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Re: Fr Paul Robinson SSPX. v Young Earth Creationists
« Reply #255 on: September 02, 2021, 01:16:45 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on September 01, 2021, 03:13:31 PM
    There's probably about 30 minutes of obviously fake footage there ... in addition to the Challenger problem.  And the U.S. moonlanding was obviously faked as well.  Mars rovers they pretended were on Mars were actually in Greenland and Devon Island.  It's non-stop fakery from NASA.
    Yes. Moon landings were probably all fake, humans never went to the moon, but something was observed flying there for every mission by multiple independent sources like small observatories, so they probably sent some unmanned probes there. It'll be interesting to see if the planned moon landings in the next few years (2024 and on I think) will be faked too and the van Allen belts indeed turn out to be insurmountable , or if they'll actually go there. They did send fake images of Mars rovers from Devon Island, yeah, but I'm not sure if a rocket ever sent a rover to Mars or if that's completely fake, too. But the ISS and other satellites are way closer and observable from Earth. If you buy a somewhat decent telescope with tracking equipment, you can photograph the ISS whipping over the horizon. The Space Shuttle program was real too, these things did launch and rendezvous with the ISS to dock, and landed on Earth back again. The bloke from that video sounded like he'd only ever seen sketchy video footage of these on youtube.
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    Re: Fr Paul Robinson SSPX. v Young Earth Creationists
    « Reply #256 on: September 02, 2021, 01:19:27 PM »
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    • Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on September 01, 2021, 04:34:30 PM
    It seems to me that the novelty of “flat Earth” was invented to muddy the waters and to aid in ridicule the geocentric model.
    Flat Earthers please give a cogent explanation for the difference in appearance of the moon in the Southern and Northern Hemispheres?

    http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/about-us/46-our-solar-system/the-moon/observing-the-moon/135-does-the-moon-look-different-in-the-northern-and-southern-hemispheres-beginner

    https://www.gettyimages.dk/detail/photo/the-moon-as-seen-from-the-southern-hemisphere-royalty-free-image/168839237
    These are wise words, I believe just the same! It's a strawman that all people will have in the back of their heads when they hear "conspiracy theory".
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    Re: Fr Paul Robinson SSPX. v Young Earth Creationists
    « Reply #257 on: September 02, 2021, 01:30:34 PM »
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    • Quote from: Nadir on September 01, 2021, 06:47:06 PM
    Who designed the animals? I sincerely hope you believe it was Almighty God who designed them.
    If you do believe that God is the Designer, then it goes against the Faith to say they were designed to kill as efficiently as possible. Have you read the first chapter of Genesis? You certainly need to read it again. Every thing He created “was good”. To say he created a killing machine is plainly false.

    The answer to your question has been dealt with in previous posts of this thread.

    I wasn't saying that God designed or created a "killing machine", I was merely observing that there are a multitude of animals which are built specifically to kill (for food, mostly).

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    Your phrase killing machine is not so much graphic as it is imaginative, emotional. That animals kill for fun is pure fantasy.

    Nadir, it certainly is not pure fantasy. Animals can be evil too. Here are some easy to verify examples:
    1. Article about Surplus killing
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    My experience of nature is from real life, and not from nature docuмentaries. I know a bit about crocs, though my experience is not extensive. But that’s another story.  it matters not whether they are related to dinosaurs. They kill to eat, or maybe in competition with a rival for female favours. But they, and no other animal can be called a killing machine. Use of such language is highly emotive and indicates that one has a warped image of Creation.

    Looking at the examples I gave before, I submit to have a realists image of fallen Creation.
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    Re: Fr Paul Robinson SSPX. v Young Earth Creationists
    « Reply #258 on: September 02, 2021, 01:54:55 PM »
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    • I'm not buying that flat earth was invented to discredit people.  One huge clue is that Big Tech have been massively censoring it.  Regardless of whether it's all true, there's something there that they're actively trying to suppress.
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    Re: Fr Paul Robinson SSPX. v Young Earth Creationists
    « Reply #259 on: September 02, 2021, 02:11:39 PM »
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    • Quote from: Miser Peccator on September 02, 2021, 04:41:18 AM
    ASTRONAUT DON PETIT EXPLAINS WHY WE CAN’T GO BACK TO THE MOON
    1min
    https://www.bitchute.com/video/SrihxLRjdmnX/

    Accidentally erased the moon landing tapes--Ooops
    2min
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCygZNtp-WQ

    They can't send man to mars cause would burn up in Van Allen belt but we sent them to moon:
    6:34min
    https://www.bitchute.com/video/0pVNhkdlg7KO/

    Yeah, these are pretty common and good arguments, but not total proof (does something like that even exist for the moon landings?)

