Author Topic: Fr Paul Robinson SSPX. v Young Earth Creationists (Read 17618 times)

cassini · « **Reply #330 on:** May 25, 2022, 07:27:04 AM »

Starlight and Time

Beginning with Einstein’s whacky Special Theory of Relativity, Genesis time entered the madhouse of modern cosmological theoretical space-time. First they said that the stars were expanding and therefore there must have been an initial cause, the Big Bang. Next the speed of light was found to be finite and variable. Then they said the furthest star was about 13.5 billion light years away so the age of the universe had to be 13.5 billions of years old. Einstein and others took the theory further. In his relativist universe, space and time are interchangeable. The further we look out at stars in space, the further back in time we are observing. Einstein was a Wellsian time-traveller, or, as it was said, “All time is eternally present.” But as T.S. Eliot put it, ‘If all time is eternally present - all time is unredeemable.’

‘And God said: Let there be lights made in the firmament of heaven, to divide the day and the night, and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days and years. To shine in the firmament of heaven, and to give light upon the Earth. And it was so done. And God made the two great lights, the great light to rule the day, and the small light to rule the night, and the stars.’ (Gen. 1:14-16)

If, however, the light from the sun, moon and stars, no matter their distances from Earth, those that we can see every day with the naked eye and through telescopes, were made visible on Earth before Adam was created, as revealed in Genesis above, then no such delayed billions of years of star-time exist or ever existed for mankind. In other words, God created the universe with one time-zone overall, a 24-hour Earth-universe time zone. Moreover,

‘And there will be signs in the sun and moon and stars, and upon the Earth distress of nations bewildered by the roaring of the sea and waves….; for the powers of heaven will be shaken. And then they will see the Son of Man coming upon a cloud with great power and majesty.’ --- (Luke: 21:25)

So, does this prophesy not confirm Genesis star-time, with the shaking stars immediately visible on Earth on the day the Lord wills it? Try harmonising this prophesy with Einstein’s and Fr Paul Robinson's relativity’s space-time. If God were to make signs by way of the stars, as he prophesised, then, according to Einstein’s modern light-year timing, mankind would have to wait years to see them all ‘shake’ as the Bible says they will. Just as God made the stars visible from Earth at creation with no time-lag, so will he make their shaking visible in the end of the world.

Then there is that state without physical time called ‘eternity,’ the ‘duration of what is altogether unchangeable,’ what subsists by its essence with no kind of succession, without beginning or end, and without the possibility of either. Such eternity belonged only to God, but when He created mankind, after our deaths, it becomes the future for all.

cassini · « **Reply #331 on:** May 25, 2022, 07:51:43 AM »

Relative to the above;

The first object of astronomy was measuring time, begun, as Domenico Cassini recorded, by the first people to inhabit the Earth. Every measurement, from the watch on your hand to the calendar on your wall, is but a division of the sun’s movement, a day, a year, a century, a millennium. Of crucial importance in any sane and rational concept of created time is that it has to be universal, that is, all understanding of time must be the same for everyone. When we relate to the past, present and future, we must all have the same understanding of it. Fortunately, for most of us, apart from the space-time relativists that is, who think the cosmos is made up of different times the further out the stars are, this is how it is, and always will be. Dogmas held by the Catholic Church must surely need true time forming an absolute framework within which the material and spiritual events of heaven and Earth run their course in imperturbable divine order. Such at least, is demanded by the Christian intellect and is reflected in the Bible, and in scholastic philosophy theology and metaphysics.

cassini · « **Reply #332 on:** May 28, 2022, 03:39:24 PM »

The Center of the Universe by St Charbel

‘The whole universe moves around the mystery of the cross. Man believes that the universe revolves around him personally, but the cross is the center of the universe; therefore he who wants to be at the center of the universe must be with the Crucified on the cross. He who does not live the mystery of the cross cannot understand the mystery of the universe…. For God, the beginning of creation and the end of the universe happen together, in the present. If you sanctify the present moment of your life through love of God, you will realise the mystery of eternity. Through love, man dwells eternally in God. Sanctify time, sanctify your life through love, sanctify every moment of your life. Do not let the clock distract you, because you cannot stop it, you can only be ready when your hour arrives. If anyone removes God far from his life, his mind, and his heart, time will oppress him and hurl him into death; this does not mean that God does not exist; rather he himself is the one who no longer exists. As the light shows the eyes what exists, so Christ reveals existence to the mind and the heart. Without light, the human eye does not see what exists. Without Christ, man does not see existence. God created matter and put it in order; He created the intellect and put spirit into it and gave life. As reason grasps the order and understands matter through logic and analysis, the mind grasps the love of God and the secret of the uníverse by faith, prayer, and true worship, and gives life. There are flowers that we pick in the spring as a decoration, while others age and fade to provide new seeds in autumn. There are flowers that disperse their petals to the wind, and their perfume can be smelled far away and almost fills the Earth. In every movement God has placed His wisdom; pray, therefore, to understand and to live according to His will, not to change it. The Father’s will is always for you good.
Perfume yourselves with the scent of oak and thyme. Do not wear the colors of this world and do not breath forth its odors. The actions of God’s hand in you are more important than anything this world can clothe you with, which will pass away. Walk at a stead fast pace on the path of sanctity. Let Christ live in you, and then you will live at the heart of the mystery of the universe, in the source of light.’ ---Love is a Radiant light, by Hanna Skandar, Angelico press.

