima, Aug. 6, 1945. | Bernard Waldman. Public domain via US government.

Hiroshima, Japan, Aug 9, 2015 / 06:08 am
Seventy years ago, the only wartime use of nuclear weapons took place in the Aug. 6 attack on Hiroshima and the Aug. 9 attack on Nagasaki by the United States.

The Hiroshima attack killed around 80,000 people instantly and may have caused about 130,000 deaths, mostly civilians. The attack on the port city of Nagasaki killed about 40,000 instantly and destroyed a third of the city.

Four Jesuits were nearby the hypocenter of the attack on Hiroshima, but they survived the catastrophe, and the radiation that killed thousands in the months following had no effect on them.

The Jesuits priests Hugo Lassalle, Hubert Schiffer, Wilhelm Kleinsorge, and Hubert Cieslik were at the rectory of the church of Our Lady of the Assumption, one of the few buildings that resisted the bomb blast.

Father Cieslik wrote in his diary that they only sustained minor injuries from the broken windows – but nothing resulting from the atomic energy that was unleashed.

The doctors who took care of them afterwards warned them that the radiation they received would produce serious lesions, as well as illness and premature death.

The diagnosis never materialized. No disorders ever developed, and in 1976 Father Schiffer attended the Eucharistic Congress in Philadelphia and told his story. He confirmed that the other Jesuits were still alive and without any ailments. They were examined by dozens of doctors some 200 times over the course of the following years, without any trace of the radiation being found in their bodies.

The four religious never doubted that they had been blessed with protection by God and the Blessed Virgin Mary. "We were living the message of Fatima and we prayed the Rosary every day," they explained.

Bishop Tarcisio Isao Kikuchi of Niigata said Aug. 6 that Japan can contribute to peace "Not with new weapons, but with the noble activities that have a long history in the growth of the world, and in a particular way in developing countries."

Bishop Kikuchi added that "this contribution to development, which brings about full respect for human dignity and its fulfillment, would be very appreciated and respected by the international community."

Title: Re: Hiroshima and Nagasaki Were Shameful War Crimes
Post by: Mark 79 on August 05, 2023, 06:27:08 PM

It is my recollection that one of those miraculous survivals was of Fr. Pedro Arrupe who eventually became the subversive Jesuit Superior General and who reigned when the sodomites took over the order.

Title: Re: Hiroshima and Nagasaki Were Shameful War Crimes
Post by: Emile on August 05, 2023, 07:01:43 PM

Quote from: Incredulous on August 05, 2023, 12:30:43 PM

Another great topic Cassini!

Just a few cents from the peanut gallery :popcorn:

I received the Providence to meet Mr. David Dionisi this Spring and he gave me a copy of his book.
(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/51SB-CQO3JL._AC_UF1000,1000_QL80_.jpg)

Some highlights:

1. The planning of the mission to annihilate "Catholic Japan" started as early as 1939.
The ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ Jєω, Bishop Giovanni Montini, working as a leader of the Vatican's Secretariat of State, used his office for the function of zionist intelligence. He questioned the German Jesuit missions to report on Japan's Catholic demographics? They advised him that Nagasaki and Hiroshima contained the largest populations. (Source: Chiesa Viva).

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTWhX6ui3DUSpipuRZ9PguwcM-4OSEjQ2Kpkg&usqp=CAU)

2. "Atomic Bomb Secrets" reveals how the true agenda of the bombing was concealed up to the moment of "Fat Boy" leaving the B-29's bomb-bay.

3. The Bock's Car annihilation mission even included zionist sabotage where the American flight crew was not to return alive. A reserve fuel pump in the aft compartment of the bomber had been disabled. This wasn't known until the flight was in the air. Miraculously, the B-29 survived without help from American forces and landed with only 7 gallons of fuel in it's tanks. The interviews of the crew would later prove instrumental in discovering the plot to annihilate Japan's Catholic population.

4. Contrary to American (ʝʊdɛօ-masonic) military propaganda, the Japanese held an advanced nuclear bomb program.
On par with or superior to the FDR/Oppenheimer's zionist program in the US. But the Japanese had lost crucial time in relocating their nuke labs to North Korea. This, because of the effectiveness of the B-29 saturation bombings. These advanced labs made N. Korea "off-limits" to the world and it became a hidden communist kingdom.

