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Title: Girl Pours Bleach On Men To Stop Man-Spreading
Post by: Cantarella on October 02, 2018, 10:30:03 AM
Law student, 20, pours water mixed with BLEACH on to men's groins on the Russian metro to stop them from 'manspreading'


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6206701/Law-student-20-pours-water-mixed-BLEACH-mens-groins-Russia-stop-manspreading.html
Title: Re: Girl Pours Bleach On Men To Stop Man-Spreading
Post by: Matthew on October 02, 2018, 12:17:16 PM
This is so ridiculous.

These feminist mental patients want men to sit like women, as if they were physically equivalent to women. There is no part of a man that is like a woman's.  It's a question of science. Male DNA extends to (and affects) every body part, not just the sex organs.

Besides the obvious differences, men are more muscular (including the legs), men are taller than women on average, plus a male bearing is different from a female bearing. Men carry themselves and walk/sit/act differently than women. Is that such a surprise?

But today, some lunatics believe men & women are the same, completely interchangeable. They believe "gender is a social construct". Idiots. Sorry, I have no respect for lunacy.

Title: Re: Girl Pours Bleach On Men To Stop Man-Spreading
Post by: Maria Regina on October 02, 2018, 12:40:59 PM
Blame it on HRC:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6206701/Law-student-20-pours-water-mixed-BLEACH-mens-groins-Russia-stop-manspreading.html

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Ex-US presidential candidate Hillary Clinton last year upbraided the Kremlin leader [Putin]  explaining: 'There's an expression- we certainly know it in New York- called manspreading.

These feminists are man-haters, and this hatred is diabolical.
Title: Re: Girl Pours Bleach On Men To Stop Man-Spreading
Post by: Cantarella on October 02, 2018, 01:01:15 PM
She's probably doing this just for the trill of the attention she's getting, rather than for any real deep political conviction.

Attention craving is the motivating factor for these women. Not ideology.

These feminists don't have much of a brain anyway. Otherwise, they would not be feminists.
Title: Re: Girl Pours Bleach On Men To Stop Man-Spreading
Post by: Vintagewife3 on October 02, 2018, 03:39:47 PM
It’s funny how all these aggressive males didn’t punch her in the face. Complete self defense too!
Title: Re: Girl Pours Bleach On Men To Stop Man-Spreading
Post by: 1st Mansion Tenant on October 02, 2018, 04:14:24 PM
I too am surprised someone didn't punch her. 
Title: Re: Girl Pours Bleach On Men To Stop Man-Spreading
Post by: Quid Retribuam Domino on December 15, 2018, 10:13:36 PM
It’s funny how all these aggressive males didn’t punch her in the face. Complete self defense too!

Looky what we got here, folks. Here, Vintagewife3 advocates corporal punishment against a woman by a man. Yet, she has engaged in a pathology to try to shame me for expressing the Church teaching it's acceptable for a husband to use corporal punishment against his wife.

#contradiction

#flaky

#issues
Title: Re: Girl Pours Bleach On Men To Stop Man-Spreading
Post by: Vintagewife3 on December 16, 2018, 03:32:55 AM
Looky what we got here, folks. Here, Vintagewife3 advocates corporal punishment against a woman by a man. Yet, she has engaged in a pathology to try to shame me for expressing the Church teaching it's acceptable for a husband to use corporal punishment against his wife.

#contradiction

#flaky

#issues
I did not promote it! I was sarcastically pointing out that none of these men are aggressive. They didn’t even try to attack her back! and it just shows how messed up the feminist agenda is to attack innocence men. 
Title: Re: Girl Pours Bleach On Men To Stop Man-Spreading
Post by: Vintagewife3 on December 16, 2018, 04:06:26 AM
And further more! They would have been acting in self defense if they did! This woman poured bleach on their genitals! The other post was referring to men using unprovoked physical acts as a way of discipline against their wives. You should learn context better! Two different situations. If a wife physically attacked, or abused her husband he should try to restrain her if at all possible, but must also act in defense of himself (and children if there are any). Self defense acts are not the same as what we were talking about 
Title: Re: Girl Pours Bleach On Men To Stop Man-Spreading
Post by: Seraphina on December 16, 2018, 04:10:57 AM
Matthew, may we please be rid of QRD?  
Title: Re: Girl Pours Bleach On Men To Stop Man-Spreading
Post by: Jaynek on December 16, 2018, 09:28:25 AM
And further more! They would have been acting in self defense if they did! This woman poured bleach on their genitals! The other post was referring to men using unprovoked physical acts as a way of discipline against their wives. You should learn context better! Two different situations. If a wife physically attacked, or abused her husband he should try to restrain her if at all possible, but must also act in defense of himself (and children if there are any). Self defense acts are not the same as what we were talking about
By definition, just punishment is not unprovoked.  Nobody has suggested that it is acceptable for a husband to use force on his wife without a good reason.

