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Re: Flat Earth is a Psyop
« Reply #80 on: December 12, 2025, 05:05:28 PM »
Again, Moral certainty isn't dogma.

Moral certainty doesn't cut it. Take note of the dogma of the Assumption, where the encyclical says:

45. Hence if anyone, which God forbid, should dare willfully to deny or 
to call into doubt that which we have defined, let him know that he has 
fallen away completely from the divine and Catholic Faith.

Person 1: "They found the remains of Christ's mother in Jerusalem."
Person 2: "It cannot be, because the dogma of the Assumption means Our Lady's body is with her in heaven"
Person 1: "Are your raising to a dogma that the body they found is not Christ's mother?"
Person 2: "It's not a dogma, but it calls into question a dogma, so it is as CERTAIN and serious as a dogma to deny it is Christ's mother"

This is the case with sedevacantists:
R&R: "A pope approved of heresy at Vatican II for the whole Church"
Sede: "A pope cannot approve of heresy to the whole Church"
R&R: "Are you raising to a dogma that these men are not popes"
Sede: "It's not a dogma, but it calls into question a dogma, so it is as CERTAIN and serious as a dogma to deny these men were/are true popes"

Re: Flat Earth is a Psyop
« Reply #81 on: December 12, 2025, 05:18:58 PM »
But at the BARE MINIMUM how should one view and act towards the putative Popes is an issue that can be resolved by obeying one's moral convictions - that is the base. It comes first.

Why does anyone convert to Catholicism?

Is it because the Catholic Faith is CERTAIN (as well as Revealed by God of course)? Yes.

But FIRST they had to have the moral certainty to ACT upon their convictions that it was certain.

I'm talking about the objective, not subjective.


Re: Flat Earth is a Psyop
« Reply #82 on: December 12, 2025, 05:22:52 PM »
The globe-earth model, as understood today, does not have a firmament.  This is anti-scripture and heresy.  I say "quasi-heresy" because only those who delve into this issue (which is complex) can be guilty of denying scripture.  Those who "don't care about the shape of the earth" aren't guilty. 

Since you seem to care, then you'd have to believe in a globe-earth with a firmament (which model does not exist) and thus, you have no "working model" of the solar system, the same as FE.

The point is,
heliocentrism = 100% heresy.
geocentrism = no working model.
FE = no working model.

There is no catholic working model.  But people are debating the issues and working towards it.  That's why it matters.

The Catholic Church has allowed Her school everywhere to teach heliocentrism for centuries. If it were a heresy, that would be impossible for the Church to allow.

If you want to get an R&R priest here to debate this with me one-on-one without interference, please do. You won't. They always "don't have time" for it. But certainly they do if they can stretch out a conversation for months and reply seldomly.

Re: Flat Earth is a Psyop
« Reply #83 on: December 12, 2025, 05:35:21 PM »
But all my points above are addressed to "subjects" as the moral certainty each individual needs to act pertains to the each subject's convictions.

I think going straight to the objective and CERTAIN is what "kills" it for many R&R, i.e., "Who the hell do you think you are telling me what I have to believe and do." etc.

But truth is OBJECTIVE. Reason is objective. Logic is Objective. That's what Catholic books write about....objective truth.

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Re: Flat Earth is a Psyop
« Reply #84 on: December 12, 2025, 05:47:30 PM »
I'm talking about the objective, not subjective.
Moral certainty is inherently subjective.  We're waiting for the Church to decide.  When She does, then it's objective.  Before that, it's subjective.