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Offline Klaus

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Belloc, author of The Jews and hardly renowned for his Zionist tendencies, seems not to have had much time for Protocols of the Elders of Zion enthusiast Nesta Webster, whose works would subsequently be cited by some Catholic authors as if authoritative.

Commenting on her Secret Societies and Subversive Movements, the Oxford-trained Catholic historian wrote:

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In my opinion it is a lunatic book. She is one of those people who have got one cause on the brain. It is the good old 'Jewish revolutionary' bogey. But there is a type of unstable mind which cannot rest without morbid imaginings, and the conception of a single cause simplifies thought. With this good woman it is the Jews, with some people it is the Jesuits, with others Freemasons and so on. The world is more complex than that.

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Hilaire Belloc on Nesta Websters antisemitic conspiracy theories
« Reply #1 on: May 23, 2012, 09:41:05 PM »
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  • Hilaire Belloc was an apologist for the French Revolution.

    http://www.traditioninaction.org/HotTopics/j013htBelloc_FR_1.htm

    For a Catholic to have such a position with regard to the French Revolution, an orgy of murderous violence against Catholics, is lunacy, irrespective of any eccentricities of Mrs. Webster and her views.

    Archbishop Lefebvre or Hilaire Belloc?

    Archbishop Lefebvre chose Bishop Williamson to consecrate.  Thank God for that!



    Offline Traditional Guy 20

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    Hilaire Belloc on Nesta Websters antisemitic conspiracy theories
    « Reply #2 on: May 23, 2012, 10:39:00 PM »
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  • I have a question Klaus: why do you feel the need to create all of these threads about why Catholics should be against 'anti-Semitism'?

    Offline savethemales

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    Hilaire Belloc on Nesta Websters antisemitic conspiracy theories
    « Reply #3 on: May 24, 2012, 02:58:07 AM »
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  • Go away Klaus, it is clear who and what you are: sale Juif.

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    Hilaire Belloc on Nesta Websters antisemitic conspiracy theories
    « Reply #4 on: May 24, 2012, 03:07:13 AM »
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  • Quote from: Traditional Guy 20
    I have a question Klaus: why do you feel the need to create all of these threads about why Catholics should be against 'anti-Semitism'?


    Because this board is about opposing modern errors, and the popes have told us that antisemitism is one such error which we as Catholics must oppose. Unfortunately, some Catholics appear not to have received the memo.


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    « Reply #5 on: May 24, 2012, 04:38:53 AM »
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  • This court rules Klaus is guilty for being a crypto-Jew. This case is closed!    :judge:
    Blessed be the Lord my God, who teacheth my hands to fight, and my fingers to war. ~ Psalms 143:1 (Douay-Rheims)

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    Hilaire Belloc on Nesta Websters antisemitic conspiracy theories
    « Reply #6 on: May 24, 2012, 07:01:10 AM »
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    Hilaire Belloc was an apologist for the French Revolution.


    Belloc and the French Revolution


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    « Reply #7 on: May 24, 2012, 07:32:54 AM »
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  • I have a question for Mr. Klaus: Do you have any idea what the Jewish attitude is towards non-Jews? You would be surprised that it is even more 'racist' and 'bigoted' than your basic white supremacist group.


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    « Reply #8 on: May 24, 2012, 08:43:11 AM »
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  • Quote from: Traditional Guy 20
    I have a question for Mr. Klaus: Do you have any idea what the Jewish attitude is towards non-Jews? You would be surprised that it is even more 'racist' and 'bigoted' than your basic white supremacist group.


    There you go. Two wrongs make a right! It's official!

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    « Reply #9 on: May 24, 2012, 09:10:50 AM »
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    Hilaire Belloc was an apologist for the French Revolution.


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    Belloc and the French Revolution


    Yes, if one wants to understand Belloc's ridicule of conspiracy theory, then his misapprehension of the theoretical principles of the French Revolution is the place to start. (ie, the key to understanding his motivations, his sympathies, his prejudices)

    The truth is that the Declaration of Rights of Man is a rejection of the Social Reign of Christ the King,

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    10. No one should be disturbed on account of his opinions, even religious, provided their manifestation does not upset the public order established by law.