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    Can't agree on ability to see stars in space:
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    https://www.bitchute.com/video/WvnOvjtoCpc5/

    This is dueto camera exposure, the stars are extremely dim, if you'd adjust a camera to the brightness of the stars while in a brightly lit environment like on the moon surface or pointing at Earth (satellites, ISS, ...), you'd get an overly white, blown out image, or you'd still not see the stars (something like this). Did you ever see stars during the day? No, because you can't.
    Doesn't prove the landings were real, but also doesn't disprove them.


    Honestly, there's a lot of good evidence that they did happen, but also a lot of sketchy stuff going on that says otherwise.

    Can you refute all this evidence? I for one can't.
    - https://space.stackexchange.com/questions/28172/how-do-we-know-the-apollo-moon-landings-are-real
    - https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/1128/has-man-walked-on-the-moon
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    Re: Fr Paul Robinson SSPX. v Young Earth Creationists
    « Reply #260 on: September 02, 2021, 02:19:02 PM »
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    Unlike ruminants, bears do not have a cecuм and can only poorly digest the structural components of plants (Mealey 1975).
    And before the Flood, humans could get all nutritional needs from plants.  Why couldn’t this be the case for animals?  
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    Post flood, God changed human longevity so that humans HAVE TO eat meat to be healthy.  No such thing as a healthy vegan, long term.  You have to supplement for vitamins/minerals not found in plants (or poorly digested/absorbed by humans...again, God changed our nature, making it weaker).  Why couldn’t God have changed certain animals’ nature’s post-flood, to make meat necessary? 
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    Re: Fr Paul Robinson SSPX. v Young Earth Creationists
    « Reply #261 on: September 02, 2021, 02:28:42 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on September 02, 2021, 06:52:30 AM
    This whole flat earth thing could be put to be very easily by just taking a an actual video of the rotating earth from space, from some kind of probe or whatever.  Build something just for this purpose.  By NASA's own admission (or, rather, the admission of people who worked for NASA), every single official picture of the globe earth is composite and/or CGI.  They released ridiculous versions where the continents were different sizes, one where North America was absurdly large.  In addition to the "glitches" in footage from ISS, there are pictures of spacewalks where air bubbles can be seen, making it clear that they were actually filming in their underwater training facility at Johnson.  This garbage goes on for hours and hours and hours ... and cannot be reduced to a "few clips taken out of context".  There's a short video where George H.W. Bush was being rolled through NASA in a wheel chair and --oops-- you could actually see the "astronaut" who was allegedly live from space doing his act in front of a green screen.  It's to the point of being absurd.
    Ladislaus, here are uncomposited images from the ISS in orbit, live, 24/7: . There are also uncomposited images of Earth by other satellites, not just early NASA footage that may or may not be fake or composited from a set of partial images.

    Regarding the supposedly fake Space Shuttle missions we talked about earlier, I found a nice little video about a SS SRB trip here: . NASA are either the best CGI and sound artists of the world, or what you were saying is just wrong.
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    Re: Fr Paul Robinson SSPX. v Young Earth Creationists
    « Reply #262 on: September 02, 2021, 03:13:13 PM »
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    • NASA has been caught faking so much footage that you can't believe any video THEY produce.  CGI makes anything possible.  When you have that kind of budget, you can produce CGI.  They were caught with the "Mars rover" in Greenland, with fake footage from "ISS" ... not to mention the faked moon landings.  Musk's "Tesla in space" was such a bad job, on the other hand, that even he remarked that "you know it's gotta be real because it looks so fake.  We've got better CGI than that."  In order to fake curvature, you need nothing more than a fisheye lens.  At about 17 minutes into the second video (I just skipped through different sections) you can even see the fisheye lens at work as the curve reverses ... watch from 17:00 - 17:30.  Nobody's saying that the space shuttle doesn't exist anyway ... just that it doesn't go as high as they claim.

    Meanwhile, there was a super high-altitude weather balloon launched by some private citizens and it showed the horizon to be flat all the way up.  There's even one of a rocket that just stopped dead in its tracks at about 73 miles up ... which is precisely where it's theorized that the firmament is, with the firmament being made of solid oxygen.  Some people claiming to work in Antarctica say that they make expeditions to where the firmament touches down and get samples, and it's made of a type of frozen oxygen that when it melts it goes straight to a gas and doesn't melt into water first (i.e. it sublimates).
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    Re: Fr Paul Robinson SSPX. v Young Earth Creationists
    « Reply #263 on: September 02, 2021, 04:14:46 PM »
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    • You'll also notice from the side camera angle that there's absolutely no curvature; there should be some curvature visible starting at about 7 miles up.
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    Re: Fr Paul Robinson SSPX. v Young Earth Creationists
    « Reply #264 on: September 02, 2021, 04:15:55 PM »
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    • Yes. The whole idea of there being no death and so no predators before the fall, is reinforced (that’s probably not the correct word, but you get my drift) by Isaiah in these verses, which predict and promise return to the pristine state of creation, when “God saw that it was good”,  when there will be no predators, no killers, no death, now that carnivores share their veggies with herbivores, and the serpent bites the dust.

