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Re: Girl Pours Bleach On Men To Stop Man-Spreading
« Reply #20 on: December 16, 2018, 12:44:44 PM »
I’m not against any of that. We also aren’t talking about in a court system. We are talking about in a marriage.

These are both situations involving authority.  The court system applies the authority of the state, while, within marriage, the husband has authority over his wife.  These situations use the same underlying Catholic principles concerning authority using physical force.


But when we are talking about in a marriage which is entirely different from this those situations. If a husband is allowed to do this who knows what kind of rules, or punishments he could apply.

Due to the fallen nature of humanity, there is always a possibility that a man could misuse the authority to punish his wife.  But this is separate from the question of whether such authority exists in the first place.  Wouldn't you agree that parents have the authority to use corporal punishment on children even though there are instances of parents misusing this authority?  Does the state have authority even though there are instances of state misuse of authority?

Re: Girl Pours Bleach On Men To Stop Man-Spreading
« Reply #21 on: December 16, 2018, 12:57:49 PM »
Yes, to both of your questions. I understand what you are saying, but I still don’t think husbands should be permitted to punish their wives. How does it even help with a happy marriage? Does the husband get punished if messes up? Why should the wife have to be punished when the man himself isn’t perfect either?


Re: Girl Pours Bleach On Men To Stop Man-Spreading
« Reply #22 on: December 16, 2018, 01:08:53 PM »
Yes, to both of your questions. I understand what you are saying, but I still don’t think husbands should be permitted to punish their wives. How does it even help with a happy marriage? Does the husband get punished if messes up? Why should the wife have to be punished when the man himself isn’t perfect either?
One could ask the same questions about parents punishing children.  Parents aren't perfect but still punish children.  Being perfect has nothing to do with the authority to punish.

You seem to be looking for excuses to support your position rather than starting with Catholic principles and logically considering how to apply them.

Re: Girl Pours Bleach On Men To Stop Man-Spreading
« Reply #23 on: December 16, 2018, 02:15:12 PM »
I’ve been sitting here for the past 3 days doing whatever research I could find on this. I’ve only so far found a few quotes on such topic, and it was about a wife cheating. Even then those quotes were from a different time. We don’t follow all rules of the last, now do we? Just because it was done, doesn’t mean it’s what should be done. It also doesn’t make it right. Know better, do better. The church never even had a stand on such a view until these past years. Past wives submit to your husbands, or wives fear your husbands.The word fear can be interrupted in a few different ways, and yes, one of them is by use of force. When you look at all other teachings how a husband should love his wife as himself, or as Christ loves the church. I think it’s safe to say God wasn’t for husbands punishing their wives in any physical way. I’m not against a husband discipline his spouse. Of course he should if she is failing in her duties!  But it should still be done with respect to her hunan dignity. There are other forms of punishment that I would say would be even more effective then hitting.


Re: Girl Pours Bleach On Men To Stop Man-Spreading
« Reply #24 on: December 16, 2018, 02:24:53 PM »
Does the husband get punished if messes up? 
It depends on how he "messes up", and what messes up means. But certainly not by the wife.

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Why should the wife have to be punished when the man himself isn’t perfect either?
Only God is perfect and both husbands and wives are imperfect. That does not take away husband's GOD-GIVEN authority over his wife. There always has to be order in creation   - and in creation  God made man to have a higher authority than the wife. So God set man over the woman, just as a woman has authority over her children. It is essential for a happy ordered existence in this valley of tears.