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Italian cuisine?/Re: HCQ is CURE for COVID-19 - read all about it!
« Reply #5 on: June 02, 2020, 06:06:32 PM »

[...] the chief source of zinc is red meat.  [...] the Italians do[ not] tend to eat red meat.

Huh?  I know better than to think I've got the answers here, never having travelled over there.  I clearly recall from Boomer childhood that the brand "Chef Boyardee" practically defined Italian cuisine for Americans [*] whose ancestry didn't include significant proportions of that nationality.  The real-life Hector Boiardi got his start in food manufacturing in the U.S.A. by a demand for his spaghetti sauce.  Not much time passed before his factory, by then known by the simplified name "Boyardee", got a huge boost during World War II, being operated 24 hours/day to manufacture food rations for U.S. troops.  After World War II, and predictably major lay-offs, the canned heat-&-serve food, which was marketed as Italian, became common fare for middle-class dinners.  Often served over nutrition-deficient white rice [×].  Sure seems as if there was a lot of beef in those canned products, albeit beef that typically seemed to be ground on an industrial scale [*].  Should "Chef Boyardee" be put in his place with some label of inauthenticity?  I like "Ameritalian" or "Italimerican".

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Note *: "founded by Italian immigrant Hector Boiardi in Milton, Pennsylvania, U.S., in 1938. [....]
Throwback recipes [:]
• Spaghetti & Meatballs
Meat Lovers Pasta
• Mini Ravioli Beef Ravioli
Beef Ravioli
Beefaroni
• Lasagna"
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chef_Boyardee>.

Note ×: The worst variation of white rice being "Uncle Ben's Converted" rice, which seemed to be preferred by school cafeterias.  Not only didn't it absorb the tomato-sauce-intensive "Italian" sauces of the subject cuisine, but also, in other meals, it didn't absorb home-made chicken or turkey gravy.  In both cases, the sauce or gravy simply sunk thro' the rice and made a puddle on the bottom of the serving plate, with the rice on top, and mostly unaffected by the intended sauce or gravy.

Ladislaus told us so!/Re: HCQ is CURE for COVID-19 - read all about it!
« Reply #6 on: June 02, 2020, 08:00:10 PM »
(Ahhh, [expletive! ]  I originally posted this reply on June 02, 2020 at 19:00:32 CDT, but in haste to, um, an inintended subforum.  So now I'm posting this reply where it belongs [×].)

Dang, Ladislaus!  I was skeptical about your claim to priority on C.I.  But I felt obligated to exercise objectivity by due diligence.  So I confined my search to CathInfo, for which it's necessary to submit to Evil Google.  It does seem to confirm your claim to priority on C.I.:


I've been connecting dots and feel that ZINC is the key here.

[....] chloroquin e one helps
Chloroquin e one works by channeling zinc into cells, which then kills viruses.  It's pretty compelling.

"Compelling", Indeed!.  This was early enough in the pandemic that it'd be unfair to complain that the related hydroxychloroquine has been found to be superior, at least because of its less troublesome side-effects, and perhaps other valid reasons.

All that conceded, next time, how's 'bout you making the effort to find the relevant URL for confirming your claim, instead of me?

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Note ×: Being posted by me in haste in an inintended subforum, Matthew should feel free, but not the least bit obligated, to delete this: "Ladislaus told us so!/Re: Truth about Coronavirus - CLUES EMERGE".  <https://www.cathinfo.com/health-and-nutrition/truth-about-coronavirus-clues-emerge/msg702380/#msg702380>.


Re: HCQ is CURE for COVID-19 - read all about it!
« Reply #7 on: June 02, 2020, 09:37:50 PM »
Literally eating a hamburger as I read this. LOL!

I saw this article a while back.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/30/health/red-meat-heart-cancer.html

Yes I know it's the New York Times. I disagree with 90% of what they say. Either way, this is a good article about meat and how people shouldn't rely on certain studies so much. Meat is good for you.

Who wrote what?/Re: HCQ is CURE for COVID-19 - read all about it!
« Reply #8 on: June 04, 2020, 07:00:35 PM »
I agree with much of what is written in the initial posting by Matthew in this topic.  I originally drafted this reply as congratulations, until I discovered that as Ladislaus has claimed, he was already "connecting dots" 2 months ago.

So I'm very disappointed to see so many things wrong with that initial posting.  Especially unidentified insertions in the posting that don't appear in the PDF file (at the link already given above).  Also the continual changes in text style, e.g., in font family (e.g., sans-serif vs. serifed), font size, and even font color [†], that I'm puzzled by exactly who wrote what.  It seems to be an unidentified person's commentary on another unidentified person's commentary (on maybe yet another unidentified person's commentary), where "SJ" is only 1 of them, on the "original unedited manuscript" by "Harvey A Risch" [*].

