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Having a bit of a crisis of faith
« on: September 26, 2021, 10:03:21 PM »
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  • Hello all its been years since I've used this account. I hope you are all well. Now I have a question for you because I've yet to get a good answer anywhere else. 

    So assuming you are Catholic, you believe in the real presence. The eucharist is the living body of Christ. Now when a priest like McCarrick offers up mass the sacrament is considered valid because suggesting otherwise would be falling into the Donatist Heresy. 

    It means Christ, our Lord and Savior, our King, is being molested by a child rapist every time this child rapist offers up the mass. And we don't talk about this, much less let it anger us. Assuming you practice in good faith, such a sacrilege, such blasphemy, should enrage you and have you chomping at the bit. But much like Nancy Schaeffer and many other grievous offenses, this just passes from peoples minds. And this makes me wonder if anyone actually believes in God.


    Explain to me how a fat POS white liberal woman with dyed hair can display more zeal and fire defending her backwards neo religion whilst the faithful of Christ can't even recognize what may be the greatest insult to Christ since the crucifixion. And if you can't recognize this problem you can't ever address it. 

    I'm not looking to blame or chastise anybody. But ask yourself if you really believed in the real presence, why don't we display the same rage, passion and zeal of these new religion freaks? When we stand before God can we really tell Him honestly we believed in the real presence when we wouldn't even talk about this? 


    I'm not a sede and I never will be. I respect the position but it's not for me. So what am I to think? 



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    Re: Having a bit of a crisis of faith
    « Reply #1 on: September 26, 2021, 10:23:26 PM »
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  • What should you think? I think we might need more information about your crisis before we can answer that one. But - I'll tell you what I think. I think that God is pretty humble, appearing as bread and wine, being "molested" by irreverence and sacrilege... and I think that His wrath on Judgement Day is going to be for the record books.


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    Re: Having a bit of a crisis of faith
    « Reply #2 on: September 26, 2021, 10:26:30 PM »
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  • We do, that's why there's a traditionalist movement. And recall that Christ knew exactly How He was to be abused in the Eucharist, in a way, it mirrors the abuse He suffered under the Jєωs at the hand of the Romans. He was scourged, mocked, and crucified in brutal fashion. And this same thing is occurring when wicked prelates handle Him in the Eucharist. But, He knows that it's worth suffering for the sake of those who will persevere in faith.

    As for the zealous pagans these days, we can match their fury and wickedness with meekness and faith, as the martyrs did when persecuted by the fury of the Romans. Have heart, don't lose the faith just because our enemies seem like they have the upper hand. We are pilgrims here made to follow the same path of suffering that Our Lord made for us. They put all of their hope in this world, so this world is what they will receive. But we are elected for heaven, and will receive more than they could possibly attain in this life.
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: Having a bit of a crisis of faith
    « Reply #3 on: September 26, 2021, 10:33:30 PM »
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  • I realize that you are upset and probably blowing off steam but this is my initial response to your post:
    Who says it doesn't anger us?
    Is getting hot under the collar and red in the face going to accomplish something?
    What would you have us do?
    What have you yourself done about it?
    Who never talks about this?
    God knew from all eternity what outrages He would be subject to in the Blessed Sacrament and still chose to give Himself to us. Maybe we should let Him be God and spend our time seeking His individual will for us.
    Patience is a conquering virtue. The learned say that, if it not desert you, It vanquishes what force can never reach; Why answer back at every angry speech? No, learn forbearance or, I'll tell you what, You will be taught it, whether you will or not.
    -Geoffrey Chaucer

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    Re: Having a bit of a crisis of faith
    « Reply #4 on: September 26, 2021, 10:44:42 PM »
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  • Your record shows you have posted twice this year and this is the third time.

    Are you 21 still? Or 26?

    Does assuming others are indifferent help your own crisis?
    Help of Christians, guard our land from assault or inward stain,
    Let it be what God has planned, His new Eden where You reign.


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    Re: Having a bit of a crisis of faith
    « Reply #5 on: September 26, 2021, 11:06:43 PM »
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  • Your record shows you have posted twice this year and this is the third time.

    Are you 21 still? Or 26?

    Does assuming others are indifferent help your own crisis?
    Its a shared account between me and my homunculi flesh puppet. My age is like my ethnicity. Depends on whos asking. When I get told to get shot, I am αѕнкenαzι Jєω who has genetic PTSD to needles bc of nαzιs n stuff. When filing for unemployment I am mixed race. 