Quote from: Mark 79 on August 05, 2023, 06:15:15 PM

Yikes! The least expensive copy of Dionisi's book is $67, a new copy is $125.

I hadn't looked in a few years but he used to have a website, I think it was teachpeace.com or something similar, and a youtube channel with a few docuмentaries based on his books. It all seems to have disappeared.

Title: Re: Hiroshima and Nagasaki Were Shameful War Crimes
Post by: Seraphina on August 05, 2023, 07:13:01 PM

https://www.youtube.com/live/Flf8ewJqXOE?feature=share

Title: Re: Hiroshima and Nagasaki Were Shameful War Crimes
Post by: Mark 79 on August 05, 2023, 07:25:09 PM

Quote from: Emile on August 05, 2023, 07:01:43 PM

I hadn't looked in a few years but he used to have a website, I think it was teachpeace.com or something similar, and a youtube channel with a few docuмentaries based on his books. It all seems to have disappeared.

Well… that took 10 whole seconds to find: https://web.archive.org/web/20110802170645/http://www.teachpeace.com/

Title: Re: Hiroshima and Nagasaki Were Shameful War Crimes
Post by: Vanguard on August 05, 2023, 09:53:35 PM

I've always found it interesting that Father Maximillian Kolbe worked publishing in Japan as well as Poland.
Missionary work in AsiaEdit (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Maximilian_Kolbe&action=edit&section=5)
Between 1930 and 1936, Kolbe undertook a series of missions (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mission_(Christian)) to East Asia (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Asia). He arrived first in Shanghai (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghai), China (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/China), but failed to gather a following there.^{[5] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maximilian_Kolbe#cite_note-psb296-6)} Next he moved to Japan (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan), where by 1931 he had founded a Franciscan monastery (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_Friars_Minor_Conventual), Mugenzai no Sono, on the outskirts of Nagasaki (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nagasaki).
Kolbe had started publishing a Japanese edition of the Knight of the Immaculata (Seibo no Kishi: 聖母の騎士).^{[2] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maximilian_Kolbe#cite_note-Patron-3)}^{[self-published source (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiability#Self-published_sources)]}^{[5] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maximilian_Kolbe#cite_note-psb296-6)}^{[15] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maximilian_Kolbe#cite_note-ewtn-16)} The monastery he founded remains prominent in the Roman Catholic Church in Japan.^{[2] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maximilian_Kolbe#cite_note-Patron-3)}^{[self-published source (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiability#Self-published_sources)]} Kolbe had the monastery built on a mountainside. According to Shinto (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shinto) beliefs, this was not the side best suited to be in harmony with nature. However, when the United States dropped the atomic bomb on Nagasaki (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombing_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki), the Franciscan monastery survived, unlike the Immaculate Conception Cathedral (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immaculate_Conception_Cathedral,_Nagasaki), the latter having been on the side of the mountain that took the main force of the blast.^{[16] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maximilian_Kolbe#cite_note-guardian-17)}
In mid-1932, Kolbe left Japan for Malabar (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malabar_region), India (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/India), where he founded another monastery, which has since closed.^{[2] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maximilian_Kolbe#cite_note-Patron-3)}^{[self-published source (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiability#Self-published_sources)]}

Title: Re: Hiroshima and Nagasaki Were Shameful War Crimes
Post by: Incredulous on August 05, 2023, 10:03:05 PM

