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Re: Fr Paul Robinson SSPX. v Young Earth Creationists
« Reply #270 on: September 02, 2021, 10:56:00 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on September 02, 2021, 06:52:30 AM
    This garbage goes on for hours and hours and hours ... and cannot be reduced to a "few clips taken out of context".  There's a short video where George H.W. Bush was being rolled through NASA in a wheel chair and --oops-- you could actually see the "astronaut" who was allegedly live from space doing his act in front of a green screen.  It's to the point of being absurd.
    You mean this: https://flatearth.ws/iss-green-screen

    Look at what's in the background. It's not the astronaut, but a video screen. The astronaut isn't there, and the astronaut is NOT even in front of a green screen. The background is a grid.

    And that illustrates a key difficulty discussing any of this with people like you.

    You've seen some things in the past that you didn't really understand and can't remember exactly. Now you think there are, say, a hundred "anomalies" with NASA, though most of these are easily explained. So people try explaining these "anomalies" to you, but you always have in your mind that even if we correctly explain this one or that one, there are a bunch of other "anomalies" that "prove" your view.

    That's why your responses don't stay on point; you're always jumping to other topics, in effect "what about this" and "what about that".
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    Re: Fr Paul Robinson SSPX. v Young Earth Creationists
    « Reply #271 on: September 03, 2021, 05:37:42 AM »
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    • Quote from: Nadir on September 02, 2021, 05:38:27 PM
    I am puzzled that there appear two videos and when I click Quote there are three title but no links to videos. Never mind.

    The point I wish to make is that in the BBC video we have none other that the anti-creation, humanity despising, godless David Attenborough, sprouting nothing but emotive projection of human qualities onto mere animals. Pure emotion. If you turn off the sound and just watch the visual, there is nothing to see.

    Attenborough described humans as a "plague on the Earth",[112][113] and criticised the act of sending food to famine-stricken countries while overlooking population control.[114]

    In his 2020 docuмentary film David Attenborough: A Life On Our Planet, Attenborough advocates for people to adopt a vegetarian diet or to reduce meat consumption in order to save wildlife, noting that "the planet can’t support billions of meat-eaters."[103]

    In 2002, Attenborough joined an effort by leading clerics and scientists to oppose the inclusion of creationism in the curriculum of UK state-funded independent schools which receive private sponsorship, such as the Emmanuel Schools Foundation.[119] In 2009, he stated that the Book of Genesis, by saying that the world was there for people to dominate, had taught generations that they can "dominate" the environment, and that this has resulted in the devastation of vast areas of the environment. He further explained to the science journal Nature, "That's why Darwinism, and the fact of evolution, is of great importance, because it is that attitude which has led to the devastation of so much, and we are in the situation that we are in."[120]
    Be careful of your sources.

    Have you checked out Kolbe Creation yet, Dankward?

    Great Post Nadir. Those poor seals. Has anyone ever seen a salmon with a big bite of flesh caused by a seal? Fish it seems, are the forgotten creature. They don't count in the food chain. All their predators are admired, photographed and molly-cuddled. Well I have a special regard for fish and little for seals and elephant seals and walruses. But it was God who created them, probably after the Fall, so who am I to complain.
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    Re: Fr Paul Robinson SSPX. v Young Earth Creationists
    « Reply #272 on: September 03, 2021, 06:39:26 AM »
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    • No, Stan, it’s not about having seen one or two things.  It’s about having seen literally hours of faked NASA footage ... from Mars rovers in Greenland to the hours of proof that the moon landings were faked, from objects that astronauts pretended to be grabbing bring invisible or passing right through their hands, to astronauts obviously hanging on wire harnesses, to astronauts pretending to be doing space walks but having air bubbles floating around them making it obvious that it was filmed in the underwater “training” center at Johnson ... scenes of fakery which go on for hours.

    But you are so brainwashed that you refuse to look any of it but prefer to impugn the Word of God.  You’re actually a pathetic individual ... ignorant of the fact that “science” has had a very deliberate and open agenda to attack God for the past 200-300 years at least.  Study a bit of their correspondence with each other.