You apparently believe that there are circumstances under which it is acceptable for a man to use physical force on a woman but disagree with QRD about exactly what these are.  Your position is not really all that different from his.
Title: Re: Girl Pours Bleach On Men To Stop Man-Spreading
Post by: Vintagewife3 on December 16, 2018, 09:54:59 AM
By definition, just punishment is not unprovoked.  Nobody has suggested that it is acceptable for a husband to use force on his wife without a good reason.

You apparently believe that there are circumstances under which it is acceptable for a man to use physical force on a woman but disagree with QRD about exactly what these are.  Your position is not really all that different from his.
It is because I believe it should be only in self defense. Like she is physically attacking him, but not because she disobey 
Title: Re: Girl Pours Bleach On Men To Stop Man-Spreading
Post by: Quid Retribuam Domino on December 16, 2018, 10:27:39 AM
I did not promote it! I was sarcastically pointing out that none of these men are aggressive. They didn’t even try to attack her back! and it just shows how messed up the feminist agenda is to attack innocence men.

Another failed attempt at spinning.

#BelieveWomen
Title: Re: Girl Pours Bleach On Men To Stop Man-Spreading
Post by: Vintagewife3 on December 16, 2018, 11:29:47 AM
It’s not spinning. Self defense isn’t wrong. 

Men should be able to defend themselves even physically against women when attacked.


Women should learn to defend themselves in case they are attacked by men.


We should never attack anyone unless our lives, or physical well being depend on it. So we don’t break the 5th commandment.
Title: Re: Girl Pours Bleach On Men To Stop Man-Spreading
Post by: Quid Retribuam Domino on December 16, 2018, 12:08:48 PM
It’s not spinning. Self defense isn’t wrong.

We should never attack anyone unless our lives, or physical well being depend on it.

What if the soul depends on it? The state of the soul is more important than the physical life. Corporal punishment is just, not abuse, against a wife who scandalizes children or puts her own, or her husband's, soul at risk of damnation.

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So we don’t break the 5th commandment.

It's not breaking the 5th Commandment, just as the Lord commanding the Hebrews to wipe out rival Godless tribes in the OT, and Jesus' commands that His enemies be brought before Him and killed in Luke 19:27, and the Holy Crusades, and Pope St. Pius V's Horrendum Illud Scelus, which handed sodomite priests over for execution, weren't breaking the 5th Commandment.
Title: Re: Girl Pours Bleach On Men To Stop Man-Spreading
Post by: Vintagewife3 on December 16, 2018, 12:25:37 PM
You till me what you consider scandalous in a marriage. Then we can see if we are even talking about the same thing.
Title: Re: Girl Pours Bleach On Men To Stop Man-Spreading
Post by: Jaynek on December 16, 2018, 12:26:39 PM
We should never attack anyone unless our lives, or physical well being depend on it. So we don’t break the 5th commandment.
The 5th Commandment does not apply to just punishments.  This is why traditionally Catholics have virtually always accepted capital, as well as corporal, punishment.  It has never been Church teaching that self-defence is the only acceptable reason to use force.

If one looks at the examination of conscience in the Angelus Missal, one of the questions under the 5th commandment is whether one has "threatened or struck others not under your charge".  Catholics believe that physical force may be used as a legitimate exercise of authority.

One may make an argument that a husband does not have that sort of authority over his wife (although this is not historically the Catholic view), but one cannot claim that self-defence is the only permissible reason for physical force.
Title: Re: Girl Pours Bleach On Men To Stop Man-Spreading
Post by: Jaynek on December 16, 2018, 12:32:02 PM
What if the soul depends on it? The state of the soul is more important than the physical life. Corporal punishment is just, not abuse, against a wife who scandalizes children or puts her own, or her husband's, soul at risk of damnation.
This would have been the standard belief of Catholics for most of our history.  It is a recent development that this is now considered controversial.
Title: Re: Girl Pours Bleach On Men To Stop Man-Spreading
Post by: Vintagewife3 on December 16, 2018, 12:37:02 PM
The 5th Commandment does not apply to just punishments.  This is why traditionally Catholics have virtually always accepted capital, as well as corporal, punishment.  It has never been Church teaching that self-defence is the only acceptable reason to use force.