Quote from: Vanguard on August 05, 2023, 09:53:35 PM

I've always found it interesting that Father Maximillian Kolbe worked publishing in Japan as well as Poland.
Missionary work in AsiaEdit (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Maximilian_Kolbe&action=edit&section=5)
Between 1930 and 1936, Kolbe undertook a series of missions (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mission_(Christian)) to East Asia (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Asia). He arrived first in Shanghai (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghai), China (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/China), but failed to gather a following there.^{[5] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maximilian_Kolbe#cite_note-psb296-6)} Next he moved to Japan (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan), where by 1931 he had founded a Franciscan monastery (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_Friars_Minor_Conventual), Mugenzai no Sono, on the outskirts of Nagasaki (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nagasaki).
Kolbe had started publishing a Japanese edition of the Knight of the Immaculata (Seibo no Kishi: 聖母の騎士).^{[2] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maximilian_Kolbe#cite_note-Patron-3)}^{[self-published source (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiability#Self-published_sources)]}^{[5] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maximilian_Kolbe#cite_note-psb296-6)}^{[15] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maximilian_Kolbe#cite_note-ewtn-16)} The monastery he founded remains prominent in the Roman Catholic Church in Japan.^{[2] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maximilian_Kolbe#cite_note-Patron-3)}^{[self-published source (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiability#Self-published_sources)]} Kolbe had the monastery built on a mountainside. According to Shinto (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shinto) beliefs, this was not the side best suited to be in harmony with nature. However, when the United States dropped the atomic bomb on Nagasaki (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombing_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki), the Franciscan monastery survived, unlike the Immaculate Conception Cathedral (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immaculate_Conception_Cathedral,_Nagasaki), the latter having been on the side of the mountain that took the main force of the blast.^{[16] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maximilian_Kolbe#cite_note-guardian-17)}
In mid-1932, Kolbe left Japan for Malabar (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malabar_region), India (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/India), where he founded another monastery, which has since closed.^{[2] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maximilian_Kolbe#cite_note-Patron-3)}^{[self-published source (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiability#Self-published_sources)]}

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FQKLOcKXwAc1VDV.jpg)

Title: Re: Hiroshima and Nagasaki Were Shameful War Crimes
Post by: Emile on August 05, 2023, 10:25:45 PM

I was able to find a copy of the Nagasaki docuмentary by Dionisi still up for those interested:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sasbWCjLqI8

Title: Re: Hiroshima and Nagasaki Were Shameful War Crimes
Post by: Mark 79 on August 05, 2023, 11:43:04 PM

For anyone interested in the ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan's malevolence and genocide in Asia from a Japanese perspective, this GAB poster has mountains of worthy evidence:

https://gab.com/AOSORA209followback (https://gab.com/AOSORA209followback)

Title: Re: Hiroshima and Nagasaki Were Shameful War Crimes
Post by: Mark 79 on August 05, 2023, 11:46:04 PM

(https://media.gab.com/cdn-cgi/image/width=1136,quality=100,fit=scale-down/system/media_attachments/files/144/437/780/original/6ea1b27d8d826dc6.jpeg)

Sadly… this is another nation that has aborted, contracepted, incel-ed, and immigrated itself into oblivion.

Title: Re: Hiroshima and Nagasaki Were Shameful War Crimes
Post by: LoneWolf1988 on August 06, 2023, 08:32:10 AM

As far as I know,there is no mention of nuclear bombs in catholic prophecy,even when prophecies speak of WW3 and cινιℓ ωαrs.Hiroshima and Nagasaki are probably hoaxes.

Title: Re: Hiroshima and Nagasaki Were Shameful War Crimes
Post by: cassini on August 06, 2023, 11:19:04 AM

Many thanks all you posters. You have given a wonderful account that covers the history of that terrible bombing. Now pray that this Ukrainian conflict does not result in another nuclear strike that will not be confined to two cities. We pray also for all the souls lost in that Japan bombing.

Title: Re: Hiroshima and Nagasaki Were Shameful War Crimes
Post by: Mark 79 on August 06, 2023, 11:22:03 AM

Quote from: LoneWolf1988 on August 06, 2023, 08:32:10 AM

As far as I know,there is no mention of nuclear bombs in catholic prophecy,even when prophecies speak of WW3 and cινιℓ ωαrs.Hiroshima and Nagasaki are probably hoaxes.

"Alex, I'll take 'fire from above' for $200."

Title: Re: Hiroshima and Nagasaki Were Shameful War Crimes
Post by: LoneWolf1988 on August 06, 2023, 01:30:57 PM

Uhh what do you mean?

Title: Re: Hiroshima and Nagasaki Were Shameful War Crimes
Post by: Mark 79 on August 06, 2023, 03:49:27 PM

Prophets are people of their own times. They have no knowledge of future technology, hence what we think of a "a nuclear weapon" they will describe in their own parlance, e.g., "fire from above."