    Then there’s the massive Masonic symbolism all over NASA, the fact that most of the Apollo astronauts were Masons, and NASA’s original founders were tied to the occult ... including connections to Aleister Crowley.

    And the fact that you give these anti-God scuм more credibility than the Holy Spirit, the author of Sacred Scripture ... that exposes your bad will.  You are without a doubt a Modernist.

    On top of that Big Tech have been actively suppressing Flat Earth ... which means that they’re onto something.  While every one in a while there’s a valid explanation for some of the phenomena cited in favor of flat earth, there’s too much there for which there is no explanation.  It is in fact you who refuse to actually study the evidence.  You’ve decided up front that it must be wrong and assume it’s all wrong due to a cognitive dissonance whereby you filter out anything that exposes your sellout of the faith to the enemies of God.
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    Re: Fr Paul Robinson SSPX. v Young Earth Creationists
    « Reply #273 on: September 03, 2021, 06:49:08 AM »
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    • There’s a great app out there called the Flat Earth Sun, Moon, and Zodiac clock.  Besides the fascinating clock, it’s got tons of links to videos that are suppressed by Big Tech.  They used their own search algorithm instead of the ones rigged by Big Tech.  There’s just too much there to ignore.  If anyone’s truly interested in looking at the evidence with an open mind, have a look.  I’m going to start making lists of these over at the Flat Earth sub forum.
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    Re: Fr Paul Robinson SSPX. v Young Earth Creationists
    « Reply #274 on: September 03, 2021, 06:56:52 AM »
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    Nadir said: The point I wish to make is that in the BBC video we have none other that the anti-creation, humanity despising, godless David Attenborough, sprouting nothing but emotive projection of human qualities onto mere animals. Pure emotion. If you turn off the sound and just watch the visual, there is nothing to see.

    Regarding the BBC orca clip () I definitely agree with Nadir regarding David Attenborough; he has a proven track record of these kinds of errors.



    However, I disagree regarding there being "nothing to see" in the footage itself. We don't need commentaries from liberals to understand or appreciate zoology, which is in and of itself a valid discipline. Aristotle, St. Albert the Great, and St. Hildegard of Bingen all wrote on behavior of animals, and most likely would have taken interest in this footage.  

    Dankward's clip is actually a very good example of an inherently predatory animal behaving like a predator, which I think is what he is pondering. The particular behaviors exhibited by the orca in the footage have now been docuмented for years; Attenborough is far from the first to mention this. They do "play" with their prey, not "as if exalting in triumph" as Attenborough says, but to practice their hunting skills. Animal behaviors often spun by docuмentary makers as "sadistic" or "lurid"  (even infanticide in the case of the bottlenose dolphins), exist for a purpose. 



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    Dankward said: Nadir, it certainly is not pure fantasy. Animals can be evil too. Here are some easy to verify examples:


    Technically speaking, in Catholic theology/philosophy,  animals cannot "be evil" or sin, as they are non-rational; only the rational animal with the rational, immortal soul (man) can sin. This is not to say that animals don't have great instinct or (in the case of the orca) impressive learning skills/communication. But they cannot reflect upon the morality of their actions, and don't have an immortal soul. This is not to say that predatory behavior does not remind us in some way of our fallen nature. As it is, many sins involve man denying his rational nature and behaving like non-rational animals (ok for them but not for man), so perhaps when we see predatory behavior it reminds us of this?  



    The question of whether predation existed before the fall of Adam is an interesting one. There certainly are many examples of animals which we consider to be "predators" that do in fact feed partly on plant matter (as mentioned before, bears, a caiman species, etc). However, there are many others which are pretty much predators or parasites by nature and definition, and I think this is what Dankward is looking at. Everything about that orca (the teeth, the digestive tract, the behavior etc.) is designed to make it a predator. Not a "killing machine" that kills for no purpose; basically it was made a predator for its own survival, and must behave this way because of its nature. The same could be said of sharks, many cat species, and parasites. If you feed a cat a vegan diet (believe it or not, a trendy thing for the "greenies" to do nowadays), it falls into ill health. If you remove a parasite (for example a tapeworm or a kidney worm) from its host, or even from the anatomical region of the host it inhabits, it will die. Some parasites (tapeworms) do not even have a digestive tract as they basically rely on the digestive tract of their host. Changing these animals to not be predators or parasites and consume plants (or in theory vice versa) would involve changing some of these animals to the point that their very definition or "kind" would change. 