If one looks at the examination of conscience in the Angelus Missal, one of the questions under the 5th commandment is whether one has "threatened or struck others not under your charge".  Catholics believe that physical force may be used as a legitimate exercise of authority.

One may make an argument that a husband does not have that sort of authority over his wife (although this is not historically the Catholic view), but one cannot claim that self-defence is the only permissible reason for physical force.
I’m not against any of that. We also aren’t talking about in a court system. We are talking about in a marriage. 
Title: Re: Girl Pours Bleach On Men To Stop Man-Spreading
Post by: Vintagewife3 on December 16, 2018, 12:41:45 PM
I’m not against anything the church teaches about wives being submissive.


I’m not against the death penalty at all. 


But when we are talking about in a marriage which is entirely different from this those situations. If a husband is allowed to do this who knows what kind of rules, or punishments he could apply. 
Title: Re: Girl Pours Bleach On Men To Stop Man-Spreading
Post by: Jaynek on December 16, 2018, 12:44:44 PM
I’m not against any of that. We also aren’t talking about in a court system. We are talking about in a marriage.

These are both situations involving authority.  The court system applies the authority of the state, while, within marriage, the husband has authority over his wife.  These situations use the same underlying Catholic principles concerning authority using physical force.


But when we are talking about in a marriage which is entirely different from this those situations. If a husband is allowed to do this who knows what kind of rules, or punishments he could apply.

Due to the fallen nature of humanity, there is always a possibility that a man could misuse the authority to punish his wife.  But this is separate from the question of whether such authority exists in the first place.  Wouldn't you agree that parents have the authority to use corporal punishment on children even though there are instances of parents misusing this authority?  Does the state have authority even though there are instances of state misuse of authority?
Title: Re: Girl Pours Bleach On Men To Stop Man-Spreading
Post by: Vintagewife3 on December 16, 2018, 12:57:49 PM
Yes, to both of your questions. I understand what you are saying, but I still don’t think husbands should be permitted to punish their wives. How does it even help with a happy marriage? Does the husband get punished if messes up? Why should the wife have to be punished when the man himself isn’t perfect either?
Title: Re: Girl Pours Bleach On Men To Stop Man-Spreading
Post by: Jaynek on December 16, 2018, 01:08:53 PM
Yes, to both of your questions. I understand what you are saying, but I still don’t think husbands should be permitted to punish their wives. How does it even help with a happy marriage? Does the husband get punished if messes up? Why should the wife have to be punished when the man himself isn’t perfect either?
One could ask the same questions about parents punishing children.  Parents aren't perfect but still punish children.  Being perfect has nothing to do with the authority to punish.

You seem to be looking for excuses to support your position rather than starting with Catholic principles and logically considering how to apply them.
Title: Re: Girl Pours Bleach On Men To Stop Man-Spreading
Post by: Vintagewife3 on December 16, 2018, 02:15:12 PM
I’ve been sitting here for the past 3 days doing whatever research I could find on this. I’ve only so far found a few quotes on such topic, and it was about a wife cheating. Even then those quotes were from a different time. We don’t follow all rules of the last, now do we? Just because it was done, doesn’t mean it’s what should be done. It also doesn’t make it right. Know better, do better. The church never even had a stand on such a view until these past years. Past wives submit to your husbands, or wives fear your husbands.The word fear can be interrupted in a few different ways, and yes, one of them is by use of force. When you look at all other teachings how a husband should love his wife as himself, or as Christ loves the church. I think it’s safe to say God wasn’t for husbands punishing their wives in any physical way. I’m not against a husband discipline his spouse. Of course he should if she is failing in her duties!  But it should still be done with respect to her hunan dignity. There are other forms of punishment that I would say would be even more effective then hitting.

Title: Re: Girl Pours Bleach On Men To Stop Man-Spreading
Post by: Nadir on December 16, 2018, 02:24:53 PM
Does the husband get punished if messes up? 
It depends on how he "messes up", and what messes up means. But certainly not by the wife.