Title: Re: Hiroshima and Nagasaki Were Shameful War Crimes
Post by: Incredulous on August 06, 2023, 05:51:23 PM

Quote from: Emile on August 05, 2023, 10:25:45 PM

I was able to find a copy of the Nagasaki docuмentary by Dionisi still up for those interested:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sasbWCjLqI8

Great find Emile!

This is the best video on the US(Zionist) nuclear annihilation of a populous Japanese City once called "The Little Vatican".

(https://www.aasc.ucla.edu/cab/imgContent/200708160003.jpg)
Pre World War II Urakami Cathedral

Title: Re: Hiroshima and Nagasaki Were Shameful War Crimes
Post by: Always on August 06, 2023, 06:19:39 PM

Quote from: Incredulous on August 05, 2023, 12:30:43 PM

I received the Providence to meet Mr. David Dionisi this Spring and he gave me a copy of his book.
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This is the same author David J. Dionisi! Not sure what to make of this book or his other book on 9-11. The reviews give no mention whatsoever of who exactly was responsible for 9-11. I hope I'm wrong, but I got the impression this guy is a gatekeeper -- at least on the subject of 9-11. I never saw anything on 9-11 with a title so strange as this one.

9/11: The Secret War Against the Jєωs

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To fully understand why there is a secret war against the Jєωs and all children of God, read this book and for additional information visit the Teach Peace Foundation website.

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Title: Re: Hiroshima and Nagasaki Were Shameful War Crimes
Post by: Meg on August 06, 2023, 06:30:43 PM

Quote from: Incredulous on August 06, 2023, 05:51:23 PM

Great find Emile!

This is the best video on the US(Zionist) nuclear annihilation of a populous Japanese City once called "The Little Vatican".

(https://www.aasc.ucla.edu/cab/imgContent/200708160003.jpg)
Pre World War II Urakami Cathedral

The black-and-white photo of the Urakami Cathedral is amazing. What a beautiful place. Notice that the women are all on the right side, and veiled, and the men appear to be all on the left side. Maybe it's a confirmation , or something like that.

Title: Re: Hiroshima and Nagasaki Were Shameful War Crimes
Post by: Incredulous on August 06, 2023, 06:44:29 PM

Quote from: Meg on August 06, 2023, 06:30:43 PM

The black-and-white photo of the Urakami Cathedral is amazing. What a beautiful place. Notice that the women are all on the right side, and veiled, and the men appear to be all on the left side. Maybe it's a confirmation , or something like that.

Right on Meg! Japan's is very hierarchical culture. They would have been a powerhouse of Catholicism.

Title: Re: Hiroshima and Nagasaki Were Shameful War Crimes
Post by: trad123 on August 13, 2023, 05:57:14 PM

Quote from: Ladislaus on August 03, 2023, 08:44:22 PM

Those here who might think the destruction of Dresden, Hiroshima, and Nagasaki were justified have lost their moral compass. Murder of innocent civilians can never be justified, as Catholic Moral Theology 101 is that the end does not justify the means.

Innocent civilians you say, never be justified?

Is this intrinsically the case?

What about the commands given to the Israelites to destroy entire nations, including infants and young children?

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Deuteronomy 20

16 But of those cities that shall be given thee, thou shalt suffer none at all to live:
17 But shalt kill them with the edge of the sword, to wit, the Hethite, and the Amorrhite, and the Chanaanite, the Pherezite, and the Hevite, and the Jebusite, as the Lord thy God hath commanded thee:
18 Lest they teach you to do all the abominations which they have done to their gods: and you should sin against the Lord your God.

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Joshua 10

40 So Josue conquered all the country of the hills and of the south and of the plain, and of Asedoth, with their kings: he left not any remains therein, but slew all that breathed, as the Lord the God of Israel had commanded him,

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1 Samuel 15

1 And Samuel said to Saul: The Lord sent me to anoint thee king over his People Israel: now therefore hearken thou unto the voice of the Lord:
2 Thus saith the Lord of hosts: I have reckoned up all that Amalec hath done to Israel: I how he opposed them in the way when they came up out of Egypt.
3 Now therefore go, and smite Amalec, and utterly destroy all that he hath: spare him not, nor covet any thing that is his: but slay both man and woman, child and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.

