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Re: Fr Paul Robinson SSPX. v Young Earth Creationists
« Reply #60 on: August 17, 2021, 03:32:53 PM »
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  • Once you allow any error into Sacred Scripture, the floodgates open.  What ELSE in there might be wrong because the Bible didn't really "mean" to teach it?

    That’s the fatal problem implicit with the scientific revisionism of Biblical interpretation.

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    Re: Fr Paul Robinson SSPX. v Young Earth Creationists
    « Reply #61 on: August 17, 2021, 03:41:27 PM »
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  • We're not sure how God did it, 
    What do you mean? He spoke and it was made  :jester:
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]


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    Re: Fr Paul Robinson SSPX. v Young Earth Creationists
    « Reply #62 on: August 17, 2021, 05:59:34 PM »
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  • What do you mean? He spoke and it was made  :jester:

    Well, of course I mean that we don't know what did specifically.  He could of course create light and heat out of nothing, with no source, or else He could have created something else to cause light and heat.

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    Re: Fr Paul Robinson SSPX. v Young Earth Creationists
    « Reply #63 on: August 18, 2021, 07:23:38 AM »
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  • Scientists don’t know &!@$.  It’s all a house of cards.  Theories built on conjectures, attached together by guesses.
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    Science was hijacked by Freemasons going back to the Middle Ages, BEFORE GALILEO.  Heck, if you believe the book of Enoch (and much I do), then science/astronomy came to man directly from the devil’s/fallen angels/nephalim.  Science has been the religion if the devil/evil joos/satanist from the get go.  To the Tower of Babel, Philistines, Canaanite, Greeks, Romans, etc.  .
    You could argue that science is a religion, in many ways.  Modern science (post 1400s) is surely a cult.  Modern Astronomy is simply part of witchcraft.  
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    Everything we *think* we know about the universe, planets, sun, stars, etc...where did this knowledge come from?  High-ranking Freemasons such as Copernicus, Galileo, Descartes, DaVinci, etc, etc.  
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    We all need to take a giant step back from modern science and realize much is a lie, intended to 1) erase God from the creation, 2) inflate man’s ego, and distract him from daily duties by concentrating on “billions of light years” (...how ridiculous) away 3) reduce the importance of earth, which limits the importance of Christ, His Church and our earthy battle for salvation, 4) raise the importance of science over faith/bible/church, 5) create a new industry for $.

    We must be very careful when rebutting modern cosmology not to leave ourselves open to rejection by using the expression SCIENCE. The term science covers far more than astronomy, physics and cosmology for within out own households we enjoy many things due to the progress of science. Here we are debating a subject from all over the world instantly due to the progression of computer science etc. There is an endless list of subjects where science has benefited humankind, from medicine to motor-mowers to cut your grass. So be careful to distinguish that the science we are talking about that was truly hijacked is astronomy and cosmology not science in general. Cosmology of course includes the 'science' of evolution. Indeed, the very first evolutionary theory was the Nebular theory, that their solar-system evolved. After that came the evolution of the Earth and Darwin's theory. In other words evolution is the child of heliocentrism..

    The history of heliocentrism goes back a long way further than Copernicus:
    The word Helios for the sun comes from Helios a sun god, the son of Hyperion and Theia, thus the terms heliocentrism and heliolatry. In the Holy Scriptures (3 Kings 16:31-33) we read of Baal, Bal or Bel, the sun god of the Phoenicians, whose worship was characterised by the most scandalously impure rites. Then there were the sun gods of the Canaanites and Mithraists of Persia. Sun worshipping is also condemned in 4 Kings: 23:5-11 and Wisdom: 13:2 where it teaches ‘the circle of the stars, or the great water, or the sun and moon’ were created as witness to their Creator and not ‘to be the gods that rule the world.’
     