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Why should the wife have to be punished when the man himself isn’t perfect either?
Only God is perfect and both husbands and wives are imperfect. That does not take away husband's GOD-GIVEN authority over his wife. There always has to be order in creation   - and in creation  God made man to have a higher authority than the wife. So God set man over the woman, just as a woman has authority over her children. It is essential for a happy ordered existence in this valley of tears. 
Title: Re: Girl Pours Bleach On Men To Stop Man-Spreading
Post by: Nadir on December 16, 2018, 02:30:37 PM
VW3, you seem to be equating punishment with violence, though you often use the word "force",  by which you seem to imply violence.

Title: Re: Girl Pours Bleach On Men To Stop Man-Spreading
Post by: Vintagewife3 on December 16, 2018, 03:04:04 PM
I don’t argue mans authority over his family, Nadir. Just how far it goes by way of punishment of his wife.  
Title: Re: Girl Pours Bleach On Men To Stop Man-Spreading
Post by: Quid Retribuam Domino on December 16, 2018, 04:17:45 PM
I don’t argue mans authority over his family, Nadir. Just how far it goes by way of punishment of his wife. 

VW3 has employed "truth" fluidity from the get-go of these threads. She'll state the orthodox line like a parrot. She's claims to be fine with Catholic doctrine on these matters until she realizes certain situations aren't to her advantage - at which point her opposition becomes fixed regardless of any appeal to logic or reason that is made - and then she'll still utter vague posits that superficially appear as if she agrees with the Church on the natural order of husband and wife.

In effect, something is only "true" if it benefits her or somehow enables her own material preservation.
Title: Re: Girl Pours Bleach On Men To Stop Man-Spreading
Post by: Vintagewife3 on December 16, 2018, 04:52:21 PM
VW3 has employed "truth" fluidity from the get-go of these threads. She'll state the orthodox line like a parrot. She's claims to be fine with Catholic doctrine on these matters until she realizes certain situations aren't to her advantage - at which point her opposition becomes fixed regardless of any appeal to logic or reason that is made - and then she'll still utter vague posits that superficially appear as if she agrees with the Church on the natural order of husband and wife.

In effect, something is only "true" if it benefits her or somehow enables her own material preservation.
You don’t even know me in real life. So, stop.  I appreciate all views on the matter, but it sits wrong with me. 
Title: Re: Girl Pours Bleach On Men To Stop Man-Spreading
Post by: Jaynek on December 16, 2018, 05:18:57 PM
I’ve been sitting here for the past 3 days doing whatever research I could find on this. I’ve only so far found a few quotes on such topic, and it was about a wife cheating. Even then those quotes were from a different time. We don’t follow all rules of the last, now do we? Just because it was done, doesn’t mean it’s what should be done. It also doesn’t make it right. Know better, do better. The church never even had a stand on such a view until these past years. Past wives submit to your husbands, or wives fear your husbands.The word fear can be interrupted in a few different ways, and yes, one of them is by use of force. When you look at all other teachings how a husband should love his wife as himself, or as Christ loves the church. I think it’s safe to say God wasn’t for husbands punishing their wives in any physical way. I’m not against a husband discipline his spouse. Of course he should if she is failing in her duties!  But it should still be done with respect to her hunan dignity. There are other forms of punishment that I would say would be even more effective then hitting.

There were hundreds upon hundreds of years in which Catholics taught and practiced that a husband's authority included the possibility of punishing a wife in a physical way.  There have been only a few decades in which people have questioned this view.  The movement associated with rejecting the traditional belief also promotes the idea that it is fine for women to kill their babies.  I do not think we can assume the modern view "knows better" or is a good reflection of what God wants.  

Title: Re: Girl Pours Bleach On Men To Stop Man-Spreading
Post by: Ladislaus on December 16, 2018, 05:37:58 PM
#contradiction

#flaky

#issues

#bannedoncealready
Title: Re: Girl Pours Bleach On Men To Stop Man-Spreading
Post by: Jaynek on December 16, 2018, 05:39:15 PM
VW3 has employed "truth" fluidity from the get-go of these threads. She'll state the orthodox line like a parrot. She's claims to be fine with Catholic doctrine on these matters until she realizes certain situations aren't to her advantage - at which point her opposition becomes fixed regardless of any appeal to logic or reason that is made - and then she'll still utter vague posits that superficially appear as if she agrees with the Church on the natural order of husband and wife.