Title: Re: Hiroshima and Nagasaki Were Shameful War Crimes
Post by: trad123 on August 13, 2023, 06:06:27 PM

Lad, when God commands it so, killing civilians in principle must be justified.

The Israelites killing entire populations and cattle was a scorched earth policy, and it must justified.

We're not Marcionists.

Title: Re: Hiroshima and Nagasaki Were Shameful War Crimes
Post by: Incredulous on August 13, 2023, 06:06:57 PM

Quote from: trad123 on August 13, 2023, 05:57:14 PM

Innocent civilians you say, never be justified?

Is this intrinsically the case?

What about the commands given to the Israelites to destroy entire nations, including infants and young children?

You've got a good point Trad123...

The annihilation of Nagasaki's Catholic population ultimately happened because our forefathers failed to follow His earlier command:

Deuteronomy 20

16 But of those cities that shall be given thee, thou shalt suffer none at all to live:
17 But shalt kill them with the edge of the sword, to wit, the Hethite, and the Amorrhite, and the Chanaanite, the Pherezite, and the Hevite, and the Jebusite, as the Lord thy God hath commanded thee:
18 Lest they teach you to do all the abominations which they have done to their gods: and you should sin against the Lord your God.

Title: Re: Hiroshima and Nagasaki Were Shameful War Crimes
Post by: trad123 on August 13, 2023, 06:12:32 PM

If we were Israelite men during those times, would we sin by disobeying God's command to commit such violence?

Title: Re: Hiroshima and Nagasaki Were Shameful War Crimes
Post by: trad123 on August 13, 2023, 06:15:21 PM

A quick death by atomic bomb seems to be a more merciful death, rather than coming up to your enemy and plunging a sword into their flesh, at least for those in the immediate vicinity of the bomb.

Title: Re: Hiroshima and Nagasaki Were Shameful War Crimes
Post by: Incredulous on August 13, 2023, 06:16:57 PM

Quote from: trad123 on August 13, 2023, 06:12:32 PM

If we were Israelite men during those times, would we sin by disobeying God's command to commit such violence?

We must assume the Judeans did sin and grievously since the children of those they failed to "neutralize" are now trying to murder and enslave us.

Title: Re: Hiroshima and Nagasaki Were Shameful War Crimes
Post by: trad123 on August 13, 2023, 06:20:27 PM

Quote from: Incredulous on August 13, 2023, 06:16:57 PM

We must assume the Judeans did sin and grievously since the children of those they failed to "neutralize" are now trying to murder and enslave us.

As an Israelite man during that time, would you be willing to plunge a sword through an infant, at God's command?

Sparing the child, a mortal sin?

Title: Re: Hiroshima and Nagasaki Were Shameful War Crimes
Post by: Incredulous on August 13, 2023, 06:56:39 PM

Quote from: trad123 on August 13, 2023, 06:20:27 PM

As an Israelite man during that time, would you be willing to plunge a sword through an infant, at God's command?

Sparing the child, a mortal sin?

There's a precedent established by our Forefather.

(https://www.rethinknow.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/Pedro_Orrente_-_The_Sacrifice_of_Isaac_-_Google_Art_Project.jpg)

Title: Re: Hiroshima and Nagasaki Were Shameful War Crimes
Post by: trad123 on August 13, 2023, 06:59:50 PM

Quote from: Incredulous on August 13, 2023, 06:56:39 PM

There's a precedent established by our Forefather.

Incred, an angel stopped him before he completed the act, and he substituted a ram in place of his son.

