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Offline Freind

Re: Flat Earth is a Psyop
« Reply #100 on: December 13, 2025, 02:42:04 AM »
Quote from: Matthew on December 12, 2025, 07:53:08 PM
Those are MY questions. None of the Church Fathers or Doctors who spoke about this topic EVER envisaged a 67-year interregnum. Pius XII died in 1958.

But I'll give you the spoiler: THERE ISN'T ONE. That's why God has to intervene, see? It's NOT to be found in any ancient scrolls, dogmas, doctrines, or docuмents. It SIMPLY ISN'T THERE. We don't have the information or tools we need to solve this Crisis.

None of them envisaged the Western Schism either, but it happened. When the Church was suffering it, they didn't know how it was going to be solved either. But they had powerful tools, they had reason, the Faith, prayer and penance. Christ IS the Head of the Church. We have to keep doing out part as best we can, and reason and truth is part of it we should never give up, without being upset that you can't see the future.

I know that some people say there's been no pope since 1958. But that claim is not perfectly reasonable because there are other possible scenarios. The evil people at the Vatican could be harboring a true pope by incarceration that we don't know about. Also, men like JP2 could have been a true pope when he first was elected and he made the final personal choice to choose heresy and cease being pope. Those two scenarios change the length of a vacant See. There is also JP1 who could have been a true pope and material heretic and based on the promise of Infallibility God saw to it that he die in 30 days rather than accidentally promoting V2 officially. That would also change the length of the vacancy. 

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Offline Angelus

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Re: Flat Earth is a Psyop
« Reply #101 on: December 13, 2025, 08:59:30 AM »
Quote from: Matthew on December 12, 2025, 07:53:08 PM
Those are MY questions. None of the Church Fathers or Doctors who spoke about this topic EVER envisaged a 67-year interregnum. Pius XII died in 1958.

But I'll give you the spoiler: THERE ISN'T ONE. That's why God has to intervene, see? It's NOT to be found in any ancient scrolls, dogmas, doctrines, or docuмents. It SIMPLY ISN'T THERE. We don't have the information or tools we need to solve this Crisis.

Matthew, you are incorrect in your the bolded comment above. Here is one example from Gemini.


Which of the church fathers or doctors explain the 70 years of Jeremiah as a trial of the Church in the end times?

The Church Father and Doctor most renowned for specifically interpreting the Seventy Years of Babylonian Exile prophesied by Jeremiah as a profound trial, testing, and purifying period for the Church (or the People of God) is St. Augustine of Hippo.
He extensively dealt with this prophetic period in his writings, using it as a major historical example to develop his theology of the Church.

St. Augustine of Hippo (354–430 AD)

Augustine did not see the 70 years merely as a historical punishment for the nation of Judah, but as a typological and spiritual trial that prefigures the sufferings and testing of the Church throughout history.

1. The Seventy Years as a Figure of the Church's Earthly Pilgrimage

Augustine uses the exile as a key example when distinguishing between the City of God (Civitas Dei) and the Earthly City (Civitas Terrena).


The Church as a Pilgrim: The Church, the earthly manifestation of the City of God, is always in a state of exile and pilgrimage in the world, living among enemies (the City of Man/Earthly City). The Babylonian Exile perfectly illustrates this state of displacement, suffering, and longing for the true homeland (Heaven/the New Jerusalem).

  • A Time of Testing: The 70 years represent the fixed, determined period of testing and tribulation that the People of God must endure before their ultimate deliverance and restoration. This is a period where faith is purged of worldly attachments.

2. The City of God Citation

In his magnum opus, De Civitate Dei (The City of God), Augustine cites Jeremiah's prophecy to make the point that the Church must expect a long period of suffering on earth:

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"For [Jeremiah] foretold not only that the Jews would return from Babylon after seventy years, but also that, though the earthly Jerusalem was to be rebuilt, the most glorious liberty would remain for the future."
--- The City of God, Book XVIII, Chapter 35

Augustine here emphasizes that the literal restoration (the rebuilding of Jerusalem) was incomplete. The truerestoration is the liberation of the Church through Christ and the establishment of the heavenly City, making the 70 years a figure pointing to Christ's definitive victory over all worldly captivity.

3. Interpretation in Eschatology

Augustine also drew on the 70 years when interpreting the 70 Weeks of Years prophecy in Daniel, which is directly related to the 70 years of Jeremiah. He established the standard interpretation that these prophecies concern the entire period from the Exile up to the end of time and the establishment of Christ's Kingdom (the Church), viewing the whole time as a period of persecution and trial.

Other Doctors

While other Church Fathers like St. Jerome extensively commented on Jeremiah and the historical aspect of the 70 years, St. Augustine is the one who most famously and systematically used the prophecy as a powerful allegorical and typological figure for the long and purifying trial of the Church on earth.


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Offline gladius_veritatis

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« Reply #102 on: December 14, 2025, 09:18:31 AM »
Thank you for the excellent, pertinent information, Angelus. FWIW, there was no worship in the Temple during the 70 years, i.e., God took it away and did not want to receive it from His children for the duration of the period of penance and purification.

1959 to 2029...70 years.  We shall see.  Godspeed to all non-AI of goodwill who read these words.
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Offline Freind

Re: Flat Earth is a Psyop
« Reply #103 on: December 14, 2025, 10:16:40 AM »
Quote from: gladius_veritatis on December 14, 2025, 09:18:31 AM
Thank you for the excellent, pertinent information, Angelus. FWIW, there was no worship in the Temple during the 70 years, i.e., God took it away and did not want to receive it from His children for the duration of the period of penance and purification.

1959 to 2029...70 years.  We shall see.  Godspeed to all non-AI of goodwill who read these words.

Acts 3:1

Petrus autem et Iohannes ascendebant in templum ad horam orationis nonam

Now Peter and John went up into the temple at the ninth hour of prayer.
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Offline gladius_veritatis

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Re: Flat Earth is a Psyop
« Reply #104 on: December 14, 2025, 10:24:06 AM »
Quote from: Freind on December 14, 2025, 10:16:40 AM
Acts 3:1

Uh, you clearly misunderstood things completely.  We were/are discussing the 70 years of the Babylonian Captivity.  Unless I am gravely mistaken, neither Peter nor John were alive during the period under consideration.
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