    The wolf shall dwell with the lamb: and the leopard shall lie down with the kid: the calf and the lion, and the sheep shall abide together, and a little child shall lead them."
    [Isaias (Isaiah) 11:6]

    "The wolf and the lamb shall feed together; the lion and the ox shall eat straw; and dust shall be the serpent's food: they shall not hurt nor kill in all my holy mountain, saith the Lord."
    [Isaias (Isaiah) 65:25]

    Gee, I can’t wait. 
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    Re: Fr Paul Robinson SSPX. v Young Earth Creationists
    « Reply #265 on: September 02, 2021, 04:38:30 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on September 02, 2021, 04:14:46 PM


    You'll also notice from the side camera angle that there's absolutely no curvature; there should be some curvature visible starting at about 7 miles up.

    Lad, no offense, but that really looked fake. Also, going that fast (60 miles per minute!) and stopping suddenly, it would have splattered into a million pieces. I don’t believe the moon landings either and I believe NASA faked a bunch of stuff, but that was totally fake.
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    « Reply #266 on: September 02, 2021, 04:58:53 PM »
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    Yes. The whole idea of there being no death and so no predators before the fall, is reinforced (that’s probably not the correct word, but you get my drift) by Isaiah in these verses, which predict and promise return to the pristine state of creation, when “God saw that it was good”,  when there will be no predators, no killers, no death, now that carnivores share their veggies with herbivores, and the serpent bites the dust.

    Yes, this is a great Scripture verse.  Definitely, animals did not kill in the garden of Eden.  It only makes sense.  No corruption, no death.
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    Post Original Sin, there was corruption and death - which would've affected animals, in addition to human nature.
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    The question is...post FLOOD...human nature changed and was shortened by God (also allowing the eating of meat).  So what extent did the animal kingdom change between post-Eden and post-Flood.  I have no idea; but if any saint talks about it, I would love to know.
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    Re: Fr Paul Robinson SSPX. v Young Earth Creationists
    « Reply #267 on: September 02, 2021, 05:00:32 PM »
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    Ladislaus, here are uncomposited images from the ISS in orbit, live, 24/7:

    Curve = Fisheye lens
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    Re: Fr Paul Robinson SSPX. v Young Earth Creationists
    « Reply #268 on: September 02, 2021, 05:38:27 PM »
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    • Quote from: Dankward on September 02, 2021, 01:30:34 PM

    I wasn't saying that God designed or created a "killing machine", I was merely observing that there are a multitude of animals which are built specifically to kill (for food, mostly).

    Nadir, it certainly is not pure fantasy. Animals can be evil too. Here are some easy to verify examples:
    1. Article about Surplus killing
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    Looking at the examples I gave before, I submit to have a realists image of fallen Creation.
    I am puzzled that there appear two videos and when I click Quote there are three title but no links to videos. Never mind.

    The point I wish to make is that in the BBC video we have none other that the anti-creation, humanity despising, godless David Attenborough, sprouting nothing but emotive projection of human qualities onto mere animals. Pure emotion. If you turn off the sound and just watch the visual, there is nothing to see.

    Attenborough described humans as a "plague on the Earth",[112][113] and criticised the act of sending food to famine-stricken countries while overlooking population control.[114]

    In his 2020 docuмentary film David Attenborough: A Life On Our Planet, Attenborough advocates for people to adopt a vegetarian diet or to reduce meat consumption in order to save wildlife, noting that "the planet can’t support billions of meat-eaters."[103]

    In 2002, Attenborough joined an effort by leading clerics and scientists to oppose the inclusion of creationism in the curriculum of UK state-funded independent schools which receive private sponsorship, such as the Emmanuel Schools Foundation.[119] In 2009, he stated that the Book of Genesis, by saying that the world was there for people to dominate, had taught generations that they can "dominate" the environment, and that this has resulted in the devastation of vast areas of the environment. He further explained to the science journal Nature, "That's why Darwinism, and the fact of evolution, is of great importance, because it is that attitude which has led to the devastation of so much, and we are in the situation that we are in."[120]
    Be careful of your sources.

    Have you checked out Kolbe Creation yet, Dankward?
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    Re: Fr Paul Robinson SSPX. v Young Earth Creationists
    « Reply #269 on: September 02, 2021, 06:18:17 PM »
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    • For what it’s worth, I have a friend who has flown in the Concord multiple times and he stated that the curvature of the Earth was clearly visible when they reached cruising altitude. 
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