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roscoe · « **on:** April 29, 2022, 11:27:40 PM »

Has anyone read my article The Real Galileo on firstjesuits.wordpress.com ?

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #1 on:** April 29, 2022, 11:31:55 PM »

I have not. I do not plan to do so. Somehow, I think the same may be said of most, if not all, of the members on CI.

You asked if "anyone" (anywhere?) had read it. Perhaps someone has, but not I.

Cheers. Smoke em if ya got em.

cassini · « **Reply #2 on:** April 30, 2022, 08:23:29 AM »

Quote from: roscoe on April 29, 2022, 11:27:40 PM

Has anyone read my article The Real Galileo on firstjesuits.wordpress.com ?

No, can you tell me how to find it roscoe.

Emile · « **Reply #3 on:** April 30, 2022, 08:30:29 AM »

https://firstjesuits.wordpress.com/

cassini · « **Reply #4 on:** April 30, 2022, 10:05:08 AM »

https://firstjesuits.wordpress.com/ - My article says roscoe

Quote roscoe;
It is Newton’s theory of Gravity along with James Bradley in 1725 that proves Earth around Sun.

Comment:
‘Whether the Earth rotates once a day from west to east as Copernicus taught, or the heavens revolve once a day from east to west as his predecessors believed, the observable phenomena will be exactly the same. This shows a defect in Newtonian dynamics, since an empirical science ought not to contain a metaphysical assumption that cannot be proved or disproved by observation.’ (Bertrand Russell: quoted in D. D. Sciama’s The Unity of the Universe, p.18.)

‘All modern cosmology stands or falls with this concept [the Copernican Principle] being correct, even though, to quote a text approved by Einstein: “We cannot feel our motion through space, nor has any experiment proved the Earth in motion.”’ (Lincoln Barnett: The universe and Dr. Einstein, Dover Publications, 1948, p.73.)

'Nor has any experiment proved the Earth in motion' says Einstein. And that is why he invented his Special Theory of Relativity, to try to save a 'relative solar system.'

Quote Roscoe:
'The later experiment of Focault’s Pendulum proves that Earth rotates on an axis.'

Comment.
Now read up about the Foucault pendulum fake.

https://savageplane.wordpress.com/2016/11/27/is-foucaults-fraudulent-pendulum-a-religious-tool/

When the basis of an essay on Galileo is written under the illusion that heliocentrism is proven, then the essay is biased in many ways.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #5 on:** April 30, 2022, 01:05:05 PM »

Quote from: roscoe on April 29, 2022, 11:27:40 PM

Has anyone read my article The Real Galileo on firstjesuits.wordpress.com ?

from article:

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It is Newton’s theory of Gravity along with James Bradley in 1725 that proves Earth around Sun.

So, how does a theory "prove" something?

Tradman · « **Reply #6 on:** April 30, 2022, 02:52:01 PM »