    And yes it does, I assume indifference because if I were to walk into your house and slap you in the face, you wouldn't write an essay or move houses. You would get angry and strike me back. That's natural human emotion and the greatest indicator of where your heart is. What we reveal without knowing. Ie if I accuse you of stealing, and you start getting flustered and say something like "I cant believe you'd accuse me of theft and murder" one would notice I didn't mention murder. And I find it more palatable that people simply didn't think of it like this or are indifferent, because if we've done all we can already and this is our best? Doesn't bode well for us young folks with some decades ahead of us. 

    My point is, maybe it bothers you few on this board but what's the point of taking spiritual advice from a priest who does not call things like this out? What is the point of our religion? In a time where so many people lack any and all identity because essentially any resistance to the new religion is left to the laity, what purpose do priests and Catholicism even serve? A protestants eternal soul is better off being cared for by the room temperature IQ pastor at his backwater church than it is delving into Catholicism and after a major conversion, now having to weed their way to the traditionalist movement. Because the backwater priest is too simple to try and create something ghey like "inclusive capitalism" as our dear pope is trying to do.

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    Re: Having a bit of a crisis of faith
    « Reply #6 on: September 26, 2021, 11:15:09 PM »
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  • I realize that you are upset and probably blowing off steam but this is my initial response to your post:
    Who says it doesn't anger us?
    Is getting hot under the collar and red in the face going to accomplish something?
    What would you have us do?
    What have you yourself done about it?
    Who never talks about this?
    God knew from all eternity what outrages He would be subject to in the Blessed Sacrament and still chose to give Himself to us. Maybe we should let Him be God and spend our time seeking His individual will for us.
    Did God give us a brain and free will so we'd be spectators in our own lives? As for me I've done very little, but I'd like to think refusing to not let my anger dissolve like a cracker is probably a good place to start. 

    In Europe they riot when they are angry. In France for example as far as I know they haven't stopped chimping out since the 60s. I suppose I am simply disillusioned. It seems to me everywhere I look the topic of conversation (the bare minimum), drift away from the root of the religion. Which was a handful of men filled with such conviction they wouldn't shut their mouths until their gruesome deaths. Don't you ever see what the folks who came before did and feel your own behavior inadequate by comparison? 

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    Re: Having a bit of a crisis of faith
    « Reply #7 on: September 26, 2021, 11:22:45 PM »
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  • We do, that's why there's a traditionalist movement. And recall that Christ knew exactly How He was to be abused in the Eucharist, in a way, it mirrors the abuse He suffered under the Jєωs at the hand of the Romans. He was scourged, mocked, and crucified in brutal fashion. And this same thing is occurring when wicked prelates handle Him in the Eucharist. But, He knows that it's worth suffering for the sake of those who will persevere in faith.

    As for the zealous pagans these days, we can match their fury and wickedness with meekness and faith, as the martyrs did when persecuted by the fury of the Romans. Have heart, don't lose the faith just because our enemies seem like they have the upper hand. We are pilgrims here made to follow the same path of suffering that Our Lord made for us. They put all of their hope in this world, so this world is what they will receive. But we are elected for heaven, and will receive more than they could possibly attain in this life.
    What causes me to lose faith isn't the enemy having the upper hand. God loves a good underdog story. What I find disturbing is meekness. The Romans reveled in their clean faces because they thought a clean tidy appearance set them apart from the barbarians to the north. So what sets us apart from everyone else? Do you think you could pick a Catholic out of a crowd of pagans? Wouldn't meekness be a form of denying Christ in times when people need a sign that it's not all bad? We preach meekness when we are at disadvantage, but surely you would all proudly speak of the Christians taking the sword to the pagans of Germany and the New World. In my humble opinion it seems we Christians pick and choose our virtues as it suits our needs. That bothers me. And for the record the martyrs were not so meek, otherwise their stories wouldn't be known to us. When asked to burn the incense to honor the pagan gods, they spat in the face of Roman legions. 


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    Re: Having a bit of a crisis of faith
    « Reply #8 on: September 26, 2021, 11:31:54 PM »
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  • What should you think? I think we might need more information about your crisis before we can answer that one. But - I'll tell you what I think. I think that God is pretty humble, appearing as bread and wine, being "molested" by irreverence and sacrilege... and I think that His wrath on Judgement Day is going to be for the record books.
    Essentially I suspect that most of us are not Christian. I think we are at the point where the Church is driven into the wilderness. Because those of genuine faith would sooner die than deny Christ. But our overlords are crafty. They won't give you a simple do or die situation yet or make a martyr out of you. They'll feed you corn syrup, push their porn and teach your kids the most vile things. They can kill the human soul without lifting a finger. And many good people I've known over the years have fallen into this trap. Because the Church and the faithful sit idle, praying for better times. 

