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Offline Marcellinus

Re: Flat Earth is a Psyop
« Reply #95 on: December 12, 2025, 07:46:10 PM »
Quote from: Freind on December 12, 2025, 05:22:52 PM
The Catholic Church has allowed Her school everywhere to teach heliocentrism for centuries. If it were a heresy, that would be impossible for the Church to allow.

If you want to get an R&R priest here to debate this with me one-on-one without interference, please do. You won't. They always "don't have time" for it. But certainly they do if they can stretch out a conversation for months and reply seldomly.
You are wasting your time.  To the people you are arguing with, Pope Pius VII is a heretic for this:  
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Sanctissimus Dominus Noster Pius Papa VII, audita relatione Eminentissimorum Cardinalium Inquisitorum Generalium, decrevit et declaravit permitti posse imprimi et publicari libros, qui motum terrae et immobilitatem solis, iuxta communem recentiorum astronomorum sententiam, tanquam facta exponunt.

And Pope Pius XII is a heretic for this:


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Quamobrem Ecclesiae Magisterium non prohibet, quin, iuxta praesentem humanarum disciplinarum ac sacrae theologiae statum, inquisitiones et disputationes, a peritis utriusque ordinis, de doctrina evolutionismi, quatenus inquirat de corporis humani origine ex praeexistenti ac viva materia, fiant; ita tamen ut rationes utriusque opinionis, videlicet faventium et adversantium, serio, moderate ac temperate perpendantur, atque omnes parati sint Ecclesiae iudicio obsequi, cui Christus munus demandavit authentice interpretandi Scripturam et fidei dogmata tuendi.


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Offline Matthew

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Re: Flat Earth is a Psyop
« Reply #96 on: December 12, 2025, 07:48:49 PM »
Quote from: Freind on December 12, 2025, 07:40:00 PM
Nothing mysterious about it.  The Church says a pope who is an explicit heretic ceases to be pope, ipso facto. Do you reject that?

If that's what you say about the Crisis, then I know for a fact you are new to Tradition, and/or have a superficial grasp and understanding of it.

As for your armchair theology, I will decline. Greater minds than mine have tried to figure out the crisis AND FAILED. It's not gonna happen without God's help at this point. Count me out.

I'd rather go clip brush along my property fence line. At least then we end up with some cozy paths we can walk hidden behind brush and trees. It's good exercise.

Arguing about the Pope, on the other hand, is a complete waste of time. It changes nothing, creates needless division within Tradition, and there is no "answer key" or way to figure out if you're even objectively correct.
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Offline Matthew

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Re: Flat Earth is a Psyop
« Reply #97 on: December 12, 2025, 07:53:08 PM »
Quote from: SkidRowCatholic on December 12, 2025, 07:46:19 PM
No - it is NOT obvious.

In fact, to say the "mouths of heretics" have taken over the Church would be to make a mockery of the promise. A promise that just maybe we don't fully understand.

How long can the Church last w/o a pope Matthew? Show us the definition please.

How low can we go (in terms of clergy)? Is it written there must always be "X" number of bishops/priests/dioceses?

Those are MY questions. None of the Church Fathers or Doctors who spoke about this topic EVER envisaged a 67-year interregnum. Pius XII died in 1958.

But I'll give you the spoiler: THERE ISN'T ONE. That's why God has to intervene, see? It's NOT to be found in any ancient scrolls, dogmas, doctrines, or docuŠ¼ents. It SIMPLY ISN'T THERE. We don't have the information or tools we need to solve this Crisis.
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Offline gladius_veritatis

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Re: Flat Earth is a Psyop
« Reply #98 on: December 12, 2025, 09:14:04 PM »
For my very limited money, the real issue isn't whether or not a particular man wearing a white cassock is legit.  The real issue is that the society of which the man in white is unquestionably the head is a complete fraud, a counterfeit of Holy Mother Church, devouring its own members and endeavoring to eradicate supernatural faith from this world.  We don't just keep our distance from one man, but from the entire, clearly-problematic society/institution/etc.  The fact that we refer to it as the Conciliar Church indicates it is an illegitimate invader -- something not limited to just the one man or his predecessors.  While the lack of any sort of juridical acknowledgement of this reality is a presently-insurmountable obstacle, we all know that thing headquartered in Rome is not Holy Mother Church and is to be avoided at all costs.

Just as Jesus Christ truly died, why do we think it is impossible that His Mystical Body could die a mystical death, if you will?  If you argue that such a thing simply cannot ever happen, how is what has clearly already occurred substantially different? 
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Offline Freind

Re: Flat Earth is a Psyop
« Reply #99 on: December 13, 2025, 02:29:59 AM »
Quote from: Matthew on December 12, 2025, 07:48:49 PM
If that's what you say about the Crisis, then I know for a fact you are new to Tradition, and/or have a superficial grasp and understanding of it.

As for your armchair theology, I will decline. Greater minds than mine have tried to figure out the crisis AND FAILED. It's not gonna happen without God's help at this point. Count me out.

I'd rather go clip brush along my property fence line. At least then we end up with some cozy paths we can walk hidden behind brush and trees. It's good exercise.

Arguing about the Pope, on the other hand, is a complete waste of time. It changes nothing, creates needless division within Tradition, and there is no "answer key" or way to figure out if you're even objectively correct.

Nothing armchair about reading St. Francis de Sales, a Doctor of the Church, and subsequent approved Catholic works since 1870, saying a pope that is an explicit heretic automatically ceases to be pope. It's truth. Truth is important in and of itself. It's the path to be on even if you can't see around the next turn in the path.
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