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Re: Fr Paul Robinson SSPX. v Young Earth Creationists
« Reply #300 on: May 24, 2022, 01:46:26 PM »
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  • Just got Fr Paul Robinson SSPX's book  THE REALIST GUIDE TO RELIGION AND SCIENCE to read again from a friend. He said I could keep it. I can now answer any questions on it. I will be back later 9after dinner, steak tonight0 to answer Ladislaus first.

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    Re: Fr Paul Robinson SSPX. v Young Earth Creationists
    « Reply #301 on: May 24, 2022, 03:26:35 PM »
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  • Just got Fr Paul Robinson SSPX's book  THE REALIST GUIDE TO RELIGION AND SCIENCE to read again from a friend. He said I could keep it. I can now answer any questions on it. I will be back later 9after dinner, steak tonight0 to answer Ladislaus first.

    Understanding Fr Robinson's beliefs lies in the word REALIST of his book. Over 500 pages telling us in a very philosophic way what he believes in. In other words, he gives you two beliefs but rarely states the one he believes in. Ratzinger used the same tactics by quoting others. If later he is accused on holding this belief he sayas it wasn't his belief but the one he was quoting.
    For him, the modern Catholic has two truths that cannot contradict one another, science first and faith last. He begins  with his proof that the world is 13.5 billion years old. He bases this on the distance of stars, a proven scientific distance. He is a believer in the Big Bang that took 13.5 billion years to expand. This is his first 'science' that means we cannot take Genesis and the dates in it for then faith and science clash. And according to our Catholic faith, the two cannot clash.

    Now in Genesis, Moses, inspired by the Holy Ghost, said literally, that God created the stars visible on Earth on the fourth day. So if one has fasith in God's revelations, there was never any delayed star-time.The Bible reveals God created the world geocentric, with the stars rotating around the Earth. Copernicus said if this was true, then the stars would expand like a circular swing. In other words, faith in Genesis would contradict modern science that conjured up a Big Bang from Hubble's find of expanding stars.

    Now as a priest you would think Catholic faith in the word of God should come first and human reasoning second. Not with Fr Robinson. If he was present at the wedding when Jesus turned water into wine, and tasted what must have been the nicest wine ever made, he would have said: 'This is matured wine, it could not have been made today, it must have been stored up to mature its so nice.

    Fr Robinson says he is not a theistic evolutionist. He certainly does not believe Adam's body came from a monkey. He stretches his understanding of animals being created by God in that time. How God did it he doesn't say but behing the screen lies theistic=-evolution. What other way could animals be if the Earth is billions of years ol;d.

    Now to understand the faith and science of modern Catholicism, you must know it is basded on the 1820 concession to Galileo's heliocentrism and his heliocentric exeges and hermeneutics. Pope Leo ZIII in Providentissimus deus allowed 'science' to correct misunderstood meanings of the Bible. Fr Robinsobn quotesd Leo as Catholic faith with regard to faith and science. He also quotesd Pius XII saying to the PAS that the Big Bang billions of years ago was God's created act. Thus FGr Robinson can quote popes and Catholic  belief as supporting his 13.8 billion years Genesis.

    Apologies for any typo errors,.


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    Re: Fr Paul Robinson SSPX. v Young Earth Creationists
    « Reply #302 on: May 24, 2022, 03:31:48 PM »
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  • Now in Genesis, Moses, inspired by the Holy Ghost, said literally, that God created the stars visible on Earth on the fourth day.

    Does he even attempt to explain this?  I would say that the "Holy Ghost, using Moses, said literally ..."  Moses was just an instrument of the Holy Ghost, just as we would write something with a pen (although done in an incredibly mysterious way).

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    Re: Fr Paul Robinson SSPX. v Young Earth Creationists
    « Reply #303 on: May 24, 2022, 03:34:34 PM »
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  • Now as a [Traditional Catholic] priest you would think Catholic faith in the word of God should come first and human reasoning second. Not with Fr Robinson.

    My addition in bold.  Sure, with an NO priest, this is to be expected, but ESPECIALLY would be expected of a Traditional Catholic priest.  That makes his writing especially scandalous, since it could lead Traditional Catholics into believing his Modernist BS because, it's a Traditional Catholic priest, so it can't be that wrong.  And SSPX promotes his Modernist trash, that is not good to be used as toilet paper.

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    Re: Fr Paul Robinson SSPX. v Young Earth Creationists
    « Reply #304 on: May 24, 2022, 03:37:34 PM »
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  • Does he even attempt to explain this?  I would say that the "Holy Ghost, using Moses, said literally ..."  Moses was just an instrument of the Holy Ghost, just as we would write something with a pen (although done in an incredibly mysterious way).

    No Ladislaus, Fr Robinson does not even mention this fact. I use it to show the Faith side of the distance of stars that explains the faith distance contrary to Fr Robinson's preferred scientific explanation of them for Catholics.