    I read a book, that discussed Christianity specifically towards the fall of Rome. Many Christian politicians spoke about how better times were to come, that we needed only to pray. Meanwhile the crippled apparatus of state eventually started falling apart. But still the Christians persisted saying things similar to what I've seen directly here and elsewhere. And the barbarian hordes washed over them. I see a parallel, don't you?

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    Re: Having a bit of a crisis of faith
    « Reply #9 on: September 26, 2021, 11:51:08 PM »
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  • Essentially I suspect that most of us are not Christian. I think we are at the point where the Church is driven into the wilderness. Because those of genuine faith would sooner die than deny Christ. But our overlords are crafty. They won't give you a simple do or die situation yet or make a martyr out of you. They'll feed you corn syrup, push their porn and teach your kids the most vile things. They can kill the human soul without lifting a finger. And many good people I've known over the years have fallen into this trap. Because the Church and the faithful sit idle, praying for better times.
    We do live in very disgusting times. 

    Most that call themselves Christian are not worthy of it. Thinking little of God and only about the fleeting things of this world. That is why evil perists freely. It is difficult and painful to combat it and rise up against it. It is far easier to think "there isn't anything I could possibly do". In fact, if every so called Christian just said NO and did not stand for evil, then it would be over. Our Lord was not complacent about evil and neither should we be. 

    The fact that there are no truly Christian leaders makes things much worse. There must be a leader to unite the faithful. Which of course they made sure to get rid of that in order to contribute to the feeling of powerlessness and passivity.

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    Re: Having a bit of a crisis of faith
    « Reply #10 on: September 27, 2021, 12:33:22 AM »
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  • ... Don't you ever see what the folks who came before did and feel your own behavior inadequate by comparison?
    I feel many things but, ultimately, it is not up to me to judge. The only measure for a Catholic is conformity to God's will. If he calls you to take up the sword like the Maccabees or the Crusaders, do it. If He calls you to be bold in speech like St. Paul, do it. If he calls you to suffer like the martyrs of Lyons, do it (see below). But whatever we do needs to be done because it is His will and for His glory, not our own. Otherwise we may be quite shocked when we go to our judgement.
    He is obviously calling each of us to live in these times. Many are having their Faith tested as He indicated (But yet the Son of man, when he cometh, shall he find, think you, faith on earth?"
    [Luke 18:8]) We all have a choice: believe Him and stick with Him, come Hell or high water, or let doubts, feelings, and the fact that we often don't understand why he lets certain things come to pass draw us away. It's a temptation we all face to a greater or lesser extent. Make the right choice and stick with Him and His Church. Don't demand that He operate according to your understanding and on your time frame, no Saint ever did.
    P.S. In another post I think you are referring to Gibbon's Decline and Fall. If so, stay away from it, there's a reason that it's on the Index. Those who play with fire...