Galileo challenged true Christianity with Pythagorean doctrine, bringing about revolution that is destroying the Catholic faith to this day. This book, seems to be written in similar fashion to Dickson White's book on science and the Church is written from the other side of the argument, but has many quotes from saints about how the Church fought this demonic theory.
https://smile.amazon.com//dp/B09X3DQKXN?
For more than a thousand years, Christians denounced the Pythagoreans. They complained that Pythagoras did "ten thousand kinds of sorcery": healing the sick, predicting events, and stopping storms over rivers and seas so that his disciples might sail across them, like Jesus Christ. Some pagans said that Pythagoras was the son of the god Apollo and a human mother. Whereas Jesus died and resurrected only once, Pythagoras survived death multiple times as his soul was repeatedly reborn in other bodies. Whereas Jesus was dead for less than three days before his resurrection, Pythagoras allegedly spent two centuries in Hell, yet he returned to life. And similarly to the apostles of Jesus, some of the disciples of Pythagoras allegedly exorcised demons and resurrected the dead. But unlike the apostles, some of the Pythagoreans returned to life after death. Saint Hippolytus of Rome criticized this "alliance between heresy and the Pythagorean philosophy," and he denounced the "disciples not of Christ but of Pythagoras." The Pythagorean cosmology also troubled the Christians. The Pythagoreans said that that the infernal regions begin with the Milky Way, souls fall from it to Earth, and that animals’ souls come from the stars. They said the Earth moves, and that stars and planets were other worlds. They said that souls live in those countless worlds, and that there were demons living on the Moon. They said that Pythagoras came from Jupiter and had lived on the Moon as a demon.
For centuries, the Christians rejected such “poisonous doctrines” and “devilish lies” of the Pythagoreans. The present book traces the development of Pythagorean beliefs about religion and astronomy, explaining how Church Fathers condemned such beliefs, and how that conflict reappeared in the Renaissance. This book is related to Burned Alive: Giordano Bruno, Galileo, and the Inquisition (Reaktion, 2018). While that book focused on Bruno, Galileo, and the Inquisition, this new book focuses on the religious conflicts between Christians and Pythagoreans. Historians know that the Pythagoreans were a secretive religious group, yet there was no historical account of how the early Christians criticized their evolving pagan beliefs and how such heresies resurfaced in the Copernican Revolution. How did the ancient Pythagorean religion relate to astronomy? How did it clash with Christianity?
Alberto A. Martinez is a professor of history at the University of Texas at Austin. He is the author of several books, including Burned Alive (2018), The Cult of Pythagoras: Math and Myths (Univ. of Pittsburgh Press, 2012), Science Secrets (Univ. of Pittsburgh Press, 2011), Kinematics: the Lost Origins of Einstein's Relativity (Johns Hopkins University Press, 2009), and Negative Math (Princeton University Press, 2005).

cassini · « **Reply #7 on:** April 30, 2022, 03:49:00 PM »

Never spotted Martinez's new book. Thanks Tradman.

Martinez is an Earthmover. I spoke to him and corresponded with him about his first book and his second book Burned Alive, Reaktion Books, London, 2018

In fact this book, Burned Alive and I am sure the new one, gives a history of the Church's fight against Pythagoreanism over the first 3 centuries after Christ that I never saw before. His book is the first ever to give the real reasons why the Church took the Bruno case and the Galileo case so seriously. Pope Urban VIII said Galileoism was a greater threat to Christianity than Luther's reformation. That this truth should come out of a heliocentrist like Prof. Martinez is God working in strange ways..

roscoe · « **Reply #8 on:** April 30, 2022, 06:58:38 PM »

I have never heard the term Galileoism. Pope Urban is( as we should expect) correct but it is not the astronomical theories of Galileo he is referring to-- it is the latter's conception of Nuclear Physics. This is why another dangerous soul( Einstien0 ) refers to Galileo as " The father of Nuclear Physics"-- NOT Astronomy...

Tradman · « **Reply #9 on:** April 30, 2022, 08:07:43 PM »

Quote from: cassini on April 30, 2022, 03:49:00 PM

Never spotted Martinez's new book. Thanks Tradman.

Martinez is an Earthmover. I spoke to him and corresponded with him about his first book and his second book Burned Alive, Reaktion Books, London, 2018

In fact this book, Burned Alive and I am sure the new one, gives a history of the Church's fight against Pythagoreanism over the first 3 centuries after Christ that I never saw before. His book is the first ever to give the real reasons why the Church took the Bruno case and the Galileo case so seriously. Pope Urban VIII said Galileoism was a greater threat to Christianity than Luther's reformation. That this truth should come out of a heliocentrist like Prof. Martinez is God working in strange ways..

Yea, I'm considering this book for the historical quotes. Should be interesting.

cassini · « **Reply #10 on:** May 01, 2022, 08:26:33 AM »

Quote from: roscoe on April 30, 2022, 06:58:38 PM

I have never heard the term Galileoism. Pope Urban is( as we should expect) correct but it is not the astronomical theories of Galileo he is referring to-- it is the latter's conception of Nuclear Physics. This is why another dangerous soul( Einstien0 ) refers to Galileo as " The father of Nuclear Physics"-- NOT Astronomy...

