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Has any Jєωιѕн convert been canonized?
« on: May 02, 2018, 06:01:19 PM »
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    • It never occurred to me before, but I read this in Fr. Feeney's The Point newsletter:

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    It might surprise our readers to learn that they could go to any current copy of Who’s Who in American Jєωry and find listed there the names of some Catholic priests. The willingness of converted Jєωs (even those with Holy Orders) to remain part of the Jєωιѕн scene has always been a worry to our Holy Mother the Church. And perhaps this explains why, since the days of the Apostles, the Church has never found a converted Jєω it could canonize.

    --https://fatherfeeney.wordpress.com/2009/08/22/the-point-april-1954/

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    Re: Has any Jєωιѕн convert been canonized?
    « Reply #1 on: May 02, 2018, 07:13:18 PM »
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    • There has been a thread on this topic but I didn't find it in a quick search.

    St Edith Stein is one converted Jєω who is canonized and I'm sure there are others I have read about in a more reliable age for canonizations.
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    Re: Has any Jєωιѕн convert been canonized?
    « Reply #2 on: May 02, 2018, 08:24:20 PM »
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    • The Point excerpt is from 1954, so up until then it claims no Jєωιѕн convert had been canonized.

    As for Edith Stein, I question her worthiness for canonization: http://www.cwporter.com/letter15.htm
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    Re: Has any Jєωιѕн convert been canonized?
    « Reply #3 on: May 02, 2018, 08:44:20 PM »
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    • Not a Saint, but a venerable.  I suspect the reason he has not been canonized is more due to the current problems in Rome than to the sorts of reasons Fr. Feeney describes.


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    Francis Mary Paul Libermann (French: François-Marie-Paul Libermann; born Jacob Libermann; 14 April 1802 – 2 February 1852) was a 19th-century French Jєωιѕн convert to Catholicism, member of the Spiritan Congregation. He is best known for founding the Congregation of the Immaculate Heart of Mary which later merged with the Congregation of the Holy Spirit (Spiritans). He is often referred to as "The Second Founder of the Spiritans". He was declared venerable in the Roman Catholic Church on 1 June 1876, by Pope Pius IX.

    There is a nice connection to trads, since Archbishop Lefebvre was a Spiritan.
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    Re: Has any Jєωιѕн convert been canonized?
    « Reply #4 on: May 02, 2018, 10:58:23 PM »
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    • Here is the relevant hyperlink: https://www.cathinfo.com/general-discussion/Jєωιѕн-converts-who-became-catholic-saints/msg566738/#msg566738.
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    Re: Has any Jєωιѕн convert been canonized?
    « Reply #5 on: May 03, 2018, 08:59:45 AM »
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    • Thanks. So I guess it's true that no pre-Vatican II Jєωιѕн convert has been canonized. This surprises me.
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    Re: Has any Jєωιѕн convert been canonized?
    « Reply #6 on: May 03, 2018, 10:16:06 AM »
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    • I cannot think of one pre-Vatican II canonized Saint who converted from Judaism. However, there are some canonized Saints of Jєωιѕн descent. For example, St. Teresa of Ávila was at least quarter Jєωιѕн by descent, but she was Catholic her entire life.
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    Re: Has any Jєωιѕн convert been canonized?
    « Reply #7 on: May 03, 2018, 10:41:21 AM »
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    • Quote from: rum on May 03, 2018, 08:59:45 AM
    Thanks. So I guess it's true that no pre-Vatican II Jєωιѕн convert has been canonized. This surprises me.
    I am surprised that you are surprised.
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    Re: Has any Jєωιѕн convert been canonized?
    « Reply #8 on: May 03, 2018, 11:05:21 AM »
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    • How about St. Paul?  :fryingpan:

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    Re: Has any Jєωιѕн convert been canonized?
    « Reply #9 on: May 03, 2018, 11:12:10 AM »
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    • Quote from: Theosist on May 03, 2018, 11:05:21 AM
    How about St. Paul?  :fryingpan:
    The Fr. Feeney quote included the sentence "And perhaps this explains why, since the days of the Apostles, the Church has never found a converted Jєω it could canonize." 

    We have been trying to think of Saints after the time of the Apostles and before Vatican II.  St. Paul does not qualify within these parameters.