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    We could not want for a better description of the persecution which crowned St. Blandina a martyr than we have in the letter which was sent to the faithful in Asia Minor by those who survived the slaughter at Lyons. The famed ecclesiastical historian, Eusebius, gives the letter in toto. The following are extracts from it, highlighting the role of St. Blandina in particular.
    "But those who were worthy were seized day by day, filling up their number, so that all the zealous persons, and those through whom especially our affairs had been established, were collected together out of the two churches. And some of our heathen servants also were seized, as the governor had commanded that all of us should be examined publicly. These, being ensnared by Satan, and fearing for themselves the tortures which they beheld the saints endure, and being also urged on by the soldiers, accused us falsely of Thyestean banquets and Edipodean intercourse, and of deeds which are not only unlawful for us to speak of or to think, but which we cannot believe were ever done by men. When these accusations were reported, all the people raged like wild beasts against us, so that even if any had before been moderate on account of friendship, they were now exceedingly furious and gnashed their teeth against us. And that which was spoken by our Lord was fulfilled: 'The time will come when whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service.' Then finally the holy witnesses endured sufferings beyond description, Satan striving earnestly that some of the slanders might be uttered by them also.
    "But the whole wrath of the populace, and governor, and soldiers was aroused exceedingly against Sanctus, the deacon from Vienne, and Maturus, a late convert, yet a noble combatant, and against Attalus, a native of Pergamos where he had always been a pillar and foundation, and Blandina, through whom Christ showed that things which appear mean and obscure and despicable to men are with God of great glory, through love toward him manifested in power, and not boasting in appearance. For while we all trembled, and her earthly mistress, who was herself also one of the witnesses, feared that on account of the weakness of her body, she would be unable to make bold confession, Blandina was filled with such power as to be delivered and raised above those who were torturing her by turns from morning till evening in every manner, so that they acknowledged that they were conquered, and could do nothing more to her. And they were astonished at her endurance, as her entire body was mangled and broken; and they testified that one of these forms of torture was sufficient to destroy life, not to speak of so many and so great sufferings. But the blessed woman, like a noble athlete, renewed her strength in her confession; and her comfort and recreation and relief from the pain of her sufferings was in exclaiming, 'I am a Christian, and there is nothing vile done by us.'
    …"After these things, finally, their martyrdoms. For plaiting a crown of various colours and of all kinds of flowers, they presented it to the Father. It was proper therefore that the noble athletes, having endured a manifold strife, and conquered grandly, should receive the crown, great and incorruptible.
    "Maturus, therefore, and Sanctus and Blandina and Attalus were led to the amphitheatre to be exposed to the wild beasts, and to give to the heathen public a spectacle of cruelty, a day for fighting with wild beasts being specially appointed on account of our people. Both Maturus and Sanctus passed again through every torment in the amphitheatre, as if they had suffered nothing before, or rather, as if, having already conquered their antagonist in many contests, they were now striving for the crown itself. They endured again the customary running of the gauntlet and the violence of the wild beasts, and everything which the furious people called for or desired, and at last, the iron chair in which their bodies being roasted, tormented them with the fumes. And not with this did the persecutors cease, but were yet more mad against them, determined to overcome their patience. But even thus they did not hear a word from Sanctus except the confession which he had uttered from the beginning. These, then, after their life had continued for a long time through the great conflict, were at last sacrificed, having been made throughout that day a spectacle to the world, in place of the usual variety of combats.
    “But Blandina was suspended on a stake, and exposed to be devoured by the wild beasts who should attack her. And because she appeared as if hanging on a cross, and because of her earnest prayers, she inspired the combatants with great zeal. For they looked on her in her conflict, and beheld with their outward eyes, in the form of their sister, him who was crucified for them, that he might persuade those who believe on him, that every one who suffers for the glory of Christ has fellowship always with the living God. As none of the wild beasts at that time touched her, she was taken down from the stake, and cast again into prison. She was preserved thus for another contest, that, being victorious in more conflicts, she might make the punishment of the crooked serpent irrevocable; and, though small and weak and despised, yet clothed with Christ the mighty and conquering Athlete, she might arouse the zeal of the brethren, and, having overcome the adversary many times might receive, through her conflict, the crown incorruptible."

    Patience is a conquering virtue. The learned say that, if it not desert you, It vanquishes what force can never reach; Why answer back at every angry speech? No, learn forbearance or, I'll tell you what, You will be taught it, whether you will or not.
    -Geoffrey Chaucer


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    Re: Having a bit of a crisis of faith
    « Reply #11 on: September 27, 2021, 01:00:55 AM »
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  • Its a shared account between me and my homunculi flesh puppet. My age is like my ethnicity. Depends on whos asking. When I get told to get shot, I am αѕнкenαzι Jєω who has genetic PTSD to needles bc of nαzιs n stuff. When filing for unemployment I am mixed race.



    And yes it does, I assume indifference because if I were to walk into your house and slap you in the face, you wouldn't write an essay or move houses. You would get angry and strike me back. That's natural human emotion and the greatest indicator of where your heart is. What we reveal without knowing. Ie if I accuse you of stealing, and you start getting flustered and say something like "I cant believe you'd accuse me of theft and murder" one would notice I didn't mention murder. And I find it more palatable that people simply didn't think of it like this or are indifferent, because if we've done all we can already and this is our best? Doesn't bode well for us young folks with some decades ahead of us.

    My point is, maybe it bothers you few on this board but what's the point of taking spiritual advice from a priest who does not call things like this out? What is the point of our religion? In a time where so many people lack any and all identity because essentially any resistance to the new religion is left to the laity, what purpose do priests and Catholicism even serve? A protestants eternal soul is better off being cared for by the room temperature IQ pastor at his backwater church than it is delving into Catholicism and after a major conversion, now having to weed their way to the traditionalist movement. Because the backwater priest is too simple to try and create something ghey like "inclusive capitalism" as our dear pope is trying to do.
    Thank you, AC, for your interesting response.