DigitalLogos · « **Reply #333 on:** May 28, 2022, 04:57:05 PM »

Quote from: cassini on May 28, 2022, 03:39:24 PM

The Center of the Universe by St Charbel

‘The whole universe moves around the mystery of the cross. Man believes that the universe revolves around him personally, but the cross is the center of the universe; therefore he who wants to be at the center of the universe must be with the Crucified on the cross. He who does not live the mystery of the cross cannot understand the mystery of the universe…. For God, the beginning of creation and the end of the universe happen together, in the present. If you sanctify the present moment of your life through love of God, you will realise the mystery of eternity. Through love, man dwells eternally in God. Sanctify time, sanctify your life through love, sanctify every moment of your life. Do not let the clock distract you, because you cannot stop it, you can only be ready when your hour arrives. If anyone removes God far from his life, his mind, and his heart, time will oppress him and hurl him into death; this does not mean that God does not exist; rather he himself is the one who no longer exists. As the light shows the eyes what exists, so Christ reveals existence to the mind and the heart. Without light, the human eye does not see what exists. Without Christ, man does not see existence. God created matter and put it in order; He created the intellect and put spirit into it and gave life. As reason grasps the order and understands matter through logic and analysis, the mind grasps the love of God and the secret of the uníverse by faith, prayer, and true worship, and gives life. There are flowers that we pick in the spring as a decoration, while others age and fade to provide new seeds in autumn. There are flowers that disperse their petals to the wind, and their perfume can be smelled far away and almost fills the Earth. In every movement God has placed His wisdom; pray, therefore, to understand and to live according to His will, not to change it. The Father’s will is always for you good.
Perfume yourselves with the scent of oak and thyme. Do not wear the colors of this world and do not breath forth its odors. The actions of God’s hand in you are more important than anything this world can clothe you with, which will pass away. Walk at a stead fast pace on the path of sanctity. Let Christ live in you, and then you will live at the heart of the mystery of the universe, in the source of light.’ ---Love is a Radiant light, by Hanna Skandar, Angelico press.

I love this

cassini · « **Reply #334 on:** May 29, 2022, 08:28:20 AM »

Quote from: DigitalLogos on May 28, 2022, 04:57:05 PM

I love this

The saint that wrote this piece is

Youssef Antoun Makhlouf, who later took the name of Charbel, was born on May 8th, 1828, in Bekaa Kafra, the highest village in Lebanon, situated at an altitude of 1,700 meters (5,575 feet) in the mountains in the north of the country dominating the famous valley of Kadisha, ‘the valley of the saints.’ Considered very intelligent; one of the best students in the Theological Institute of Saints Cyprian and Justina in Kfifan, excelling particularly in theology. Ordained a priest in 1859, he lived as a hermit and was formed by asceticism and prayer. On December 18th, 1898, while celebrating Mass, he suffered a stroke and began an agony that lasted six days, during which he remained in peace. Father Charbel unceasingly repeated the prayer that he had not been able to finish at Mass: ‘Father of truth, behold your son. He also repeated the names Jesus, Mary, and Joseph, and also Peter and Paul, patron saints of the hermitage. Charbel’s soul went to heaven on December 24th, 1898, Christmas Eve.

Now the beautiful passage 'The Center of the Universe' of St Charbel is a post 1820 one and geocentric. Can you imagine such a homily arising from Fr Paul Robinson's naturally evolved 13.5 billion years old universe. Take as another example what Vatican II taught to the flock:

‘The humble and persevering investigator of the secrets of nature is being led, as it were, by the hand of God in spite of himself, for it is God, the conserver of all things, who made them what they are. We cannot but deplore certain attitudes (not unknown among Christians [like all the Church Fathers]) deriving from a short-sighted view of the rightful autonomy of science; they have occasioned conflict and controversy and have misled many into opposing faith and science.’ --- Gaudium et spes, # 36.

The popes, theologians and churchmen of 1616 and 1633 are blamed for ignoring ‘the rightful autonomy of science’ when Saint Thomas had taught the only autonomous science in Catholicism is theology, and in this case the theological consensus of the Fathers when reading Scripture testified to the revelation of Biblical geocentrism. To our knowledge not one churchman of note disagreed with this Vatican II accusation, neither so-called traditionalist nor modernist, nor that this council’s opinion was based on a book described by scholars as no better than a forgery.

St Giles · « **Reply #335 on:** May 29, 2022, 05:59:34 PM »

Quote from: cassini on May 25, 2022, 07:27:04 AM

‘And there will be signs in the sun and moon and stars, and upon the Earth distress of nations bewildered by the roaring of the sea and waves….; for the powers of heaven will be shaken. And then they will see the Son of Man coming upon a cloud with great power and majesty.’ --- (Luke: 21:25)

https://youtu.be/TN7BAE6jJ_k?t=2515

Extreme shifting of the Earth's crust could make the stars appear to shake as explained somewhere in the video above.

cassini · « **Reply #336 on:** May 30, 2022, 05:42:20 AM »

Quote from: St Giles on May 29, 2022, 05:59:34 PM

https://youtu.be/TN7BAE6jJ_k?t=2515

Extreme shifting of the Earth's crust could make the stars appear to shake as explained somewhere in the video above.

Watched until he said 'the Earth's rotation changed.' Sounded like what Fr Robinson would say. Why not take God's word literally, that man will see signs in the stars as they shake while the seas create the perfect storm. Didn't wait to hear his version of seeing the Son of Man coming upon a cloud. One could say the 'cloud' will be the name of the latest car of the time.

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