This thread is specifically about the DROP.

I'll post my challenge below.

There are many threads about other aspects of GE/FE which are fun to explore. I don't pretend to have all the answers and don't want to go off topic on this thread.

So please stay on topic if you wish to accept my friendly challenge. :)

Here is the Globe Earth curve chart.  We will discuss the

DROP per mile due to the curve of the earth

which you can see on the table on the right.








According to the chart there is a 

24 foot DROP after 6 miles.  

That makes sense because as any child will tell you a boat disappears "over the curve" as it goes out to sea.  So a 24 foot tall boat will disappear about 6 miles out.

(Nikon P900 cameras disprove this but we'll go with conventional GE knowledge.)

You don't need special equipment.  A child can see with their own eyes that the boat went "over the curve" and is now hiding behind the DROP.

At 10 miles out a tall boat can hide behind the 66 Foot DROP of the curve.



Now consider the following...


A 3 Foot DROP causes the lean of the Leaning Tower of Pisa.





The lean is very noticeable to the naked eye.  You don't need special equipment to see the lean caused by the 3 Foot DROP.

You don't need to get really high up or go out into space to see the leaning building or any kind of laser or other measurement.

All you need are your eyes.  A child would tell you it leans.


You easily can see the difference between the tower and the other buildings.







The buildings are not congruent.

The tower is perpendicular to the land it is standing on

but it leans away from the other building because of a 3 Foot DROP.

What would the tower look like with a 10 Foot DROP?? 

Imagine how far over it would lean!

It might look like this





Woah.


Now what I can't find are any photos of the

leaning towers from the Globe Earth DROP.

They shouldn't be hard to find.

My challenge is for somebody to please post a photo that demonstrates these leaning towers due to the DROP of the globe.


Here are some photos of skylines:


New York









After 3 miles there should be a 6 Foot DROP.

I don't see it.  Do you?

That's double the DROP of the Leaning Tower of Pisa so the buildings should start to lean away from each other quite a bit.

As in double the amount the Leaning Tower of Pisa leans.

It would be easy to see.


Here is 10 miles of New York skyline:





According to the Globe Earth chart above, there should be a

66 foot DROP.


If a 3 Foot DROP causes the Leaning Tower of Pisa, imagine what a

66 Foot DROP would look like!


Where are the leaning towers of New York??

If a boat goes out to sea from the NY docks it will disappear after about 6 miles and hide behind the DROP of the curve.  Right?

Does the earth only curve in that direction?


Chicago's skyline is 25 miles long.







According to the chart, just 25 miles has a 266 foot DROP!

Whoa.

Can you see it?  I can't.

The buildings are level with the water and remain congruent with one another.  Where are the leaning towers of Chicago??




I can't see the 266 foot DROP on the left and on the right.  Can you?

If only a 3 Foot DROP causes the Leaning Tower of Pisa,

what would a 266 Foot DROP look like???

Now if a boat went out into the lake 6 miles and disappeared it would be because it went "over the curve" and is now hidden behind the DROP.  Right?

Why does the earth only curve in that direction?

Where are the leaning towers?

Where is the DROP on the left and on the right?

Can somebody post a photo demonstrating this 266 Foot DROP after 20 miles?  Surely there is a photo of 20 miles of coastline or 20 miles of horizon line that demonstrates this 266 Foot DROP, right?


Miami Beach is 32 miles long:










30 miles is a 600 foot DROP!!

(see the chart above)

Do you see the 600 foot DROP?

I don't.

Surely you would see that right?

If a 3 Foot DROP causes the Leaning Tower of Pisa

what would a 600 Foot DROP look like?!

Can somebody please post a photo of the 600 Foot Drop?

Surely that shouldn't be hard to find.

The Miami Beach buildings are congruent and level with the water.

Also notice there is no DROP on the left or right of the ocean horizon line you see beyond the skyline.  Why is that?

Where are the leaning towers of Miami Beach?

Now if a ship went out to sea 6 miles from Miami Beach it would "go over the curve" and hide behind the 24 foot DROP.

Does the earth only curve in that direction?


San Francisco is full of hills and yet the buildings are all congruent to one another.





There are no leaning towers of San Francisco.  The buildings are perpendicular to the water which is level.

Water is always level. 

That is why water is used to measure if a building is level even if the building is on the side of a hill.



Here is 4 miles of the Las Vegas Strip



According to the chart there should be a 10 foot DROP.

Only a 3 foot DROP causes the Leaning Tower of Pisa.

A 10 foot DROP would be very dramatic and easy to see.

Where are the leaning towers of Las Vegas?


Can somebody post a photo which demonstrates the DROP?

They shouldn't be hard to find but for the life of me I can't find them.


Central Avenue in Phoenix is 20 miles long:



According to the chart there should be a 266 Foot DROP.

Can you see it?

I can't.

Where are the leaning towers of Phoenix?

Only 3 feet of DROP causes the Leaning Tower of Pisa.

A boat can hide behind the DROP after six miles out to sea (or lake).

Imagine what a 266 Foot DROP would look like!  :O

Can somebody please post a photo showing the 266 Foot DROP?