Right after the full title of the paper (which was bolded or enlarged as is quite reasonable to capture attention for a headline or the title of a published paper), I see this: "Below, I  have selected the most significant items from the study to save readers from having to peruse the entire study."  Huh?  Who's "I"?  It's typically not the author of a paper who's trying to "save readers from having to peruse [his] entire study".  Despite appearing immediately after the title, it's understandably not in the PDF.  Well, Hey-yell!  That title should have been the start of Risch' own words, uninterrupted by any undistinguished insertions of text by some unidentified meddler.  Let's keep in mind that Risch is the only medical professional who's identified in any of the uncertain number of levels of commentary that I've inferred.

In particular, I object to unexplained instances of "--SJ" here and there.  Those 2 letters do not appear as a discrete (character) string anywhere in the full-content PDF by Risch.  That's really no surprise, because they're obviously not the initials of Risch, who is the only author of the cited study.  Yet "SJ" dispenses medical advice plus political opinions.  Most troubling was this: "Isolation, masks, contact tracing and a vaccine are unnecessary for these people" [×].  Those are not the words of Risch, because they do not appear in the PDF file: "The great majority of infected people are at low risk for progression or will manifest the infection asymptomatically .  For the rest, outpatient treatment is required that prevents disease progression and hospitalization" (p. 4) (to provide context, I've inserted a red diamond where the comment was inserted by "SJ").  So in its context, "SJ" is unmistakably claiming that "masks [...] are unnecessary" for "infected people"!  I tried Evil Google's advanced search; altho' it does find text from those puzzling insertions by "SJ", it finds them only in the CathInfo posting by Matthew, and nowhere else on the Web.    I  fear that many readers, off their guards because of the tiring length of an initial posting excerpted from a 29-page docuмent [#], then lengthened by unidentified comments, and the smoothly effective placement of the "SJ" comment, will remember not only the words of Risch, but also the comment by "SJ", as if Risch had written both sets of words.  I realize that "SJ" followed a custom (albeit narrowly interpreted) for using parentheses to enclose embedded commentary, but it's a great example of embedded commentary that's likely to cause confusion for some readers, and so should have been stashed out of the way, in a footnote.    I'm left quite confused: What the [expletive deleted] is really going on in that posting?

To help readers get a start on making sense of it all, especially who's written what, I request that Matthew, as soon as he can reasonably squeze it into his & his household's real life, provide either links, or more-or-less complete citations, for each source of words [‡] in his posting, which seems to have intermixed at least 2 levels of commentary by unidentified writers (if not 3 or 4 levels).  It's unfair to readers to obscure who's written what, thus making it difficult or impossible to figure out which words were written by someone qualified to give medical advice, and which words were not.

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Note *: "Dr. Harvey A. Risch (not’), Department of Chronic Disease Epidemiology, Yale School of Public Health, [....] New Haven, CT".  As released by Oxford U. Press (OUP) as a PDF file without any pay-wall.

Note †: I recognize the proverb "de gustibus non disputandum", but the excessive use (arguably an understatement) of bright red oversized fonts seems to cause physical pain to my senior eyes, whereas other colors, notably blue and moderate RGB shades of green, simply do not.  And the brightness of my monitor is set so that the white background is not bright white, but instead, what photographic printers might call a clean barely-off white.

Note ×: I strongly disagree with that particular de facto medical advice from "SJ"; the mask is not for the benefit of the wearer, but instead for the benefit of possibly much more vulnerable people around the wearer, as might be recalled from a reply in another topic nearly 3 weeks ago: ‘AlligatorDicax’: "Re: To wear a mask or Not to wear a mask.  Reply #82 on May 15, 2020 at 20:00:02".  <https://www.cathinfo.com/catholic-living-in-the-modern-world/to-wear-a-mask-or-not-to-wear-a-mask/msg699432/#msg699432>.

Note #: Even tho' it's double-spaced (as is common for manuscripts), won't 29 pages of a medical paper, free from comments by unidentified people, be enough homework & PDF eye-strain for even the most studious of CathInfo readers?  Why should we care about reading text inserted by unidentified people, about whose medical qualifications we have been provided not even a clue.

Note ‡: I did my due diligence, using CathInfo-privileged Google, e.g., an insertion by "SJ": ‘this exact word or phrase:’  "Isolation, masks, contact tracing and a vaccine are unnecessary for these people"; ‘site or domain:’  blank (i.e., no restrictions).  <https://www.google.com/search?as_q=&as_epq=Isolation%2C+masks%2C+contact+tracing+and+a+vaccine+are+unnecessary+for+these+people&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_nlo=&as_nhi=&lr=lang_en&cr=&as_qdr=all&as_sitesearch=&as_occt=any&safe=images&as_filetype=&tbs=>.

Re: HCQ is CURE for COVID-19 - read all about it!
« Reply #9 on: June 04, 2020, 07:07:50 PM »
I agree with much of what is written in the initial posting by Matthew in this topic.  I originally drafted this reply as congratulations, until I discovered that as Ladislaus has claimed, he was already "connecting dots" 2 months ago.

Actually it was somebody else who "connected the dots" well before Ladislaus, but I can't remember the member who said it here. I read it before I joined. Anyway, he specifically stated hydroxychloroquine, z pak, & zinc cures COVID19. I haven't seen him post here in a while, hence, my lacking in recollection of that member's username.