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Re: For Flat Earthers
« Reply #105 on: September 11, 2017, 11:17:40 PM »
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    So explain your favorite object of worship, the flat-earth.
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    How does someone in Australia see a full moon in this diagram?
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    If you want to see the full moon in Australia when the full moon is out, just look up in the sky towards the full moon; it is very simple Neil.
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    Re: For Flat Earthers
    « Reply #106 on: September 12, 2017, 04:10:27 PM »
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  • Your personal interpretation of it IS NOT!
    What is your interpretation of "the firmament"?
    And God made a firmament, and divided the waters that were under the firmament, from those that were above the firmament, and it was so.
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    Re: For Flat Earthers
    « Reply #107 on: September 12, 2017, 11:04:30 PM »
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  • If you want to see the full moon in Australia when the full moon is out, just look up in the sky towards the full moon; it is very simple Neil.
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    So standing in Australia and looking up to see the moon in this diagram (which you adore with all your heart, mind and soul) you can see the full moon?
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    In the diagram, the sun shines across the north pole region on the moon.
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    Someone in Australia looking up at the moon from a "flat" earth would see, what, the bottom of the moon lit by the sun? When the sun is shining from across the arctic?
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    How does the sun shine on the bottom of the moon when it's across the arctic from Australia?
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    Re: For Flat Earthers
    « Reply #108 on: September 12, 2017, 11:07:21 PM »
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  • What is your interpretation of "the firmament"?
    And God made a firmament, and divided the waters that were under the firmament, from those that were above the firmament, and it was so.
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    From the Douay-Rheims Bible, Challoner edition, Genesis 1:6 :
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    [6] "A firmament": By this name is here understood the whole space between the earth, and the highest stars. The lower part of which divideth the waters that are upon the earth, from those that are above in the clouds.
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    Do you disagree with Bishop Challoner? The Church doesn't.
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    Re: For Flat Earthers
    « Reply #109 on: September 13, 2017, 12:21:39 AM »
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    From the Douay-Rheims Bible, Challoner edition, Genesis 1:6 :
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    Do you disagree with Bishop Challoner? The Church doesn't.
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    The horizon always appears perfectly flat 360 degrees around the observer regardless of altitude. All amateur balloon, rocket, plane and drone footage show a completely flat horizon over 20+ miles high. Only NASA and other government “space agencies” show curvature in their fake CGI photos/videos.

    The horizon always rises to the eye level of the observer as altitude is gained, so you never have to look down to see it. If Earth were in fact a globe, no matter how large, as you ascended the horizon would stay fixed and the observer / camera would have to tilt looking down further and further to see it.

    The natural physics of water is to find and maintain its level. If Earth were a giant sphere tilted, wobbling and hurdling through infinite space then truly flat, consistently level surfaces would not exist here. But since Earth is in fact an extended flat plane, this fundamental physical property of fluids finding and remaining level is consistent with experience and common sense.
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    Re: For Flat Earthers
    « Reply #110 on: September 13, 2017, 12:51:35 PM »
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  • The horizon always appears perfectly flat 360 degrees around the observer regardless of altitude. All amateur balloon, rocket, plane and drone footage show a completely flat horizon over 20+ miles high. Only NASA and other government “space agencies” show curvature in their fake CGI photos/videos.
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    No, the horizon does not always appear perfectly flat all around the observer regardless of altitude.
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    The horizon always rises to the eye level of the observer as altitude is gained, so you never have to look down to see it. If Earth were in fact a globe, no matter how large, as you ascended the horizon would stay fixed and the observer / camera would have to tilt looking down further and further to see it.
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    No, the horizon does not rise to the level of the observer as altitude is gained.
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    The natural physics of water is to find and maintain its level. If Earth were a giant sphere tilted, wobbling and hurdling through infinite space then truly flat, consistently level surfaces would not exist here. But since Earth is in fact an extended flat plane, this fundamental physical property of fluids finding and remaining level is consistent with experience and common sense.
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    No, the natural physics of water is rather to conform to the contours of its container.
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    Re: For Flat Earthers
    « Reply #111 on: September 13, 2017, 12:56:07 PM »
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  • From the Douay-Rheims Bible, Challoner edition, Genesis 1:6 :
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    [6] "A firmament": By this name is here understood the whole space between the earth, and the highest stars. The lower part of which divideth the waters that are upon the earth, from those that are above in the clouds.
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    Do you disagree with Bishop Challoner? 
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    The Church doesn't.
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    Do you disagree with the teachings of the Church, then?
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    Re: For Flat Earthers
    « Reply #112 on: September 13, 2017, 01:18:24 PM »
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  • From the Douay-Rheims Bible, Challoner edition, Genesis 1:6 :
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    [6] "A firmament": By this name is here understood the whole space between the earth, and the highest stars. The lower part of which divideth the waters that are upon the earth, from those that are above in the clouds.
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    Do you disagree with Bishop Challoner?
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    The Church doesn't.
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    Do you disagree with the teachings of the Church, then?
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    You are describing the Firmament Dome above the Flat Earth; thank you for once again supporting the Flat Earth.
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    Re: For Flat Earthers
    « Reply #113 on: September 13, 2017, 01:34:05 PM »
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  • You are describing the Firmament Dome above the Flat Earth; thank you for once again supporting the Flat Earth.
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    Thank you for proving how dense flat-earthers are with your inane silliness.  :fryingpan:
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    Re: For Flat Earthers
    « Reply #114 on: September 13, 2017, 01:43:43 PM »
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  • I've been studying for my test so that I can qualify for a amateur radio operators licence. There are millions of amateur radio operators around the world and none of these operators have had any security clearance and/or training by NASA. There are are things that just ARE! Period! 