    If, indeed, you were to walk into my home and slap my face, I wouldn’t strike you, but you might be be accosted by my good husband. He’s a very fit 80 year old, and you, at 21 years of age, would then be summarily invited for coffee and a chat in the hope that we could help you sort out your problems. But that’s unlikely because you are at the far end of the world.

    At 21, one does tend to be more prone to criticise and find fault in the other’s behaviour. Your posting history shows that. At 21, I was more prone to find fault than I am today. Though I still am overly critical.

    Believe me, I do understand the dilemma of the dire circuмstances you and I are in. Make the best of a bad situation if there is nothing you can do to change. If there is something you can do, then change it, remembering that the hardest thing to change is yourself.
    Help of Christians, guard our land from assault or inward stain,
    Let it be what God has planned, His new Eden where You reign.

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    Re: Having a bit of a crisis of faith
    « Reply #12 on: September 27, 2021, 01:36:59 AM »
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  • We do live in very disgusting times.

    Most that call themselves Christian are not worthy of it. Thinking little of God and only about the fleeting things of this world. That is why evil perists freely. It is difficult and painful to combat it and rise up against it. It is far easier to think "there isn't anything I could possibly do". In fact, if every so called Christian just said NO and did not stand for evil, then it would be over. Our Lord was not complacent about evil and neither should we be.

    The fact that there are no truly Christian leaders makes things much worse. There must be a leader to unite the faithful. Which of course they made sure to get rid of that in order to contribute to the feeling of powerlessness and passivity.
    Precisely my thinking. Christ became flesh because men need the material as a means of getting closer to the immaterial. So when almost every if not every aspect of the Church is to be handled as if it's immaterial, if mysticism has become obsolete, what remains? We are vindication edgy athiests who summarize the Church as a cabal of creepy old men who take pleasure in telling others what to do.

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    Re: Having a bit of a crisis of faith
    « Reply #13 on: September 27, 2021, 01:43:47 AM »
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  • Thank you, AC, for your interesting response.

    If, indeed, you were to walk into my home and slap my face, I wouldn’t strike you, but you might be be accosted by my good husband. He’s a very fit 80 year old, and you, at 21 years of age, would then be summarily invited for coffee and a chat in the hope that we could help you sort out your problems. But that’s unlikely because you are at the far end of the world.

    At 21, one does tend to be more prone to criticise and find fault in the other’s behaviour. Your posting history shows that. At 21, I was more prone to find fault than I am today. Though I still am overly critical.

    Believe me, I do understand the dilemma of the dire circuмstances you and I are in. Make the best of a bad situation if there is nothing you can do to change. If there is something you can do, then change it, remembering that the hardest thing to change is yourself.
    I am coming off as accusing but I don't mean to. None of us are free from sin and I am no exception. I'm more asking what does one actually do with this situation. In an ideal world you could ask your priest or elders but these days finding a good priest is a miracle of its own. And my elders are as lost as I am. 

    In regards to your last paragraph, can't argue that. It's just quite frustrating, the only thing you can do is help yourself. I appreciate the response 


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    Re: Having a bit of a crisis of faith
    « Reply #14 on: September 27, 2021, 01:49:31 AM »
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  • I feel many things but, ultimately, it is not up to me to judge. The only measure for a Catholic is conformity to God's will. If he calls you to take up the sword like the Maccabees or the Crusaders, do it. If He calls you to be bold in speech like St. Paul, do it. If he calls you to suffer like the martyrs of Lyons, do it (see below). But whatever we do needs to be done because it is His will and for His glory, not our own. Otherwise we may be quite shocked when we go to our judgement.
    He is obviously calling each of us to live in these times. Many are having their Faith tested as He indicated (But yet the Son of man, when he cometh, shall he find, think you, faith on earth?"
    [Luke 18:8]) We all have a choice: believe Him and stick with Him, come Hell or high water, or let doubts, feelings, and the fact that we often don't understand why he lets certain things come to pass draw us away. It's a temptation we all face to a greater or lesser extent. Make the right choice and stick with Him and His Church. Don't demand that He operate according to your understanding and on your time frame, no Saint ever did.
    P.S. In another post I think you are referring to Gibbon's Decline and Fall. If so, stay away from it, there's a reason that it's on the Index. Those who play with fire...
    It's not God I demand of anything. Just His Church. It's gotten to the point where you can't be sure His Church is the right choice. A pope in kahoots with the R0thsch1lds with creepy clergy running amok is a relatively new situation.


    And yes it was Gibbons rise and fall. It definitely is playing with fire as I read Against the Galileans by Julian the Apostate and Sallustius' On the Gods and the World shortly after. Personally I enjoy reading the classical pagan perspective on these things.