Galileoism means belief that the Biblical moving sun can be read as a fixed sun.

‘In past evil times, the faithful were able to avoid the snares of Satan by solicitously seeking truth through observation of objective reality and arriving at a Catholic solution within a Catholic cosmology. But this has been greatly reduced due to a systematic attack destroying people’s ability to trust their senses, something necessary for living in the real world. It is necessary for man to trust his senses in comprehending objective reality before he is able to discern spiritual reality… Replacing what we see with the new “reality” of his fanciful ideas logically culminates in utopian idealism which is unattached to his sensory experience…..But Galileoism is much more serious than a denial of objective reality. Words which were used to express eternal truths have been emptied of their metaphysical meaning that relates creation to the Holy Trinity. These are spiritual realities. People are unable to comprehend or understand the effects that trace all creatures back to their Cause which is God. Their minds have been cut from the moorings in truth and set adrift, wandering aimlessly on an illusionary journey of psychological voyeurism.’ (John R. Fohne’s essay: Galileoism, a Cosmology for Culture of Death.)

cassini · « **Reply #11 on:** May 01, 2022, 08:58:13 AM »

Quote from: roscoe on April 30, 2022, 06:58:38 PM

Pope Urban is (as we should expect) correct but it is not the astronomical theories of Galileo he is referring to-- it is the latter's conception of Nuclear Physics. This is why another dangerous soul (Einstien) refers to Galileo as " The father of Nuclear Physics"-- NOT Astronomy...

‘[St] Thomas also denied the claim that there are multiple worlds. Like Hippolytus, he attributed this false claim to those who did not acknowledge the ordering wisdom of God. St Thomas declared: “Those who posit many worlds do not believe in any ordaining wisdom, but in chance, as Democritus, who said that this world and infinitely many others came from a concourse of atoms.”’ ---Martinez, Burned Alive.

‘I can imagine an infinite number of worlds like the Earth, with Garden of Eden on each one. In all these gardens of Eden, half the [alien] Adams and Eves will not eat the fruit of knowledge, but half will. But half of infinity is infinity, so an infinite number of worlds will fall from grace and there will be an infinite number of crucifixions.’ --- As quoted by Martinez in his book Burned Alive.

Long forgotten now are all the other Pythagorean heresies condemned by the Fathers over the first three centuries of the Catholic Church; an era recalled and described in a new book written by Professor Alberto. A. Martinez. In this scholarly book, Martinez tells us ‘Saint Hippolytus [170-235AD, a martyred Christian theologian] ridiculed the doctrine of infinitely many suns, moons and worlds, some inhabited.’ The Professor tells us: ‘around 260CE Pope Dionysus of Alexandria wrote a tract against the Epicureans mainly to criticize their theory that all things were composed of atoms without divine Providence.’ Martinez explains that this tract was directed against the theory that atoms clash and combine by chance ‘and thus gradually form this world and all objects in it; and more, that they construct infinite worlds.’ The study also identifies many Church Fathers who condemned the claim that there are many worlds like ours. Martinez records ‘in 384CE’ Philaster, Bishop of Brescia condemned the ‘heresy that says worlds are infinite and innumerable…whereas Scripture teaches us that it is one.’ In 402 St Jerome complained that one of the most heretical claims of all was that ‘worlds are innumerable.’ St. Augustine even composed a list of 88 such heresies; the 77th was innumerable worlds.’

‘Other theologians too cited this heresy for centuries. They explained the problem: “we cannot assert that there exist two or many worlds, since neither do we assert two or many Christs [the only begotten son]”’ --- Prof. A. A. Martinez.