Title: Re: Hiroshima and Nagasaki Were Shameful War Crimes
Post by: Always on August 13, 2023, 09:37:46 PM

https://www.unz.com/kbarrett/the-h0Ɩ0cαųst-and-nuclear-h0Ɩ0cαųst/ (https://www.unz.com/kbarrett/the-h0Ɩ0cαųst-and-nuclear-h0Ɩ0cαųst/)

"The h0Ɩ0cαųst" and Nuclear h0Ɩ0cαųst
fαℓѕє fℓαg Weekly News commentators explore the hidden connections
KEVIN BARRETT (https://www.unz.com/author/kevin-barrett/) • AUGUST 13, 2023

Video Link (https://rumble.com/embed/v34aad7/?pub=4)
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Is “the h0Ɩ0cαųst” inciting nuclear h0Ɩ0cαųst? That’s the contention, in a nutshell, of Anthony Hall’s article “Addressing ‘The’ h0Ɩ0cαųst in an Era of Heightened Danger of Nuclear h0Ɩ0cαųst (https://anthonyjhall.substack.com/p/addressing-the-h0Ɩ0cαųst-in-an-era),” which inspired the AI-assisted image above. Citing another fαℓѕє fℓαg Weekly News (https://kevinbarrett.heresycentral.is/category/ffwn/) contributor, E. Michael Jones, who recently reviewed the film (https://thephaser.com/2023/08/emj-live-36-part-ii-oppenheimer-applied-Jєωιѕн-science/)Oppenheimer (https://thephaser.com/2023/08/emj-live-36-part-ii-oppenheimer-applied-Jєωιѕн-science/), Hall writes:

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Jones congratulates the movie maker, Christopher Nolan, for putting front and centre the thesis that the Manhattan Project was first and foremost a Jєωιѕн project. Robert Oppenheimer was the team leader of the Los Alamos group that produced the original A-bombs. Prof. Jones makes a parallel between what happened in 1945, when the US Armed Forces obliterated Hiroshima and Nagasaki with the new type of weapon, and what is going on now…As Prof. Jones sees it, the large Jєωιѕн contingent currently dominating the foreign policy apparatus of the United States seems to mean business in pushing forward the possibility of a US-driven nuclear confrontation with China and Russia. In trying to show the connections between many historical and contemporary dots, the commentator expresses the view that The h0Ɩ0cαųst has provided the dominant narrative defining much about the order and disorder engulfing us. As Jones sees it, the US Empire, which became a worldwide infrastructure of imperial power after 1945, grew up on the foundations of The h0Ɩ0cαųst narrative.

How does the mainstream h0Ɩ0cαųst narrative alleging the murder of six million Jєωs, mostly in gas chambers, as part of an early-1940s official German government total-extermination program, drive the world toward nuclear h0Ɩ0cαųst today? For Dr. Jones and to a lesser extent Dr. Hall, the h0Ɩ0cαųst narrative has sparked the rise of a bitterly vindictive, fanatically self-righteous Jєωιѕн elite that has seized control of US and Western imperial policy and is driving it over the nuclear cliff. For Jones, there is a theological as well as political dimension to the tragedy: He sees today’s “Jєωs” as descendants of the people who rejected Jesus, and attributes to them a “revolutionary spirit (https://www.fidelitypress.org/book-products/the-Jєωιѕн-revolutionary-spirit)” bent on denying, rejecting, or overthrowing God and His creation. That destructive impulse towards God and creation is, in Jones’s view, a key factor driving the world towards nuclear war.

The development of nuclear weapons may have been a largely Jєωιѕн project propelled by scientists who feared and hated Hitler. But it is far from clear that the world’s first two nuclear h0Ɩ0cαųsts—the twin sacrifices of the populations of Hiroshima and Nagasaki in fiery burnt offerings—were primarily the work of Jєωs. Overall, Oppenheimer and his fellow Jєωιѕн scientists seem to have been, if anything, less enthusiastic about those bombings than their non-Jєωιѕн counterparts. Gen. Leslie Groves, very much a goy, directed the Manhattan Project and according to Greg Mitchell (https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2023/08/nagasaki-nuclear-bomb-anniversary-oppenheimer/) among others “fiercely promoted using the first bomb and stifled attempts by scientists (not including Oppenheimer) to convince Truman otherwise.” Groves was also, according to Mitchell, “the man perhaps most responsible for the Nagasaki bomb”—which, by alleged coincidence, detonated directly above Nagasaki’s cathedral, the center of heroic Christianity in Asia. (Nagasaki’s Christians were the descendants of persecutions that made Rome’s look like proverbial tea parties.) We are told that bad visibility caused the bombing team to randomly defecate their payload, which like bird excrement over a luckless bald man, just happened to drop directly above the dome. One might be excused for doubting that coincidence theory: David Dionisi certainly does. (Check out my interview with Dionisi (https://www.unz.com/audio/kbarrett_david-dionisi-on-the-new-world-order-brotherhood-of-death/) and James Perloff’s book review (https://jamesperloff.net/book-review-atomic-bomb-secrets/).)