It shouldn't be hard to find...should it?  :)

Problem with this whole thing is that it’s comparing the effects of a 3-ft drop across a matter of yards vs. 8 inches per mile (squared).  So it’s a false comparison.  That degree of drop would not be visible to the naked eye.

There was a group in Brazil who did use accurate GPS to measure the distances between the tops and the bottoms of buildings about 20+ miles apart and found them to be perfectly parallel ... so no curve.

Yeah I'm a bit muddled here. So when we talk about a 266 foot drop in this image:



The suggestion is that a building on the far left (or far right) should appear 266 feet shorter than it would if were in the centre, is it? Like the height measured from the horizon would be the same, but if you drew a straight line perpendicular to the building of X height at the centre of this imagine, that line would end up 266 feet above another building of X height at the edge? (Presuming a Globe Earth, obviously).

Is that right? Just finding this hard to understand.

Yeah I'm a bit muddled here. So when we talk about a 266 foot drop in this image:



The suggestion is that a building on the far left (or far right) should appear 266 feet shorter than it would if were in the centre, is it? Like the height measured from the horizon would be the same, but if you drew a straight line perpendicular to the building of X height at the centre of this imagine, that line would end up 266 feet above another building of X height at the edge? (Presuming a Globe Earth, obviously).

Is that right? Just finding this hard to understand.

While the leaning tower thing is a bit misleading, there is definitely something to it.  I'm not sure if the "drop" is the best perspective, but the buildings at the outer edges should be leaning away from each other (though I haven't done the math).  If someone had some photo software, they could probably draw some lines to determine whether the buildings on the edges are perfectly parallel.  I haven't done the math to determine how far apart they should diverge toward the top. It's probably fairly complex, depends on the height above the ground, etc.  But I don't know whether it would be enough where it would be perceptible on an image like this.  I believe this would should have a 66-foot difference from one end to the other, and 33 feet from center to either side.  I just felt that the leaning tower thing was a bit misleading, because there you're talking about a 3-foot drop over the space of a few yards.

Yeah I'm a bit muddled here. So when we talk about a 266 foot drop in this image:



The suggestion is that a building on the far left (or far right) should appear 266 feet shorter than it would if were in the centre, is it? Like the height measured from the horizon would be the same, but if you drew a straight line perpendicular to the building of X height at the centre of this imagine, that line would end up 266 feet above another building of X height at the edge? (Presuming a Globe Earth, obviously).

Is that right? Just finding this hard to understand.

Well, it wouldn't be "shorter" per se, but bottom of the building should be lower.  That's a bit difficult to figure out because you also don't know the precise elevation of the ground at the base of each building.  But measuring the divergence or lean would be more conclusive.  But if the math indicates that the lean should be only a matter of inches, or even just a foot or two, at these distances, then it would be difficult to make any firm conclusions on the basis of this picture.  And of course, the assumption (probably valid for buildings like this) is that they're perfectly plumb.

I found this paper that at first sight looks interesting. I haven't read it in detail yet but will do over the weekend and will share my conclusions.

Here are some interesting pictures:

I don't understand the Math (I was more of an English and music person), but I think the visual can depend a bit on your angle and how far away you are.

I have been to the leaning tower of Pisa.  It is not leaning because of the curvature of the earth.  It is leaning because it was either built that way or it's foundation got disrupted.

Yes, I've been there too!  

Anyway, it's not leaning because of the curvature.  You are right.

Yet, it is leaning because of a 3 foot DROP in the ground.

The point being that a 3 foot DROP makes a very visable lean.

Now why can't we see that anywhere else in the world?

Especially when there is a 10 foot DROP or even a 66 foot DROP or a 266 foot DROP?

The math is absolutely ridiculous.  Similar to spinning 3x the speed of sound without being able to feel it.  You don't need to be a scientist or mathematician.  It's blatantly absurd.

Can you see the lean of the Tower of Pisa if you are far away?

Or up high?

Yes:
1min 21 secs


It's obvious it leans and that is only a 3 foot DROP.

At 40 miles there should be a 1066 foot DROP!

That's massive!

Can you see it?

I can't.

I'm talking on the left and on the right.

Even if you cut it in half that would be a 500 foot DROP.
Yet those buildings look congruent to each other.
Where is the DROP?

Exactly.

There SHOULD be some kind of visible curve, when you have this much land/skyline photographed at once. Thanks to modern skyscrapers and dense cities (creating "skylines") we can have photos like the one above. And according to THEIR OWN FIGURES about the supposed diameter of the earth, with gravity, etc. all taken into account, there should be X drop for every X miles. So if you take a wide enough image (like the one above), you SHOULD see some curve, some drop-off, the buildings not being completely parallel to each other, etc.

But nothing! All the evidence JUST HAPPENS TO BE exactly the same as if the earth were completely flat under a dome firmament. Imagine that!

Well I say: maybe, just maybe the earth IS flat and THAT is why all the evidence seems to point that direction. I let the evidence lead me to the correct conclusion -- not the other way around (an emotional need/bias making me NEED a given conclusion, and trying to twist/distort evidence that sort of supports that conclusion)

(Obviously they can't just say the earth is much bigger in diameter -- that wouldn't work for many reasons.)