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    Re: Fr Paul Robinson SSPX. v Young Earth Creationists
    « Reply #305 on: May 24, 2022, 03:39:35 PM »
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  • I asked him what his position is, I'll let you know what he says.
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: Fr Paul Robinson SSPX. v Young Earth Creationists
    « Reply #306 on: May 24, 2022, 03:40:32 PM »
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  • My addition in bold.  Sure, with an NO priest, this is to be expected, but ESPECIALLY would be expected of a Traditional Catholic priest.  That makes his writing especially scandalous, since it could lead Traditional Catholics into believing his Modernist BS because, it's a Traditional Catholic priest, so it can't be that wrong.  And SSPX promotes his Modernist trash, that is not good to be used as toilet paper.

    I got word there are priests in the SSPX that are outraged that a priest of the SSPx could be allowed to write such a book and have condemned it locally.

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    Re: Fr Paul Robinson SSPX. v Young Earth Creationists
    « Reply #307 on: May 24, 2022, 03:53:43 PM »
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  • I got word there are priests in the SSPX that are outraged that a priest of the SSPx could be allowed to write such a book and have condemned it locally.

    I am glad to hear that.  Apart from those faithful, however, who have heard those priests speak out against it, the damage done by such a book coming out under the auspices of a Traditional Catholic group is incalculable.  There would have been less damage had an SSPX priest written a pornographic smut novel, since at least the faithful would easily realize that it was inappropriate.  But with this stuff, I can see it making many Traditional Catholics lend more credence to atheistic-agenda-driven modern science and to doubt the Sacred Scriptures.  Fr. Robinson's book should be recalled, burned, and put on the Index.  Sacred Scripture was the first target of the Modernists, and the damage done against belief in the inerrancy and historicity of Sacred Scripture has been widespread.


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    Re: Fr Paul Robinson SSPX. v Young Earth Creationists
    « Reply #308 on: May 24, 2022, 03:56:01 PM »
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  • Out of curiosity, how many here have read his book apart from Cassini?
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: Fr Paul Robinson SSPX. v Young Earth Creationists
    « Reply #309 on: May 24, 2022, 04:01:19 PM »
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  • Out of curiosity, how many here have read his book apart from Cassini?

    I haven't read it, but it's been quoted from extensively here and elsewhere on the internet.  I would read it if I can get a copy without paying for it, since I don't want to support it financially.  Father Robinson also made himself infamous by refusing to sign jab religious exemption letters.

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    Re: Fr Paul Robinson SSPX. v Young Earth Creationists
    « Reply #310 on: May 24, 2022, 04:02:55 PM »
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  • I haven't read it, but it's been quoted from extensively here and elsewhere on the internet.  I would read it if I can get a copy without paying for it, since I don't want to support it financially.
    That's fair. I ask because he said that people condemning him as a theistic-evolutionist is due to them not reading his book.

    I haven't myself, which is why I'm not going to make a determination either way here. But I have seen the fruits of that book when I was on FE and the fence-sitting of some there on the evolution debate due to reading his book. And, then, as for me, as some of you already know, I don't even entertain the possibility of evolution since I'm a YEC and "true earther". :laugh1:
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]


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    Re: Fr Paul Robinson SSPX. v Young Earth Creationists
    « Reply #311 on: May 24, 2022, 04:19:10 PM »
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  • That's fair. I ask because he said that people condemning him as a theistic-evolutionist is due to them not reading his book.

    That's why I asked ... which part of "theistic evolution" does he reject, the "evolution" or the "theistic"?

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    Re: Fr Paul Robinson SSPX. v Young Earth Creationists
    « Reply #312 on: May 24, 2022, 04:23:00 PM »
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  • I could be persuaded that the universe is older than 6,000 years, in that even the Holy Office under Pope St. Pius X permitted that thinking ... since it doesn't contradict Sacred Scripture to take a different perspective on what a "day" means (since there were days/nights before the creation of the sun and moon).  But of course that is NO ONE's argument today, because 99.9% of those who believe the universe is billions of years old do not believe that God created the sun, moon, starts LATER.

    But there's no getting around the contradiction of Sacred Scripture in holding that the stars and the sun were created before the earth.  Zero.

    Nor is there any getting around the contradiction of Sacred Scripture to believe that human beings have been around longer than (about) 6,000 years.

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    Re: Fr Paul Robinson SSPX. v Young Earth Creationists
    « Reply #313 on: May 24, 2022, 06:33:58 PM »
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  • That's why I asked ... which part of "theistic evolution" does he reject, the "evolution" or the "theistic"?
    He rejects evolution and holds to an "old earth creationism". Which, in my opinion, is erroneous, but I don't know if I would say heretical and certainly isn't indefensible. I'd be interested in reading his book to see why he holds that view, but I still have major problems with the earth purported to be billions of years old or whatever.
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: Fr Paul Robinson SSPX. v Young Earth Creationists
    « Reply #314 on: May 24, 2022, 06:52:55 PM »
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  • Understanding Fr Robinson's beliefs lies in the word REALIST of his book. Over 500 pages telling us in a very philosophic way what he believes in. In other words, he gives you two beliefs but rarely states the one he believes in. Ratzinger used the same tactics by quoting others. If later he is accused on holding this belief he sayas it wasn't his belief but the one he was quoting.
    For him, the modern Catholic has two truths that cannot contradict one another, science first and faith last. He begins  with his proof that the world is 13.5 billion years old. He bases this on the distance of stars, a proven scientific distance. He is a believer in the Big Bang that took 13.5 billion years to expand. This is his first 'science' that means we cannot take Genesis and the dates in it for then faith and science clash. And according to our Catholic faith, the two cannot clash.