    It might be interesting to see what various saints say about this. It has been posted before here, but interestingly St. Thomas Aquinas clearly thought that there was predation before man's sin: 
    St. Thomas, Summa Theologica, I, 96, 1 ad 2. https://www.newadvent.org/summa/1096.htm



    "In the opinion of some, those animals which now are fierce and kill others, would, in that state [of innocence], have been tame, not only in regard to man, but also in regard to other animals. But this is quite unreasonable. For the nature of animals was not changed by man's sin, as if those whose nature now it is to devour the flesh of others, would then have lived on herbs, as the lion and falcon. Nor does Bede's gloss on Genesis 1:30 say that trees and herbs were given as food to all animals and birds, but to some. Thus there would have been a natural antipathy between some animals. They would not, however, on this account have been excepted from the mastership of man: as neither at present are they for that reason excepted from the mastership of God, Whose Providence has ordained all this. Of this Providence man would have been the executor, as appears even now in regard to domestic animals, since fowls are given by men as food to the trained falcon."   

    Therefore, there is a need to explain St. Thomas's thinking in the light of the biblical quotes mentioned earlier. 
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    Re: Fr Paul Robinson SSPX. v Young Earth Creationists
    « Reply #275 on: September 03, 2021, 08:05:06 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on September 03, 2021, 06:39:26 AM
    No, Stan, it’s not about having seen one or two things.  It’s about having seen literally hours of faked NASA footage ... from Mars rovers in Greenland to the hours of proof that the moon landings were faked, from objects that astronauts pretended to be grabbing bring invisible or passing right through their hands, to astronauts obviously hanging on wire harnesses, to astronauts pretending to be doing space walks but having air bubbles floating around them making it obvious that it was filmed in the underwater “training” center at Johnson ... scenes of fakery which go on for hours.
    I just demolished one of your alleged disproofs (the Bush tour). You were wrong, and your memory was faulty. Do you acknowledge this? No. As I expected, you list a whole bunch of other things. But no references. No video for me to look at.

    Greenland: I have seen moon landing deniers use video of training (which NASA identified as training, on earth) and claim it was NASA video from space. That's what I would suspect you saw. Also, two landscapes looking similar does not prove they are the same landscape.

    Pretending to grab: Allegedly.

    Harnesses: Allegedly. Do you have a lot of experience with low gravity environments?

    Air bubbles: Some narrator probably said there were air bubbles, and you may think you saw air bubbles. I've seen these, and it's debris. Usually looks like ice crystals from water vapor in the ISS environment, especially when it comes out of an airlock opening.

    Your "literally hours of faked footage" is alleged. Do you grasp that you could be just as wrong in your understanding of other footages as you were about the Bush tour?

    Quote from: Ladislaus on September 03, 2021, 06:39:26 AM
    But you are so brainwashed that you refuse to look any of it but prefer to impugn the Word of God.  
    I wasn't aware the Scriptures talked about NASA. You're changing the topic again.

    I've looked at the stuff you believe about NASA. Whatever I have looked at was misinterpreted by people like Weiss. I'm sorry you believed the nonsense peddled by Weiss et al. You shouldn't have.

    Your approach to the moon landings is unreasonably skeptical. If you took the same skepticism and applied it to the Church, you would undermine the natural motives of credibility for the Catholic faith.

    Quote from: Ladislaus on September 03, 2021, 06:49:08 AM
    There’s a great app out there called the Flat Earth Sun, Moon, and Zodiac clock.  
    An app promoted by the con man David Weiss.
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    Re: Fr Paul Robinson SSPX. v Young Earth Creationists
    « Reply #276 on: September 03, 2021, 09:26:46 AM »
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    • What is it about NASA that cause people to defend it so wholeheartedly? Why are they (NASA) just so cool and awesome, in the eyes of their ardent fans?