    ‘The people worshiped the sun, moon, and stars as gods, and a knowledge of their true nature would have at once put an end to the influence of the priests, who were believed by the ignorant and superstitious crowd to be able to withhold or dispense, by prayers, invocations, and sacrifices, the divine favor. The priest of a pretended god, when once his god is exposed, stands before the world a convicted impostor. To deny the divinity of the sun, moon, and stars, or, what was the same thing, to permit science to disclose their true nature to the masses of the people was consequently held by the priesthood of Egypt as the highest of crimes. By knowledge of astronomy the priests were able to calculate and to predict eclipses of the sun and moon, events beheld with superstitious awe and fear by the multitude. Seeing how certainly these predictions, when thus made, were fulfilled, the priests were credited with the power to foretell other events, and to look into the future generally. So they cast horoscopes and assumed to be prophets.’ [1]

    [1]Robert Hewitt Brown: Stellar Theology and Masonic Astronomy, p.9.

    Two of the most prominent gods were Re and Anu, the sun gods. Cities such as Heliopolis ‘the City of the Sun,’ to the Greeks, were built in his image. These cities regularly contained temples, most noted of all the magnificent Sun Temples ‘that once formed the sacred heart of ancient Egyptian spirituality.’ The architecture of these temples more often than not communicated a heliocentric system of six planets situated around a central fire that symbolised their sun. Then there were the pyramids, built as a stairway to the gods of the sky, their ‘towers of Babel.’ Finally, the phallic obelisks [bel], built ten times higher than their width, were consecrated to the sun-god, which, according to the historian Pliny the Elder, is the meaning of the word in Egyptian.

    It is written that the Greek philosopher Pythagoras and Plato had visited Egypt to learn first-hand the ‘wisdom’ of the Egyptians. Rome’s long disapproval of Platonic philosophy resulted in the closing down in 529 AD of the Academy Plato founded in Athens in 380 BC. The Egyptians, we know; had a slightly different version of history to that of the global deluge brought about by God’s punishment of mankind as revealed in Genesis 6-9. They taught that local deluges had at times flooded and destroyed peoples and places off the face of the Earth. Ironically, today, in Catholic encyclopedias and in their Biblical notes the global deluge of Noah has been demoted to one of these pagan local floods, just as Biblical geocentrism has been rejected in favour of the pagan version of the universe, i.e., heliocentric. The gods however supposedly saved Egypt and her ancient buildings, temples and sanctuaries from all deluges. Here we see good reason why the Egyptians falsified the ages of their buildings as seen earlier. Contained in these ancient temples and sanctuaries was preserved knowledge of the origin of the world when man had fraternised with their pagan gods.

    Sir Isaac Newton, having researched this subject, believed the ancients showed they understood the universe to be heliocentric. It was this investigation that convinced Newton the order of the universe was as Copernicus illustrated. In his book Burned Alive,  Professor Martinez gives us the story of the early Fathers condemning many of these Pythagorean heresies, heresies that Fr Paul Robinson SSPX is now promoting worldwide in his book and to the seminarians of his priestly society under the name of Christian faith and science.

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    Re: Fr Paul Robinson SSPX. v Young Earth Creationists
    « Reply #64 on: August 18, 2021, 08:11:57 AM »
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  • We need to break ourselves of Cartesianism if we want a proper understanding of Creation. Good video.

    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]


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    Re: Fr Paul Robinson SSPX. v Young Earth Creationists
    « Reply #65 on: August 18, 2021, 10:01:50 AM »
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  • Cassini,

    Thank you for your posts on this topic.  You have great command of the subject matter!

    It's an important issue and not many trads are able to see through the lies.

    Fr. Robinson needs to be confronted and put on the run.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: Fr Paul Robinson SSPX. v Young Earth Creationists
    « Reply #66 on: August 18, 2021, 12:39:24 PM »
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  • Well, of course I mean that we don't know what did specifically.  He could of course create light and heat out of nothing, with no source, or else He could have created something else to cause light and heat.

    Day 1: In the beginning God created heaven, and earth. And the earth was void and empty, and darkness was upon the face of the deep; and the spirit of God moved over the waters. And God said: Be light made. And light was made. And God saw the light that it was good; and he divided the light from the darkness. And he called the light Day and the darkness Night; and there was evening and morning one day.   