    The "church" is said to have had its "1789" (Cardinal Ratzinger virtually said the Church was being updated with such principles, of course, such an updating is impossible) with the publication of documents like Dignitatis Humanae.  I will mention this plank of the Declaration of the Rights of Man first first since this one is highly relevant to the SSPX. (at least what that mission used to be, before it was hijacked)

    There is absolutely no mention of Our Lord in the the Declaration of Rights of Man.  Implicit in that is the rejection of the Christian state, this in a monarchy whose King had the title "Most Christian"

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    4. Liberty consists in the power to do anything that does not injure others; accordingly, the exercise of the rights of each man has no limits except those that secure the enjoyment of these same rights to the other members of society. These limits can be determined only by law.


    It would therefore follow that giving offense to God is part of this "Liberty."  This is of course a false view of liberty, the belief that everything is permitted that does not hurt others, without regard to the rights of God, without regard to morality based on Divine Law, but only on the liberal conceptions of liberty and equality.

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    16. Any society in which the guarantee of the rights is not secured, or the separation of powers not determined, has no constitution at all.


    This principle denies the legitimacy of all other states in which the liberal principles are not fully accepted.  This principle has caused some of the most terrible bloodshed of fratricidal European wars.

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    Hilaire Belloc on Nesta Websters antisemitic conspiracy theories
    « Reply #10 on: May 24, 2012, 11:26:25 AM »
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  • Quote from: Traditional Guy 20
    I have a question for Mr. Klaus: Do you have any idea what the Jewish attitude is towards non-Jews? You would be surprised that it is even more 'racist' and 'bigoted' than your basic white supremacist group.


    How do you determine "the Jewish attitude... towards non-Jews"? As in most groups of people, different Jews have different attitudes.

    If you're asking whether I am aware that some ultra-Orthodox Jews have very negative attitudes towards non-Jews, the answer is yes, I am. Clare's point applies.


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    « Reply #11 on: May 24, 2012, 09:54:46 PM »
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  • Quote from: Klaus
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    I have a question for Mr. Klaus: Do you have any idea what the Jewish attitude is towards non-Jews? You would be surprised that it is even more 'racist' and 'bigoted' than your basic white supremacist group.


    How do you determine "the Jewish attitude... towards non-Jews"? As in most groups of people, different Jews have different attitudes.

    If you're asking whether I am aware that some ultra-Orthodox Jews have very negative attitudes towards non-Jews, the answer is yes, I am. Clare's point applies.


     :applause:

    If I were allowed to up thumb as much as  I want, I wouldn't have to do this.  

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    Hilaire Belloc on Nesta Websters antisemitic conspiracy theories
    « Reply #12 on: May 25, 2012, 08:08:54 AM »
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    How do you determine "the Jewish attitude... towards non-Jews"? As in most groups of people, different Jews have different attitudes.

    If you're asking whether I am aware that some ultra-Orthodox Jews have very negative attitudes towards non-Jews, the answer is yes, I am. Clare's point applies.


    You do realize that among minorities people often think in terms of groups not individuals. Basically the Jewish attitude is that the "dumb Goyim" are meant to serve the Jews and every race and nation deserves to be under international Jewish finance to be exploited, along with the death of the nations themselves.

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    « Reply #13 on: May 25, 2012, 10:42:08 AM »
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    You do realize that among minorities people often think in terms of groups not individuals. Basically the Jewish attitude is that the "dumb Goyim" are meant to serve the Jews and every race and nation deserves to be under international Jewish finance to be exploited, along with the death of the nations themselves.


    And if you expose the plots and crimes of the Jews you are automatically branded a race-hating Nazi.

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    « Reply #14 on: May 25, 2012, 10:49:26 AM »
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    Quote from: Traditional Guy 20
    You do realize that among minorities people often think in terms of groups not individuals. Basically the Jewish attitude is that the "dumb Goyim" are meant to serve the Jews and every race and nation deserves to be under international Jewish finance to be exploited, along with the death of the nations themselves.


    And if you expose the plots and crimes of the Jews you are automatically branded a race-hating Nazi.


    Well the true mark of a liberal is to brand someone a Nazi, racist, fascist, anti-Semite, etc.

     

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