    NASA, from what I can tell, doesn't uphold or believe in any true religious belief. They never talk about God, who is the REAL creator of the universe and everything in it.

    So why such a strong defense of NASA? I don't get it.
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    Re: Fr Paul Robinson SSPX. v Young Earth Creationists
    « Reply #277 on: September 03, 2021, 09:37:14 AM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on September 03, 2021, 09:26:46 AM
    NASA, from what I can tell, doesn't uphold or believe in any true religious belief.

    They have a religion, an admixture of Masonry, paganism, Aleister Crowley's Thelema, and Scientology.
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    Re: Fr Paul Robinson SSPX. v Young Earth Creationists
    « Reply #278 on: September 03, 2021, 09:54:21 AM »
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    • Quote from: Stanley N on September 03, 2021, 08:05:06 AM
    I just demolished one of your alleged disproofs (the Bush tour). You were wrong, and your memory was faulty. Do you acknowledge this? No. As I expected, you list a whole bunch of other things. But no references. No video for me to look at.

    You didn't demolish anything.  You posted a link, but a garbage "debunking site".  OK, it wasn't a green screen per se, but the guy was still pretending to be on ISS when he was actually right there on the ground.

    You find one detail that was off and declare victory.  There are hundreds of such videos, with weird things happening to the special effects, objects going through people, objects that the "astronaut" was pretending to handle but were invisible, air bubbles in "space".  95% of NASA videos are just hoaxes.  But you've decided up front that NASA is your God ... even though it was founded by a bunch of occultists.
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    Re: Fr Paul Robinson SSPX. v Young Earth Creationists
    « Reply #279 on: September 03, 2021, 10:34:48 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on September 03, 2021, 09:54:21 AM
    You didn't demolish anything.  You posted a link, but a garbage "debunking site".  OK, it wasn't a green screen per se, but the guy was still pretending to be on ISS when he was actually right there on the ground.

    You find one detail that was off and declare victory.  There are hundreds of such videos, with weird things happening to the special effects, objects going through people, objects that the "astronaut" was pretending to handle but were invisible, air bubbles in "space".
    No, there is nothing to suggest he was "right there on the ground". You still can't admit you were wrong.

    I just explained the other things.

    I've seen videos in which people claim there were "air bubbles" in space. They aren't air bubbles. At the very minimum, you can't prove they were air bubbles.

    But you just keep repeating the same lies your con men tell.
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    Re: Fr Paul Robinson SSPX. v Young Earth Creationists
    « Reply #280 on: September 03, 2021, 11:29:43 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on September 03, 2021, 09:54:21 AM
    You didn't demolish anything.  You posted a link, but a garbage "debunking site".  OK, it wasn't a green screen per se, but the guy was still pretending to be on ISS when he was actually right there on the ground.

    You find one detail that was off and declare victory.  There are hundreds of such videos, with weird things happening to the special effects, objects going through people, objects that the "astronaut" was pretending to handle but were invisible, air bubbles in "space".  95% of NASA videos are just hoaxes.  But you've decided up front that NASA is your God ... even though it was founded by a bunch of occultists.


    Well said, Lad.

    I've saved off several such videos in the past.

    There is only ONE explanation for them: some breed of fakery. Astronauts on the ISS should NOT be getting caught up in invisible wires. Shouldn't happen, according to the mainstream view that we can go to space...
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    « Reply #281 on: September 03, 2021, 11:39:17 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on September 03, 2021, 06:39:26 AM
    No, Stan, it’s not about having seen one or two things.  It’s about having seen literally hours of faked NASA footage ... from Mars rovers in Greenland to the hours of proof that the moon landings were faked, from objects that astronauts pretended to be grabbing bring invisible or passing right through their hands, to astronauts obviously hanging on wire harnesses, to astronauts pretending to be doing space walks but having air bubbles floating around them making it obvious that it was filmed in the underwater “training” center at Johnson ... scenes of fakery which go on for hours.

