Ah yes for all of you who think that Mr. Bush was such a great "conservative" President let us retrace some of his finest moments in the neoconservative ideology he was converted to. Keep in mind that neoconservatism has roots in liberalism and Trotskyism and you can see that in Mr. Bush's words.

"Moral truth is the same in every culture, in every time, and every place."

"The requirements of freedom apply fully to the entire Islamic world."

"We are in a conflict between good and evil and America will call evil by its name."

"From the Fourteen Points to the Four Freedoms America has put our power at the service of freedom."

"Successful societies limit the power of the state and the power of the military- so that governments respond to the will of the people, and not the will of an elite."

"Successful societies guarentee religious liberty- the right to serve and honor God without fear of persecution."

"Successful societies...recognize the rights of women."

"Liberty is both the plan for humanity and the best hope for progress here on Earth."

"Free people are not drawn to violent and malignant ideologies."

"We have a responsibility when somebody hurts, government has got to move."

"I applaud the Supreme Court for recognizing diversity in America. Diversity is one of America's greatest strengths."

"I'm really concerned about protectionism, isolationism, and nativism."

Need I go on?

AMerica is evil, when applying Catholic/biblical standards, too bad Bush did not fight "terrorism' in the womb.....or Florida rest home.....

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AMerica is evil, when applying Catholic/biblical standards, too bad Bush did not fight "terrorism' in the womb.....or Florida rest home.....

Terrorism is an old Western military strategy that has been around since the Romans razed Carthage. What they won't tell you is that before 9/11 America called terrorists freedom fighters.

our Freedom Fighters are someone elses terrorists......when we do something, its considered noble, when someone outside our domain, its terrorism.......

Wendell Berry:

"We have lived by the assumption that what was good for us would be good for the world. We have been wrong."

"We are living in the most destructive and, hence, the most stupid period of the history of our species."

"What could be more absurd, to begin with, than our attitude of high moral outrage against other nations for manufacturing the selfsame weapons that we manufacture? The difference, as our leaders say, is that we will use these weapons virtuously, whereas our enemies will use them maliciously — a proposition that too readily conforms to a proposition of much less dignity: we will use them in our interest, whereas our enemies will use them in theirs. "

"We seek to preserve peace by fighting a war, or to advance freedom by subsidizing dictatorships, or to "win the hearts and minds of the people" by poisoning their crops and burning their villages and confining them in cσncєnтrαтισn cαмρs; we seek to uphold the "truth" of our cause with lies, or to answer conscientious dissent with threats and slurs and intimidations.."

Wow, pretty broad strokes filled with hatred and racism and stereotypes all around...Are the Pharisees and Saducees here??

Wow I knew neo-cons were former liberals but did this too much.

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Ah yes for all of you who think that Mr. Bush was such a great "conservative" President let us retrace some of his finest moments in the neoconservative ideology he was converted to. Keep in mind that neoconservatism has roots in liberalism and Trotskyism and you can see that in Mr. Bush's words.

"Moral truth is the same in every culture, in every time, and every place."

"The requirements of freedom apply fully to the entire Islamic world."

"We are in a conflict between good and evil and America will call evil by its name."

"From the Fourteen Points to the Four Freedoms America has put our power at the service of freedom."

"Successful societies limit the power of the state and the power of the military- so that governments respond to the will of the people, and not the will of an elite."

"Successful societies guarentee religious liberty- the right to serve and honor God without fear of persecution."

"Successful societies...recognize the rights of women."

"Liberty is both the plan for humanity and the best hope for progress here on Earth."

"Free people are not drawn to violent and malignant ideologies."

"We have a responsibility when somebody hurts, government has got to move."

"I applaud the Supreme Court for recognizing diversity in America. Diversity is one of America's greatest strengths."

"I'm really concerned about protectionism, isolationism, and nativism."

Need I go on?

Socially and fiscally, the people whom we call conservative have all allowed the government to grow and not cared about how to pay for it. They have also contributed to the moral decline of the world.  I want ROnald Regan back.

Reagan plunged the nation into deep debt, added to it, did not eliminate the Fed,and as Gov, was a promoter of contraception ,gαy rights and abortion......did nothing about these issues as Prez.no thanks, the Idol of Conservatism not wanted...Christ the King is!

Guy, once again you need to do a little more reading before posting.  The true conservatives are well read & don't/didn't support Bush for they know that he is part of the NWO cabel.  As a matter of fact, he's well entrenched there; he was a good spokeshole for the 'conservatives' so they would be lead to believe that they had a voice in government.

Guy, once again you need to do a little more reading before posting.  The true conservatives are well read & don't/didn't support Bush for they know that he is part of the NWO cabel.  As a matter of fact, he's well entrenched there; he was a good spokeshole for the 'conservatives' so they would be lead to believe that they had a voice in government.

provide what reading materials the rubes should read.......links?

and again, define hard definitions of American/Tory "conesrvatism", I have yet to see any core, defined beliefs.......

also, listen to the Lofton Mp3 I noted "The Failure of Modern COnservatism and how Rush Limbaugh typifies this failure"....rad Lofton's bio and his background in 30 yrs of conservatism....he himself is a self descrivbed 5 points Calvinist and defines himself as a 'C' for Christian (he is a disciple of Rushodoony).

here, let me help, talk:

http://archive.theamericanview.com/index.php?id=1419

Bio:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Lofton

moved and shook with a lot of "conservative" people and groups, even got mentioend in Reagans book as he assailed Reagan for liberalism......