    “God said: Let there be light, and light was made.” He speaks here not only of material light, but also of the intellectual or angelic lights…' -- Mary of Agreda: The Mystical City of God.

    ‘All that exists outside God was, in its whole substance, produced out of nothing by God. (De fide.) (Vatican Council I, 1870)
     
    According to the dogma just quoted, God finished His Creation, the Earth and all on it and the sky, all completed, in their whole substance. Most of the Church Fathers held this was done in a literal six-day Creation until Saint Augustine, Fr Paul Robinson tells us in his book, because Genesis says light was created before the sun, proposed that all was created complete immediately but presented in Genesis by way of a six-days to emphasise order in His creation.

    If this is true, one wonders if St Augustine ever saw the night light up with lightning in the clouds above with no sun about? If St augustine came back to Earth today and went to a football match in a stadium at night, all lit up with lights, would he say you need the sun for light?

    Today, we know that light is but a product of electromagnetism that exists in space. So, God, when creating natural ‘light’ on the first day, must have created universal electromagnetism that could generate light before creating the sun? Now the sun and stars were created on the 4th day to bring its light to bring day and night to the Earth. One could describe them as electric bulbs producing their light on the Earth and moon on the 4th day, not light itself.

    Now do you realise what this means for true cosmology? Some of you may know Einstein and the boys have tried to find a connection between 'universal gravity,' (the name they gave to the law that moves cosmic bodies) with electromagnetism. Its called the theory of everything. They failed to do so, and the man who does make the connection will get the Nobel Prize. Well, I will show you such proof in my next post, but I don't think a geocentrist will get that Nobel prize. 

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    Re: Fr Paul Robinson SSPX. v Young Earth Creationists
    « Reply #67 on: August 18, 2021, 12:56:44 PM »
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  • Cassini,

    Thank you for your posts on this topic.  You have great command of the subject matter!

    It's an important issue and not many trads are able to see through the lies.

    Fr. Robinson needs to be confronted and put on the run.

    Looks like Fr. Paul, the chicken-hearted logged in to Cathinfo    :jester:
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi


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    Re: Fr Paul Robinson SSPX. v Young Earth Creationists
    « Reply #68 on: August 18, 2021, 01:42:21 PM »
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  • Is this a quote from the Sungenis movie? I remember being very convinced by all his arguments until it got to this part, where I almost choked on my beer. In one simple computer animation in which Sungenis showed this, I was stunned to see the entire geocentric model fall completely apart like a house of cards, and I had been a lifelong geocentrist up to that point. What he showed was basically an animation of the sun and all the stars moving in a circular or elliptical manner around the earth, which remained fixed in the center, and said that the stars were rotating around the sun, but the sun and the stars were rotating around the earth, and therefore the earth was fixed.

    I meant to reply to Yeti's post above until I saw Dankward's reply that Stellar parallax will be found in the geocentric order. If it couldn't then how come in the real science of cosmology Einstein and Mach and every other cosmic physicist didn't agree with you when they made up their Special and General theory of Relativity? If you really do think you have it right I suggest you write up your paper about its beer-choking impossibility. You will be famous. And while your at it add that in your opinion not even God could create His universe geocentrically.

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    Re: Fr Paul Robinson SSPX. v Young Earth Creationists
    « Reply #69 on: August 18, 2021, 01:45:05 PM »
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  • Many Traditional Catholics have been poisoned, in varying degrees, by these errors.

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    Re: Fr Paul Robinson SSPX. v Young Earth Creationists
    « Reply #70 on: August 18, 2021, 02:12:39 PM »
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  • Many Traditional Catholics have been poisoned, in varying degrees, by these errors.
    Yes, I'm glad you agree, modern geocentrism is a poison among traditionalists.