    But you are so brainwashed that you refuse to look any of it but prefer to impugn the Word of God.  You’re ignorant of the fact that “science” has had a very deliberate and open agenda to attack God for the past 200-300 years at least.  Study a bit of their correspondence with each other.

    Then there’s the massive Masonic symbolism all over NASA, the fact that most of the Apollo astronauts were Masons, and NASA’s original founders were tied to the occult ... including connections to Aleister Crowley.

    And the fact that you give these anti-God scuм more credibility than the Holy Spirit, the author of Sacred Scripture ... that exposes your bad will.

    On top of that Big Tech have been actively suppressing Flat Earth ... which means that they’re onto something.  While every one in a while there’s a valid explanation for some of the phenomena cited in favor of flat earth, there’s too much there for which there is no explanation.  

    Well said!
    NASA is evil, not of God, and completely a work of the devil's henchmen.
    It is not "neutral" as perhaps many Catholics were taught in the 60's and 70's.

    Nor is it just "an unfortunate atheist" -- but a malicious satanist. Big difference.

    But it makes sense -- if one firmly and stubbornly rejects God, one will end up serving the devil openly. THERE ARE ONLY TWO SIDES IN THE GLOBAL, ETERNAL BATTLE.

    The constant lies coming from NASA that Ladislaus mentions above is a hallmark of the satanic. satan is "the father of lies". 

    Lies and murder are two of the main "sacraments" of the satanic "religion".
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    Re: Fr Paul Robinson SSPX. v Young Earth Creationists
    « Reply #282 on: September 03, 2021, 12:09:59 PM »
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    • Quote from: Matthew on September 03, 2021, 11:39:17 AM
    THERE ARE ONLY TWO SIDES IN THE GLOBAL, ETERNAL BATTLE.

    You seem to be pulling Lad's leg. It's TWO SIDES OF A DISH SHAPED ETERNAL BATTLE.

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    « Reply #283 on: September 03, 2021, 12:57:03 PM »
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    • We can't go to space? That's ridiculous.

    You can track tons of satellites and spacecraft from the ground using various imaging techniques such as radar and telescopes. Just scroll over this article a bit: https://satelliteobservation.net/2017/04/20/observing-satellites/

    A "fake" space shuttle docked with the "fake" ISS: https://www.reddit.com/r/space/comments/141hb7/iss_docked_with_the_space_shuttle_seen_from_a/

    Very fake amateur CGI footage:


    Or just skip through a video like this with over 20min of continuous microgravity and explain to me how it's all stage props and greenscreen panels instead of windows:

    I'm not sure if bombarding you with links to material that you'll wholly dismiss as CGI footage is worth anything.
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    « Reply #284 on: September 03, 2021, 01:03:52 PM »
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    • Quote from: hansel on September 03, 2021, 06:56:52 AM
    Regarding the BBC orca clip () I definitely agree with Nadir regarding David Attenborough; he has a proven track record of these kinds of errors.

    However, I disagree regarding there being "nothing to see" in the footage itself. We don't need commentaries from liberals to understand or appreciate zoology, which is in and of itself a valid discipline. Aristotle, St. Albert the Great, and St. Hildegard of Bingen all wrote on behavior of animals, and most likely would have taken interest in this footage.  

    Dankward's clip is actually a very good example of an inherently predatory animal behaving like a predator, which I think is what he is pondering. The particular behaviors exhibited by the orca in the footage have now been docuмented for years; Attenborough is far from the first to mention this. They do "play" with their prey, not "as if exalting in triumph" as Attenborough says, but to practice their hunting skills. Animal behaviors often spun by docuмentary makers as "sadistic" or "lurid"  (even infanticide in the case of the bottlenose dolphins), exist for a purpose.

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    Thank you for this insightful post, glad you got the idea I was trying to convey. I was not at all focusing on David Attenborough and I completely agree on his problematic views and statements.
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