But freemasonic ritual or not, the twin h0Ɩ0cαųsts of 1945 were certainly satanic (https://www.unz.com/audio/kbarrett_edward-curtin-on-the-satanic-nature-of-the-atomic-bombings-of-hiroshima-and-nagasaki/). Gary Kohls (https://consortiumnews.com/2015/08/09/christianity-and-the-nagasaki-crime/) writes:

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At 11:02 am, during Thursday morning mass, hundreds of Nagasaki Christians were boiled, evaporated, carbonized or otherwise disappeared in a scorching, radioactive fireball that exploded 500 meters above the cathedral. The black rain that soon came down from the mushroom cloud contained the mingled cellular remains of many Nagasaki Shintoists, Buddhists and Christians. The theological implications of Nagasaki’s Black Rain surely should boggle the minds of theologians of all denominations. Most Nagasaki Christians did not survive the blast. 6,000 of them died instantly, including all who were at confession that morning. Of the 12,000 church members, 8,500 of them eventually died as a result of the bomb. Many of the others were seriously sickened with a highly lethal entirely new disease: radiation sickness.

The nuclear incinerations of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, like the less-high-tech burnings of Tokyo and Dresden and other cities, were h0Ɩ0cαųsts in the word’s two primary senses: “mass slaughters of civilians” and “burnt offerings, fiery sacrifices.” The big-H h0Ɩ0cαųst, by contrast, may have involved the mass killing of civilians, but is said to have been done by gas and bullets, not fire. So how did it come to be called a h0Ɩ0cαųst? According to Josh Fleet (https://www.huffpost.com/entry/the-word-h0Ɩ0cαųst-history-and-meaning_n_1229043), a former kosher winemaker and founder of Phish тαℓмυd:

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The usage came about gradually. The lower-case “h0Ɩ0cαųst” has described (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_the_h0Ɩ0cαųst) the violent deaths of large groups of people probably since the 18th century, according the Oxford English Dictionary. Before World War II, the word was used by Winston Churchill and others to refer to the genocide of Armenians during World War I. In 1933, “h0Ɩ0cαųst” was first associated with the nαzιs (https://www.forward.com/articles/2793/) after a major book burning. And after Word War II, the “Final Solution (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Solution)” was often called a h0Ɩ0cαųst. By the 1960s, according to the (http://www.Jєωιѕнmag.com/107mag/h0Ɩ0cαųstword/h0Ɩ0cαųstword.htm)Jєωιѕн Magazine (http://www.Jєωιѕнmag.com/107mag/h0Ɩ0cαųstword/h0Ɩ0cαųstword.htm), it became common to refer to the nαzι genocide of Jєωs as “The h0Ɩ0cαųst.”

That’s plausible, if still somewhat mysterious. But why did h0Ɩ0cαųst become associated with alleged gassing deaths, rather than the burning deaths of Hiroshima and Nagasaki (and Tokyo and Dresden)?* Because the corpses of the alleged Jєωιѕн gassing victims are said to have been burned (which conveniently explains the paucity of forensic evidence)? Fleet:

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Still, the magnitude and uniqueness of this catastrophic event in Jєωιѕн history transcends the meaning of words and defies understanding. Yes, many of nαzι’s victims (sic) were consumed wholly by flame. But was this some sort of divine retribution for the sins of a nation? “I wouldn’t want to know the God who sacrificed these people,” (h0Ɩ0cαųst Studies professor Michael) Berenbaum said.

