What is your opinion of this Gothic subculture that has definitely been a part of whites these days? I mean to me it seems like a Satanic cult listening to Satanic rock or heavy metal or whatever along with wearing dark clothes and make-up, and even some have pagan beliefs, like believing that they themselves are vampires or werewolves. It is truly a strange (and evil) cult, this Gothic subculture and fashion.

A friend of mine wrote the following

Sergeant Pepper's Creed.‏

"It was twenty years ago today; Sergeant Pepper taught the band to..." Pray?

As a matter of interest, the Album 'Sergeant Pepper's Lonely Hearts' Club Band' was released in 1967. Aleister Crowley was born in 1875 and died in 1947, or "twenty years ago." Some people think Sergeant Pepper is the Devil, others Crowley - not much of a difference! - others attach no occult significance to Sergeant Pepper at all... it does not really matter, though; the Beatles were adepts of the New Age, and pictured Crowley on the Album Cover.

I contend that Crowley is a "major religious figure" of the 20th century; and that his significance and legacy cannot be overlooked.

Crowley also claimed to have slaughtered at least one hundred infants in child sacrifice. There is a pro-life imperative in studying Crowley. Indeed one could argue that Crowley began the sɛҳuąƖ revolution, whose summit would be Steel's 1967 abortion act. What was released in 67 again? Oh yeah, that album with the eerie cover, 'Sergeant Pepper's Lonely Hearts' Club Band.'

I have no interest in delving into crazy conspiracy theories: Crowley was a religious leader who founded a religion and philosophy, which exists to this day, and this cannot escape the examining gaze of History.

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The comedians, musicians, artists et cetera, are fond of parody. The subject of this parody is often the immutable deposit of Christian Faith, which is most perfectly termed (traditional) Roman Catholicism.

Catholics, though, are no slouches when it comes to satire. On our side is St Augustine "O Lord make me chaste ... but not yet!"; Erasmus (an Augustinian monk who wrote "Clerical Satires" or, in other words, the original version of Father Ted); and Saint Thomas More.

Let us turn the tables and parody their religion, which I shall call "Crowleyanity" after the "Great Beast" Aleister Crowley.

Crowley claimed that a daemon named "I WAS" (a mockery of EGO SUM QUI SUM/ IAHVEH /I AM / I AM WHO AM) dictated to him "The Book of the Law." I have never read this impious book, but the Great Commandment of Crowleyanity (or Thalema) is:

Do as thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.

The Church of Crowleyanity is Popular Music/Hollywood et cetera: (I watch Digital Versatile Devices and listen to Pop Music myself, so I am not pretending to be puritanical, but the lifestyle promoted by these things is bad.) The post-Christian culture, which we must endure.

"I shall destroy Christianity, and in its place there will only be Crowleyanity."

I think Crowleyanity needs an update of its own:

Do as thou wilt if thou art perfectly confident that thou wouldst not get caught.

Do as thou wilt; for thou art a good person, and God understands.

Do as thou wilt, and pretend otherwise. (Hypocrisy).

Do as thou wilt, as everybody else doth it.

As I understand it, for many kids "Goth"is really just about fashion.  However, there are far more sinister cultural presuppositions underlying it.  It is something orthodox and consistent Catholic parents should take seriously, without assuming that their kid is a Satanist because of a haircut.

So you would be okay with your children coming in the house with dark clothes and make-up as if they came from a Satanic rock concert? I would not. I would demand for them to throw away those clothes and put on some descent clothing and appearance o they'd be banned from my house. Simple as that.

I was not very clear in my post.  I do think that"Goth" culture is all kinds of bad, and at its heart it is Satanic in that it is in opposition to the Truth and to Christ.  I would not tolerate in in my house either.  Fortunately, none of my children ever tested that.  I just meant that not everyone who wears something that might be considered "Goth" is an avowed Satanist.  

Trad Guy, if you banned your minor child from hour house you would rightly be charged with abandonment.  You can't just kick an child out of his home unless they are placed somewhere else by a court.  

I have no problem with corporal punishment if it is warranted.  No, I would never kick a minor child out of my home.  Fortunately for me and my children, they never caused me to want to.

"Trad Guy if you abandon your children..."

So you would let your children challenge the Faith? I would have none of it. I would either get the belt on them or indeed tell them to leave my house. Sometimes the spoiled brats these days need a good kick.

Not a very convincing way to bring them around. Rather you would push them further away with this approach. If you truly care for their souls, instead of just winning an argument, rational explanation and prayer are better tools to use.

"Trad Guy if you abandon your children..."

So you would let your children challenge the Faith? I would have none of it. I would either get the belt on them or indeed tell them to leave my house. Sometimes the spoiled brats these days need a good kick.

TradGuy  you lack empathy. On one hand you say we should not shelter our children but now a child that accepts a secular influence needs a good kick? We should send them out into the world but punish them when they naturally adopt pagan ways?  Your views are cruel and this is where the" abusive strict religious parent" stereotype comes from. Setting children up to fail an then giving them punishment is very disordered an will cause your children to hate good spiritual things instead of giving them faith.

It's best to not let it get that far. Nip it in the bud so to speak and be strict with who they are allowed to socialize with. It's a challenge as they get into their teen years an enter the work force (if you have a son)  but even a teen would not generally "go Goth" overnight.

TradGuy  you lack empathy. On one hand you say we should not shelter our children but now a child that accepts a secular influence needs a good kick? We should send them out into the world but punish them when they naturally adopt pagan ways?  Your views are cruel and this is where the" abusive strict religious parent" stereotype comes from. Setting children up to fail an then giving them punishment is very disordered an will cause your children to hate good spiritual things instead of giving them faith.

It's best to not let it get that far. Nip it in the bud so to speak and be strict with who they are allowed to socialize with. It's a challenge as they get into their teen years an enter the work force (if you have a son)  but even a teen would not generally "go Goth" overnight.

Or maybe I just lack the "emotions" of feminine thinking? Yes that must be it.