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    Knowing that our radio waves travel in straight lines, then to figure out their maximum range for a two way radio we have to factor in the curvature of the Earth. When you stand on Earth and press the talk button on your radio, the radio waves are going straight and they will eventually just go straight off into space once they pass the horizon. So the distance of the horizon is technically the maximum communication range for a two way radio. But you have to factor in antenna height as well.
    To find the line of site distance to the horizon for a given antenna height we can use this formula: horizon in kilometers = 3.569 times the square root of the antenna height in meters. Figure 1 illustrates this formula.
    So if the antenna height of a radio is at 6 feet, or 1.82880 meters tall, the horizon is 4.83 kilometers, or 2.99 miles away, which is Point B in the illustration. Of course this calculation assumes the receiving antenna is laying directly on the ground so raising the height of it would extend line of site.
    Point C in the illustration shows another radio with the antenna at 6 foot so theoretically you should be able to communicate almost 6 miles. So realistically, for two people carrying a handheld two-way radio, the maximum communication distance on flat ground with no obstructions is around 4 to 6 miles.
    So you may be wondering why you see radios that have range claims of 25 miles or higher. Technically they could communicate that far. Point D on Figure 1 shows a tower sitting on top of a mountain. If you are standing on top of this tower, now your antenna height overcomes a whole lot of the Earth's curvature and you can communicate much further.
    I've been playing with my MURS radios now for nearly a year in the very flat lands of S.E. Utah, these are the plateaus above the tributary canyons feeding the Grand Canyon. I can say that the mathmatical equations presented in the study manuals are correct beyond all reason of doubt. 

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    Re: For Flat Earthers
    « Reply #115 on: September 14, 2017, 01:20:49 AM »
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  • I've been studying for my test so that I can qualify for a amateur radio operators licence. There are millions of amateur radio operators around the world and none of these operators have had any security clearance and/or training by NASA. There are are things that just ARE! Period!

    I've been playing with my MURS radios now for nearly a year in the very flat lands of S.E. Utah, these are the plateaus above the tributary canyons feeding the Grand Canyon. I can say that the mathmatical equations presented in the study manuals are correct beyond all reason of doubt.
    Something shut them up?
    "Lord, have mercy".


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    Re: For Flat Earthers
    « Reply #116 on: September 14, 2017, 12:28:32 PM »
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  • From the Douay-Rheims Bible, Challoner edition, Genesis 1:6 :
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    [6] "A firmament": By this name is here understood the whole space between the earth, and the highest stars. The lower part of which divideth the waters that are upon the earth, from those that are above in the clouds.
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    Do you disagree with Bishop Challoner?
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    The Church doesn't.
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    Do you disagree with the teachings of the Church, then?
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    Origen called the firmament “without doubt firm and solid” (First Homily on Genesis, FC 71). Ambrose, commenting on Genesis 1:6, said, “the specific solidity of this exterior firmament is meant” (Hexameron, FC 42.60). And Saint Augustine said the word firmament was used “to indicate not that it is motionless but that it is solid and that it constitutes an impassible boundary between the waters above and the waters below” (The Literal Meaning of Genesis, ACW 41.1.61).  
    Do you disagree with Origen, St. Ambrose and St. Augustine?

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    Re: For Flat Earthers
    « Reply #117 on: September 14, 2017, 12:29:45 PM »
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  • I've been studying for my test so that I can qualify for a amateur radio operators licence. There are millions of amateur radio operators around the world and none of these operators have had any security clearance and/or training by NASA. There are are things that just ARE! Period!

    I've been playing with my MURS radios now for nearly a year in the very flat lands of S.E. Utah, these are the plateaus above the tributary canyons feeding the Grand Canyon. I can say that the mathmatical equations presented in the study manuals are correct beyond all reason of doubt.
    I'm sorry.
    "Lord, have mercy".

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    Re: For Flat Earthers
    « Reply #118 on: September 14, 2017, 12:30:15 PM »
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  • And a firmament setting over it like a vaulted dome as Isaiah explains:  Isaiah (xlix, 22): He who established heaven as a vault., which is fastened to earth, Job: He has inclined heaven to earth, and it has been poured out as the dust of the earth. I have welded it as a square block of stone.


    Moses, likewise, in describing the table in the Tabernacle, which is an image of the earth, ordered its length to be of two cubits, and its breadth of one cubit. So then in the same way as Isaiah spoke, so do we also speak of the figure of the first heaven made on the first day, made along with the earth, and comprising along with the earth the universe, and say that its figure is vault like.  Cosmas Indiocopleustes, Christian Topography

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    Re: For Flat Earthers
    « Reply #119 on: September 14, 2017, 12:34:27 PM »
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  • The anti-Catholic rhetoric in these threads manages never to provide Catholic references for its pagan notions.  Naturally.  For such a model, no empirical proof exists and no traditional Catholic sources can be found.  

     

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