     
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    Re: Has any Jєωιѕн convert been canonized?
    « Reply #10 on: May 03, 2018, 11:33:26 AM »
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    • Quote from: Theosist on May 03, 2018, 11:05:21 AM
    How about St. Paul?  :fryingpan:
    1. Answer:

    Rums quote:
    "And perhaps this explains why, since the days of the Apostles, the Church has never found a converted Jєω it could canonize."


    2. Edith Stein is a good topic for lively debate.  
    "Edith Stein, was a German (Polish) Jєωιѕн philosopher who converted to Roman Catholicism and became a Discalced Carmelite nun. She is canonized as a martyr and saint of the Catholic Church. Wikipedia"

    Ah, but she was canonized by a Polish pope, who in the eyes of тαℓмυdic Jєωery, was a hereditary Jєω
    (Pope John Paul II's mother was a polish Jєωess with a maiden name of Katz).

    In this book, Saint Stein very lightly denounces the тαℓмυd as "sophistry", when it is much more than that.



    The тαℓмυd's blasphemous claims against Our Lord Jesus and His Blessed Mother are enough to make Heaven come down with vengeance upon the whole, sad race.

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    Re: Has any Jєωιѕн convert been canonized?
    « Reply #11 on: May 03, 2018, 11:36:51 AM »
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    Re: Has any Jєωιѕн convert been canonized?
    « Reply #12 on: May 03, 2018, 02:24:14 PM »
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    • Quote from: Theosist on May 03, 2018, 11:36:51 AM
    Abdulmasih of Sinjar in the Syriac Church, martyred 390. Patron saint of sterile women.

    https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=A09WDwAAQBAJ&pg=PA1390&dq=Abdulmasih+of+Sinjar&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjUhrLv-unaAhVECewKHXgUDy4Q6AEIPjAE#v=onepage&q=Abdulmasih%20of%20Sinjar&f=false

    http://syriaca.org/bibl/2298

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abd-al-Masih_(martyr)

    Under what Pontificate these canonizations occured?

    Are you sure that these martyrs are saints venerated in the Roman Catholic Church? instead of an Oriental Church, such as the Syriac Orthodox Church?
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    Re: Has any Jєωιѕн convert been canonized?
    « Reply #13 on: May 03, 2018, 05:08:13 PM »
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    • Quote from: Cantarella on May 03, 2018, 02:24:14 PM
    Under what Pontificate these canonizations occured?

    Are you sure that these martyrs are saints venerated in the Roman Catholic Church? instead of an Oriental Church, such as the Syriac Orthodox Church?
    Well, if you’re talking about formal canonisation by a pope, tell that to St. Patrick.
    I’m sure this person is NOT venerated in the ROMAN Catholic church, but then how many non-Latin, pre-schism saints after the Patristic age are? In the Byzantine Catholic Church all seven of the “archangels” are venerated by name; the Roman church recognises only three and Pope St. Zachary struck even St. Uriel of the permitted list. So what? St. Constantine the Great, pray for us. Truth can’t be relative. If this boy was martyred in 390 and is recognised in the Syriac “Orthodox” church liturgy, what of it? What am I denying? That he existed? That being killed by his father for converting to the Catholic faith didn’t earn him sainthood?
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    Re: Has any Jєωιѕн convert been canonized?
    « Reply #14 on: May 03, 2018, 07:16:53 PM »
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    • Quote from: Theosist on May 03, 2018, 05:08:13 PM
    Well, if you’re talking about formal canonisation by a pope, tell that to St. Patrick.
    I’m sure this person is NOT venerated in the ROMAN Catholic church, but then how many non-Latin, pre-schism saints after the Patristic age are? In the Byzantine Catholic Church all seven of the “archangels” are venerated by name; the Roman church recognises only three and Pope St. Zachary struck even St. Uriel of the permitted list. So what? St. Constantine the Great, pray for us. Truth can’t be relative. If this boy was martyred in 390 and is recognised in the Syriac “Orthodox” church liturgy, what of it? What am I denying? That he existed? That being killed by his father for converting to the Catholic faith didn’t earn him sainthood?

    Saint Constantine? Ha! Not much if a saint. More of a barbarian who had some sympathy for the Church. He had his son killed, and then when he found out that his wife had lied about the son, Constantine had her killed. What a guy.

    He was baptized on his deathbed by an Arian heretic.
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