In effect, something is only "true" if it benefits her or somehow enables her own material preservation.

I wish you would not make this into personal attacks of VW3.  While I do not think that she is supporting her position with good arguments, there is no reason to attribute bad motives to her.  It appears to me that her heart is in the right place and she wants to follow Catholic teaching.  If she is like most people in modern Western society, she has spent her entire life being indoctrinated that it is unthinkably evil for a husband to physically punish a wife.  It is difficult to consider the issue dispassionately under such circumstances.  And for many people, especially women, logic does not come easily to them without receiving training in it.  A lack of logic does not mean they are self-serving or bad-willed.
Title: Re: Girl Pours Bleach On Men To Stop Man-Spreading
Post by: Ladislaus on December 16, 2018, 05:41:11 PM
I wish you would not make this into personal attacks of VW3.

This is the exact reason Matthew banned him the first time around as Croix.  While he always postures as a "tough guy," he's one of the most immature babies I've ever run across.
Title: Re: Girl Pours Bleach On Men To Stop Man-Spreading
Post by: Jaynek on December 16, 2018, 05:43:53 PM
This is the exact reason Matthew banned him the first time around as Croix.  While he always postures as a "tough guy," he's one of the most immature babies I've ever run across.
If Matthew banned everyone who made personal attacks, about half the posters would be gone.
Title: Re: Girl Pours Bleach On Men To Stop Man-Spreading
Post by: Vintagewife3 on December 16, 2018, 05:45:22 PM
Jayne, tell me how I’m supposed to accept my husband as the right to discipline me? It actually just makes me sick to think my husband has the right to actually hit me. 
Title: Re: Girl Pours Bleach On Men To Stop Man-Spreading
Post by: Jaynek on December 16, 2018, 05:57:40 PM
Jayne, tell me how I’m supposed to accept my husband as the right to discipline me? It actually just makes me sick to think my husband has the right to actually hit me.
From what you have written elsewhere, you are doing your best to be respectful and obedient.  The situation would not come up in which he would have cause to hit you.  This sort of punishment was supposed to be reserved for extreme cases of bad behaviour.

At any rate, in the current situation in which a man could be charged and imprisoned for hitting his wife, it is not a practical means of exercising his authority.  I would not advise a man to do this now.   For me this is more a matter of historical interest.  I object to people assuming that the Catholics of the past were wrong about this because they do not meet modern standards.
Title: Re: Girl Pours Bleach On Men To Stop Man-Spreading
Post by: Vintagewife3 on December 16, 2018, 06:09:32 PM
From what you have written elsewhere, you are doing your best to be respectful and obedient.  The situation would not come up in which he would have cause to hit you.  This sort of punishment was supposed to be reserved for extreme cases of bad behaviour.

At any rate, in the current situation in which a man could be charged and imprisoned for hitting his wife, it is not a practical means of exercising his authority.  I would not advise a man to do this now.   For me this is more a matter of historical interest.  I object to people assuming that the Catholics of the past were wrong about this because they do not meet modern standards.
I don’t think he would start using this as discipline either. He was pretty shocked the church would have condoned it as an acceptable form. It’s more of a mental hurdle to get over to think it’s supposed to be ok.
Title: Re: Girl Pours Bleach On Men To Stop Man-Spreading
Post by: Nadir on December 16, 2018, 08:10:27 PM
Jayne, tell me how I’m supposed to accept my husband as the right to discipline me? It actually just makes me sick to think my husband has the right to actually hit me.
My husband has corrected me many times (= disciplined me), but he has never struck me or hurt me physically in any way.  The fact that it makes you sick to your stomach is probably because of your past experiences of abuse with your former de-facto. So it seems you still under an emotional weight which has not been lifted off you.
And because, on top of that:

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she has spent her entire life being indoctrinated that it is unthinkably evil for a husband to physically punish a wife.  It is difficult to consider the issue dispassionately under such circumstances.
you cannot imagine that the past way of behaving, that is, for a husband to employ his God-given authority to discipline his wife is the Catholic way.
We have all been indoctrinated in some way, and we have to get to the truth of the matter, rather than accept the brainwashing we have received through the MSM etc. Not easy, not overnight (usually), takes time. You're making progress because you are open, or opening up. Painful!
Title: Re: Girl Pours Bleach On Men To Stop Man-Spreading
Post by: MaterDominici on December 16, 2018, 09:19:37 PM
Not entirely relevant to the conversation at this point, but it should be noted that the story in the OP was later revealed to be paid actors -- the men were all willing participants.
Title: Re: Girl Pours Bleach On Men To Stop Man-Spreading
Post by: Maria Regina on December 16, 2018, 11:09:34 PM
Not entirely relevant to the conversation at this point, but it should be noted that the story in the OP was later revealed to be paid actors -- the men were all willing participants.
You gotta ask, How many of the daily news stories are indeed fake news?
Title: Re: Girl Pours Bleach On Men To Stop Man-Spreading
Post by: Maria Regina on December 16, 2018, 11:45:34 PM
Yes, Mater Dominici, you are correct. Paid actors (crisis actors) are being used to generate fake news.

For more information on fake news: see the recent X22 video, which reveals that the hammer of justice is falling on Clinton, Comey and the rest of the MSM rats.

Near the end of this video, Mark Twain's definition of a true patriot is given.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADx8Y8XSwHU
Title: Re: Girl Pours Bleach On Men To Stop Man-Spreading
Post by: Quid Retribuam Domino on December 17, 2018, 10:31:48 AM
I wish you would not make this into personal attacks of VW3. 

She, Ladislaus and JezusDeKoning attacked me with direct insults. Get your facts right.
Title: Re: Girl Pours Bleach On Men To Stop Man-Spreading
Post by: Quid Retribuam Domino on December 17, 2018, 10:34:17 AM
This is the exact reason Matthew banned him the first time around as Croix.  While he always postures as a "tough guy," he's one of the most immature babies I've ever run across.

Says the guy who spreads calumny over the internet. Very effeminate behavior of you.
Title: Re: Girl Pours Bleach On Men To Stop Man-Spreading
Post by: Quid Retribuam Domino on December 17, 2018, 10:36:56 AM
While he always postures as a "tough guy," he's one of the most immature babies I've ever run across.

Is that why you always wait until after I log off to respond to my posts/comments or render an attack against me?

#SSSSSSSSSSOY
Title: Re: Girl Pours Bleach On Men To Stop Man-Spreading
Post by: Last Tradhican on December 17, 2018, 02:10:24 PM
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Girl Pours Bleach On Men To Stop Man-Spreading (https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/girl-pours-bleach-on-men-to-stop-man-spreading/msg628766/#msg628766)
Another NWO rubbish "news" outlet. The whole world to gather news from and they publish useless "news" like this. Just more of the same garbage to dumb down the masses.
Title: Re: Girl Pours Bleach On Men To Stop Man-Spreading
Post by: Carissima on December 17, 2018, 05:08:40 PM
You gotta ask, How many of the daily news stories are indeed fake news?
Just by reading the attention grabbing headline people are influenced on how and what to think. You don’t even need to read the article for them to get the results they want either. Your emotions are triggered instantly by the horror of it, or by the thrill of it depending on how one believes already. 
It’s all on purpose of course. 
Title: Re: Girl Pours Bleach On Men To Stop Man-Spreading
Post by: Maria Regina on December 17, 2018, 06:22:15 PM
...  And for many people, especially women, logic does not come easily to them without receiving training in it.  A lack of logic does not mean they are self-serving or bad-willed.
On the contrary, not studying logic can prevent a good woman from picking arguments with atheists who use logical arguments and their knowledge of fallacies to convert people to atheism. I know several Catholic college-educated women who were converted to atheism by their very logical atheistic boyfriends who convinced them logically that their Catholic beliefs were not logical. These women had thought that they could convert their boyfriends. That was their downfall.

In fact, I knew a Muslim convert to Roman Catholicism. He was still a catechumen, not baptized yet, but he was very zealous about the pearl of great price that he had found in Catholicism, so he decided to join an atheistic forum and try to convert these tough guys to Roman Catholicism.  He had taken one introductory course in logic and thought that he knew it all because he knew all the fallacies and he knew (or thought he knew) how to argue logically. After all, he had received the highest scores in his college class in Logic 101.

Within one week of joining that particular atheistic forum, he had left the Catholic faith and was an atheist.

The study of logic can lead to pride, and pride goeth before a fall.