    Now in Genesis, Moses, inspired by the Holy Ghost, said literally, that God created the stars visible on Earth on the fourth day. So if one has fasith in God's revelations, there was never any delayed star-time.The Bible reveals God created the world geocentric, with the stars rotating around the Earth. Copernicus said if this was true, then the stars would expand like a circular swing. In other words, faith in Genesis would contradict modern science that conjured up a Big Bang from Hubble's find of expanding stars.

    Now as a priest you would think Catholic faith in the word of God should come first and human reasoning second. Not with Fr Robinson. If he was present at the wedding when Jesus turned water into wine, and tasted what must have been the nicest wine ever made, he would have said: 'This is matured wine, it could not have been made today, it must have been stored up to mature its so nice.

    Fr Robinson says he is not a theistic evolutionist. He certainly does not believe Adam's body came from a monkey. He stretches his understanding of animals being created by God in that time. How God did it he doesn't say but behing the screen lies theistic=-evolution. What other way could animals be if the Earth is billions of years ol;d.

    Now to understand the faith and science of modern Catholicism, you must know it is basded on the 1820 concession to Galileo's heliocentrism and his heliocentric exeges and hermeneutics. Pope Leo ZIII in Providentissimus deus allowed 'science' to correct misunderstood meanings of the Bible. Fr Robinsobn quotesd Leo as Catholic faith with regard to faith and science. He also quotesd Pius XII saying to the PAS that the Big Bang billions of years ago was God's created act. Thus FGr Robinson can quote popes and Catholic  belief as supporting his 13.8 billion years Genesis.

    Apologies for any typo errors,.

    Spot on Cassini! 
    You're the best man for the Fr. Paul Robinson analysis.

    Somehow, Fr. Paul, the computer engineer, absorbed some of Teilhard de Chardin's illusory thinking of the "cosmology of man".
    Since Fr. Paul, wasn't truly trained in the hard sciences and was easily misled.


    I caution reading any of Fr. de Chardin's works because he was fundamentally insane.
    As Bp. Williamson once lectured, his mind was unhinged.

    Related to de Chardin's life and his theories.

     1. It has been revealed, that the Rothschilds funded and promoted Charles Darwin's book, "Origin of the Species".
        Jєωs blow gasket over Darwin revelation

    2. This:

    Fr. Teilhard de Chardin probably did as much to justify the liturgical revolution as anyone in the Catholic Church with his “new Christianity” based on evolution. But did you know that he prayed, "O God, if in my life I have not been wrong, allow me to die on Easter Sunday"? — Read any biography of him and it will tell you that Pierre Teilhard de Chardin died of a heart attack on April 10, 1955, at 6 p.m., after attending Holy Mass on Easter Sunday. Thus, his disciples conclude that his prayer was answered in the affirmative.
    Fr. Teilhard de Chardin, S. J.
    But was it?


    According to God’s time, according to Liturgical Time, did he die on Easter Sunday?
    No, he did not.
    According to God’s time, according to liturgical time, according to the daily rhythm established by God Himself in the Hexameron, Fr. Teilhard de Chardin died on Easter Monday, at the hour of Vespers, when the Church prays as She has done for almost 1500 years:
    Blest Creator of the light
    Who mak'st the day with radiance bright.
    And o'er the forming world didst call
    The light from chaos first of all;
    Whose wisdom joined in meet array
    The morn and eve, and named them Day:
    Night comes with all its darkling fears;
    Regard Thy people's prayers and tears.
    Lest, sunk in sin, and whelmed with strife,
    they lose the gift of endless life.
    While thinking but the thoughts of time,
    They weave new chains of woe and crime.
    But grant them grace that they may strain
    The Heavenly gate and prize to gain:
    Each harmful lure aside to cast
    And purge away each error past.
    And can it be a coincidence that the prayer of Vespers that sums up the work of Monday, the second day of creation, the day on which, liturgically speaking, Fr. Teilhard de Chardin met his Maker, includes these words:
    Pour forth now, most gracious Lord,
    The gift of Thy never-failing grace,
    Lest by the misfortune of some new deception
    The old error should overwhelm us.

    The words in bold appear remarkably prophetic in relation to Fr. de Chardin’s errors, since, as anyone who reads St. Irenaeus’s second-century work Against Heresies can attest, the evolutionary account of the origins of man and the universe is a very “old error” indeed and was widespread in the days of the Apostles and Church Fathers. Thus, for those who have eyes to see and ears to hear, the prayer of Fr. Teilhard de Chardin was answered—in the negative!










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