    We all need to take a giant step back from modern science and realize much is a lie, intended to 1) erase God from the creation, 2) inflate man’s ego, and distract him from daily duties by concentrating on “billions of light years” (...how ridiculous) away 3) reduce the importance of earth, which limits the importance of Christ, His Church and our earthy battle for salvation, 4) raise the importance of science over faith/bible/church, 5) create a new industry for $.
    1) Trying to understand reality does not "erase God from his creation". If it does for you, I hope you recover.
    2) It's the anti-science people who brought up "billions of light years". So it is they who inflate man's ego and distract him from his daily duties by concentrating on their nonsense.
    3) Non sequitur.
    4) I don't see that. But if people insist on rejecting knowledge, preferring lies over the truth even in the natural order, they aren't going to get far in the supernatural order. Grace builds on nature.
    5) Not sure what this says except implying you're anti-capitalist.


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    Re: Fr Paul Robinson SSPX. v Young Earth Creationists
    « Reply #71 on: August 18, 2021, 02:13:35 PM »
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  • British Physicist Julian Barbour: "It is remarkably difficult to say categorically whether the Earth moves, and if so, in what precise sense...

    "What is the conclusion of the Michelson-Morley experiment? The implication is that the Earth is not moving." - Richard Wolfson, Benjamin F. Wissler Professor of Physics at Middlebury College

    "A great deal of research has been carried out concerning the influence of the Earth's movement. The results were always negative." - Henri Poincare

    "Briefly, everything occurs as if the Earth were at rest." - Hendrick Lorentz

    "No physical experiment has ever proved that the Earth actually is in motion." - Lincoln Barnett, Einstein biographer

    "I can construct for you a spherically symmetrical universe with Earth at its center, and you cannot disprove it based on observations. You can only exclude it on philosophical grounds." - George F.R. Ellis, University of Cambridge

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    Re: Fr Paul Robinson SSPX. v Young Earth Creationists
    « Reply #72 on: August 18, 2021, 02:14:37 PM »
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  • Yes, I'm glad you agree, modern geocentrism is a poison among traditionalists.

    Modernist ^^^

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    Re: Fr Paul Robinson SSPX. v Young Earth Creationists
    « Reply #73 on: August 18, 2021, 02:35:48 PM »
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  • Now for my Nobel Prize solution to the much sought after UNIFIED FIELD THEORY looking for a relationship between universal gravity (the law that moves the universe) and electromagnetism.

    Unlike Sungenis, I totally dismiss Newton's theory of gravity. Having studied Newton's life and his years into alchemy and hermetism, there is no doubt he did more of the Devil's work than anyone.

    He said the bigger the mass, the greater the attraction. Didn't Galileo supposedly let two balls of two differtent masses together and find that both hit the ground at exactly the same time. Thus the bigger one did not show us Newton's bigger mass attraction.

    ‘There is in addition its gigantic gravitational pull, a force or tension more than what a million, million steel rods, each seventeen feet in diameter, could stand. What mechanism transmits this gigantic force?’--- Sir Bertram Windle

    Now let us puit the mass of the Earth to the test. Place a steel marble on the ground. Newton says its the mass of the Earth that holds the steel marble on the ground. Now go get a little magnet and place it above the marble. Up it goes showing that if Newton was right then a little magnet is infinitly more attractive than the whole mass of the Earth. If Newton’s theory of gravity is true, and it is determined by the ‘mass’ of the two bodies in question, then the pull of this little magnet’s attraction is thus calculated to be 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 times stronger than Newton’s ‘mass’ gravity of the whole Earth.

    Ok, so much for theory, now for some facts. I notice a few posts refer to 'elliptical' orbits of cosmic bodies. Well there is a history for these ellipses. It began when Kepler, using Tycho de Brahe's calculations worked out a compromise orbit, an ellipse. It was then taken up by Newton who baserd his theories on Kepler's ellipse. But when astronomers looked for planets on their supposed elliptical orbits they went missing now and again. Thus Newton had to invent a 'perturbation theory' to account for the missing planets, that gravity from other planets attracted them off their course.

    In the meantime, Domenico Cassini worked out the true orbits of the sun and planets and found they are Cassinian ovals, a never challenged discovery, just ignored by the Earthmovers.

    Later it was discovered Cassinian ovals are found in positive magnetic effects. Accordingly, orbits of the sun and planets are electromagnetic curves.