That last paragraph is quite revealing. The real meaning of The h0Ɩ0cαųst, for the likes of Fleet and Berenbaum, is that it transcends meaning and defies understanding. In other words, it must not be thought or spoken of rationally or empirically or historically, but only theologically. Like the God of negative theology and mysticism, The h0Ɩ0cαųst is absolutely unique and ineffable. But h0Ɩ0cαųst worship goes beyond negative theology and becomes anti-theology. The whole point is to deny and revile God: “I wouldn’t want to know the God who sacrificed these people.” Which brings us back to square one: E. Michael Jones’s contention that Jєωs are at war with God and His creation.

I’m not sure that’s entirely true of pre-h0Ɩ0cαųst Jєωs. Many of them just worshipped G*d like the rest of us. But it does seem to fit the post-h0Ɩ0cαųst Jєωιѕн zeitgeist. My first religious studies mentor, Jacob Needleman, Allah yarhamhu, memorably told me that the h0Ɩ0cαųst had had a catastrophic effect on the Western world’s faith in God, starting with the Jєωs. “How can you believe in a God who allowed THAT to happen” has become the rallying cry of all manner of atheism, irreligion, blasphemy, and satanism (as well as some pretty decent Protestant theology (https://www.unz.com/article/god-exists-the-rest-is-speculation/), but that’s an outlying exception).

In conclusion, I’m afraid that my esteemed fαℓѕє fℓαg Weekly News colleagues are right: In the emerging Godless world, anchored by the official h0Ɩ0cαųst narrative that explains why we must all revile God and deny Him and rebel against Him, ethnic-but-not-religious Jєωs, with their persecution complex and maniacally paranoid tribalism and insufferable self-righteousness and Straussian machevellianism, have become the ideological, financial, and political leaders of the American Empire—and are driving it, and the world, toward nuclear destruction.
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*A Freudian attuned to the unconscious’s genius at word-play designed to hide unpleasant truth from conscious awareness might wonder whether the transfer of the word h0Ɩ0cαųst from the all-too-real h0Ɩ0cαųsts of Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Tokyo, Dresden, etc. to the exaggerated propaganda version of Germany’s ethnic cleansing of European Jєωs, was intended to hide the guilt of the Allies—who had perpetrated many real, fiery h0Ɩ0cαųsts—by falsely blaming a not-so-firey “h0Ɩ0cαųst” on their German victims.
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I wouldn’t discount the “Samson Option”.
The zionists are stupid enough to try it, especially if the world goes against them and demands a real solution to the “Palestinian situation”. Notice that I did not call the Palestinian situation a “problem” as it is the foreign zionist Jєω interlopers who are the “problem”.
Keep in mind that no country that possesses live “nukes” will be attacked or invaded. North Korea, India, Pakistan, and other countries are smart to keep their nukes under wraps and not succuмb to the demands of “international nuclear arms inspectors”. This is the only thing keeping the world “deep state” from attacking them.
That being said, the same should apply to israel (but does not). Every country’s nukes are within the borders of their respective countries, but not so for israel. You see, israel’s nukes are already “in place” and as such, no delivery systems are needed. Israel’s nuclear “Damocles swords” are in major cities around the world and are ready to go at a moment’s notice. This is a major reason why israel refuses to allow “international nuclear arms inspectors” to perform inspections. Israel could not account for all of its nukes.
The next “9-11” will be a nuclear detonation (not an exchange or other conflagration) in a major American or European city. Look for an israeli nuke to be detonated in Los Angeles, Chicago or Atlanta. “Jєω York City” is “off-limits” as it is the Jєωιѕн seat of power in the USA. European targets will be Rome, Brussels or Paris. Jєωs would LOVE to destroy the seat of the Roman Catholic Church, so look at Rome as being a prime target.
Of course, the nuclear detonation will be blamed on an Arab country, passports being found in the “rubble”, just as with 9-11 (yeah, right).
If I had my way, israel would be “embargoed” until it produces ALL of its nukes for international inspection.

Title: Re: Hiroshima and Nagasaki Were Shameful War Crimes
Post by: Incredulous on August 14, 2023, 05:38:50 PM

Quote from: trad123 on August 13, 2023, 06:59:50 PM

Incred, an angel stopped him before he completed the act, and he substituted a ram in place of his son.

Trad, My point is Abraham obeyed God's command and the latter did not.

It's a good bet no Angels would have arrived to stop the Canaanite slaughter. :jester:

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