Catholicism today;

‘Father Funes described the discovery as ‘great news.’ Writing in the Vatican’s daily newspaper L’Osservatore Romano, he said: ‘Our galaxy contains more than a hundred billion stars. ‘Considering the number of exoplanets discovered, it seems that the vast majority of stars in our galaxy, at least potentially, can have planets where life could develop.’ He said that if there is intelligent life found on another planet, he does not see it as a contradiction to the Christian faith. He said: ‘The Bible is not a scientific book. If we look for scientific responses to our questions in the Bible, we are making a mistake. It is just over 380 years since the Catholic Church condemned Galileo for arguing that the Earth was not the centre of the universe. But it seems the Vatican has relaxed its view of mankind’s place in the cosmos and even believes there may be intelligent alien life out there. Astronomers at the Vatican Observatory, which has been studying the heavens since 1582, have said discoveries of new Earth-like planets have strengthened their belief that there could be life on other planets.’ ---Mailonline, 8th Feb, 2018.

cassini · « **Reply #12 on:** May 01, 2022, 09:28:47 AM »

Quote from: roscoe on April 30, 2022, 06:58:38 PM

Pope Urban is (as we should expect) correct but it is not the astronomical theories of Galileo he is referring to-- it is the latter's conception of Nuclear Physics. This is why another dangerous soul (Einstien0 ) refers to Galileo as " The father of Nuclear Physics"-- NOT Astronomy...

The historian Pietro Redondi, who in his research came upon a commission docuмent denouncing the atomism in Galileo’s 1623 book The Assayer. Redondi proposed that Galileo’s crime was the threat ‘atomism’ presented to the dogma of transubstantiation, but that Pope Urban VIII covered it up with Galileo’s doctrine of heliocentrism.

The Church records show no direct accusation of ‘atomism’ against Galileo. The only heresy Galileo was found to be asserting was to deny the Bible's literal revelation of a moving sun (as in geocentrism) in his book Dialogue. However, as Martinez confirmed in his book, the Inquisition was aware of all the ideas and heresies that Galileo’s moving Earth could resurrect and atomism was certainly one of them. And how right Pope Paul V and Pope Urban VIII were when they said that accepting heliocentrism would bring about many of the other heresies of the past. were when heliocentrism was adopted as true, there followed many of the condemned heresies of the Pythagoreans and Epicureans, the Nebular theory, an evolved solar-system by way of atoms as held by most scientists today as well as the evolution of other worlds, intelligent aliens and even now Hawking’s matter from nothing.

cassini · « **Reply #13 on:** May 01, 2022, 10:47:42 AM »

Quote from: roscoe on April 30, 2022, 06:58:38 PM

Pope Urban is (as we should expect) correct but it is not the astronomical theories of Galileo he is referring to-- it is the latter's conception of Nuclear Physics. This is why another dangerous soul (Einstien0) refers to Galileo as " The father of Nuclear Physics"-- NOT Astronomy...

I have wondered why roscoe you should start up this subject on Galileo given you reply to most comments on Galileo with "E revs around S." Now I get it. You want to dismiss the heresy Galileo committeed was biblical astronomy and replace it with creation by way of Newton's gravitation of atoms.
This way you can claim the Church did not err with Galileo's condemnation. And here I thought you had converted to Catholic geocentrism.

Between 1755 and 1796, Immanuel Kant and Simon de Laplace conjured up the Nebular Theory, a conjecture under the guise of a scientific hypothesis that asserted Galileo’s solar system evolved naturally from atoms and dust with the universe itself, another old Epicurean belief condemned by the Church as heresy. So, Galileo’s heliocentrism now led all to include another of Bruno’s heresies as Pope Urban VIII predicted it would. The battle between a divine supernatural Creation and a ‘natural’ evolution had advanced. In time came the final concession to this evolved solar-system within the Catholic Church itself: In otherr words, when Pope Pius VII conceded to a heliocentric solar system, he in fact conceded to its evolution from atoms. Sure its no wonder naturalism, atheism and Moderrnism took over the world from then.

roscoe · « **Reply #14 on:** May 01, 2022, 02:08:27 PM »

The above post MAKES ABSOLUTLY NO SENSE TO MOI. I have never been a 'geo-centrist" & have always trashed Galileo's helio-centrism.MO is that E & S are both in motion.

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