    Now on to stellar aberration. Einstein's Relativity falls apart when trying to show both the heliocentric anf geocentric orders can be switched from one to the other according to Einstein's relativity. Geocentric stellar aberration requires that the orbits of the sun and stars move on the same course around the Earth. For this to happen the stars must also move in cassinian ovals. Thus cassinian ovals, which are related to magnetic courses, show the universe is under the infl;uence of electromagnetism. This in turn shows that when God created light it was indeed an electromagnertism throughout the universe. 

    That then is my unified field theory of the relationship between cosmic movements and electromagnetism but I do not expect the Nobel prize for it. You see Cassini was a geocentrist. 

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    Re: Fr Paul Robinson SSPX. v Young Earth Creationists
    « Reply #74 on: August 18, 2021, 02:52:52 PM »
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  • Ladislaus, you're just quote mining like a Protestant. They don't say what you seem to think.

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    British Physicist Julian Barbour: "It is remarkably difficult to say categorically whether the Earth moves, and if so, in what precise sense...
    "Thus, even now, three and a half centuries after Galileo's condemnation by the Inquisition, it is still remarkably difficult to say categorically whether the earth moves, and if so, in what precise sense. The basic standpoint of this book, hinted at in Chapter 1, is that correct insights into the interconnections of things are apt to suggest concepts of the world and reality that go far beyond the objective facts from which they spring and are suggested. Sooner or later they are shown to be gross distortions of the truth even though they may have done sterling service in the meantime and helped to uncover numerous further objective interconnections between observed phenomena.
    Good theories contain high truth content even though they do not tell us the final truth about the world. The measure of their truth content is their ability to make predictions. Ptolemy's theory of the planetary motions had a high truth content because, on the basis of past observations, he was able to predict, with very reasonable accuracy, how the heavens would appear at any time in the future as seen from the surface of the earth. The really dramatic advance that the Copernican revolution brought was that it extended the ability to predict the appearance of the heavens at any date in the future from the surface of the earth to any point in the solar system (in principle, in fact, to the entire universe). Thus, the astronauts knew what the universe would look like from the moon before they got there. This helps to put residual difficulties about the problem of the precise sense in which the earth does or does not move into their proper perspective - while also emphasising that these very same difficulties often give hints of the direction in which new theories will develop, usually with the most profound consequences." 
    The Discovery of Dynamics, Julian B Barbour, Oxford University Press, Kindle Edition, ref. 2 Jul, 2020


    The second quote:
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    "What is the conclusion of the Michelson-Morley experiment? The implication is that the Earth is not moving." - Richard Wolfson, Benjamin F. Wissler Professor of Physics at Middlebury College

    "I want to emphasise this about this experiment. This is not an experiment to measure the speed of light in two mutually perpendicular directions. It's an experiment to determine whether the speed of light differs in two mutually perpendicular directions, and the way we detect that difference is by looking at the interference pattern. One case, we learn nothing from that single case. We rotate the apparatus, and we see if the interference pattern shifts, and the amount of shift tells us something about how different the times were along those two paths.
    ... [skipping a few paragraphs]
    It didn't detect it. What's the conclusion from the Michelson-Morley experiment? Well, the conservative conclusion is there's no fringe shift. But what's the implication of that conclusion? The implication of that conclusion is the earth is not moving relative to the ether. If the earth were moving relative to the ether, the path lengths, the times to travel the two paths in the Michelson-Morley apparatus would have differed either at different times of year or in different orientations. We would have detected that as a shift in the interference pattern, a shift that was easily measurable for speeds much less than the known speed of the earth in its orbit, and we would have seen that shift."
    Einstein's Relativity and the Quantum Revolution, Modern Physics for Non-Scientists, 2nd Edition, Richard Wolfson, The Great Courses, Lecture 6: Earth and the Ether

    "... relative to the ether". Hmm. Kind of a big omission there, Laddy.
    I'm not going to bother with the others. If you cared at all about the truth, you would act differently.
    As usual, it takes much less time to lie than it does to correct that lie.