Most of our saints were schooled, not in logic, but in the New Testament writings, Proverbs, and in the Psalms of David. They also knew the lives of the saints which they emulated.  Their school was the school of faith, hope, and love. It was their love of God that led to their heroic acts of virtue. For without love they would have been nothing. With the love of God in their souls, everything was possible.
Title: Re: Girl Pours Bleach On Men To Stop Man-Spreading
Post by: Jaynek on December 17, 2018, 06:46:57 PM
Most of our saints were schooled, not in logic, but in the New Testament writings, Proverbs, and in the Psalms of David. They also knew the lives of the saints which they emulated.  Their school was the school of faith, hope, and love. It was their love of God that led to their heroic acts of virtue. For without love they would have been nothing. With the love of God in their souls, everything was possible.
Study of logic is part of the Catholic intellectual tradition and is a characteristic of the scholastic writers.  A significant number of Saints were schooled in logic, so it is clear that it is not intrinsically wrong.  Nevertheless, I agree with your cautions regarding the danger of pride.  Since I am highly educated I am personally at risk for this.   And, course, you are right that such things are worthless in comparison to the love of God.
Title: Re: Girl Pours Bleach On Men To Stop Man-Spreading
Post by: Maria Regina on December 17, 2018, 06:53:33 PM
Study of logic is part of the Catholic intellectual tradition and is a characteristic of the scholastic writers.  A significant number of Saints were schooled in logic, so it is clear that it is not intrinsically wrong.  Nevertheless, I agree with your cautions regarding the danger of pride.  Since I am highly educated I am personally at risk for this.   And, course, you are right that such things are worthless in comparison to the love of God.
Thank you for your humility in this matter.

Title: Re: Girl Pours Bleach On Men To Stop Man-Spreading
Post by: Neil Obstat on December 19, 2018, 04:13:38 PM
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Not entirely relevant to the conversation at this point, but it should be noted that the story in the OP was later revealed to be paid actors -- the men were all willing participants.
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If this really had happened (not "fake news") before long a man would grab her forearm and splash the bleach into her face.
See how she likes that.
If she sues him, his defense would be it was an accident and he had no intention of harming her, merely defending himself.
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Title: Re: Girl Pours Bleach On Men To Stop Man-Spreading
Post by: Neil Obstat on December 19, 2018, 10:02:05 PM
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On the contrary, not studying logic can prevent a good woman from picking arguments with atheists who use logical arguments and their knowledge of fallacies to convert people to atheism. I know several Catholic college-educated women who were converted to atheism by their very logical atheistic boyfriends who convinced them logically that their Catholic beliefs were not logical. These women had thought that they could convert their boyfriends. That was their downfall.

In fact, I knew a Muslim convert to Roman Catholicism. He was still a catechumen, not baptized yet, but he was very zealous about the pearl of great price that he had found in Catholicism, so he decided to join an atheistic forum and try to convert these tough guys to Roman Catholicism.  He had taken one introductory course in logic and thought that he knew it all because he knew all the fallacies and he knew (or thought he knew) how to argue logically. After all, he had received the highest scores in his college class in Logic 101.

Within one week of joining that particular atheistic forum, he had left the Catholic faith and was an atheist.

The study of logic can lead to pride, and pride goeth before a fall.

Most of our saints were schooled, not in logic, but in the New Testament writings, Proverbs, and in the Psalms of David. They also knew the lives of the saints which they emulated.  Their school was the school of faith, hope, and love. It was their love of God that led to their heroic acts of virtue. For without love they would have been nothing. With the love of God in their souls, everything was possible.
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Study of logic is part of the Catholic intellectual tradition and is a characteristic of the scholastic writers.  A significant number of Saints were schooled in logic, so it is clear that it is not intrinsically wrong.  Nevertheless, I agree with your cautions regarding the danger of pride.  Since I am highly educated I am personally at risk for this.   And, course, you are right that such things are worthless in comparison to the love of God.
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The problem we face today with Catholics studying "logic" in college or thinking they're experts in logic but then fall prey to atheists who challenge them, is the following:
    Logic, properly so called, is no longer taught in colleges. The Catholic tradition of logic is nowhere to be found in today's colleges.
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Therefore, when students think they've done well studying what they call "logic" today in school, they're not learning the logic of the saints or the Church. They're learning a modern mathematical imitation of traditional logic. This deceptive imitation atheists have co-opted to argue against the truths of the Catholic faith. Therein lies the rub.