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Offline Matthew

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Re: Flat Earth is a Psyop
« Reply #70 on: December 12, 2025, 03:11:42 PM »

contra, if today I acknowledge that Bobby Prevost is a non-Catholic and therefore cannot possibly be the Vicar of Christ's Church on earth - this actually implies a whole different way of viewing/thinking of the papacy (a healthy Catholic way I would argue) AND it implies action, by positively having no communion with a false Pope whatsoever and cutting all ties to the false church spawned at Vatican II. But that is where the fear kicks in and it gets "real" because they think if they view the Vatican like that for 30+years they will never be able to return if somehow things could be righted there (don't ask me how). But this isn't prudence as much as fear. And it also shows a lack of trust in God and a weak faith, IMO. Religious truth matters for it's own sake, and the papacy question goes well beyond mere Church politics - it is in the realm of do, or die in the fight for our souls (again IMO).

Again, you can have whatever opinion you want. Opinions are like a-----s (armpits), everyone has one and it stinks.

But you have a distorted, inaccurate view of how non-sede Traditional Catholics live, act, and believe on a daily basis. You either don't know any non-Sede Trad families IRL, or you only know OF a few, superficially (as names at work, names on the Internet, etc.)

But your opinion has been proven invalid. There have been sedes, large groups of them, even WHOLE CHAPELS of them since the 80's, and what is the current status of the Crisis? Still ongoing? Yeah, I thought so. 

Yup, Sedevacantism and $5 will get you a cup of coffee. Sedevacantism and $10 will get you a value meal at McDonald's.

Offline Matthew

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Re: Flat Earth is a Psyop
« Reply #71 on: December 12, 2025, 03:24:45 PM »
This thread is retarded "from the jump", or right off the bat.

Google comes down hard on this "psyop" both the search engine and Youtube (owned by Google).

If the government or whatever "They" decided that a Flat Earth psyop would be a good idea, then Google would NOT be gatekeeping the issue as they are. Google is ABSOLUTELY in lock step with the worst elements of the Media, government, and control apparatus at the very top.
Anyone who thinks the Google is neutral, or even a good guy, is a f****** idiot. I'm sorry, there's just no better way to say it.

Sorry not sorry, but I'm not convinced that the wicked, satanic Google is philanthropic, saintly even, as they fight for the TRUTH about the Moon Landings (they defend them) and the shape of the earth (they push the Globe).
They put a warning label on all Moon Landing conspiracy videos, as well as any flat earth videos.

I just don't see Google putting themselves out to defending ANYTHING that is A) good or B) true. Everything they defend with their "overlays" and/or "censorship" is invariably something FALSE and/or BAD.


Offline Matthew

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Re: Flat Earth is a Psyop
« Reply #72 on: December 12, 2025, 03:31:24 PM »
Again, Moral certainty isn't dogma.

Let me ask this, if you will be so kind as to answer, "Are you morally certain either way if the current man claiming to be Pope is actually the Pope?

You learn well. Those are my words. "Moral certainty is not dogma".

I have enough moral certainty to act as I need to, yes. But again, all I need to do is go to Mass, believe and practice the Catholic Faith as it was always believed and practiced, and avoid the contagion of Vatican II and the Conciliar Church.
I'm doing all those things, without "sedevacantism". So apparently it isn't necessary. C'est la vie.

Moral certainty just means "enough clarity for ME to act on, to make a decision on." And I'm morally certain there is a Crisis in the Church, and that the post-V2 Popes can't be obeyed as they overstep their authority and attempt to start a literal new religion. Vatican II has proven to be destructive of the Faith, and of souls.

Now you want to get all philosophical and ask, "WHY would God allow this?", "HOW could the Pope promote a liturgy that is noxious to souls?" I'm going to have to respond "I don't know" because I have no friggin idea.
Ask God if you must demand an answer. It wasn't my idea, nor is it "my problem". My only "problem" or job is to save my soul, and those of my family, during this Crisis. Everything else is an extra, or even a distraction.

The difference between the status of the Pope and the shape of the earth, is that the latter CAN BE determined. Which is quite refreshing, I might add! Because I'm quite sick of the Pope issue, which has no definitive answer. Still waiting for God's big "reveal" on that one, to sort everything out. In the meantime, we wait, watch and pray (and keep the Faith).

Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Flat Earth is a Psyop
« Reply #73 on: December 12, 2025, 03:39:02 PM »
First point, your list is mixing too many things together. Putting things in one category that seems they should be in another, or can cover both or all three! While this makes your list look "weighty" at first glance, upon inspection it is repeating itself.

Second I said, "I fail to grasp". I am not some that needs to be convinced of ANYTHING on your list - I already believe all the important points that relate to my salvation.

Cat 1 Practical outcomes... = I already believe it - FE offers me nothing.
Cat 2 Philosophical outcomes... Most of this I already believe and what I struggle with cannot be verified from Scripture infallibly.
Cat 3 Religious outcomes...  I already believe it - FE offers me nothing.

So, it just looks like a quick list rattled off to make it seem like a trad Catholic would really benefit from this info.

But since I already believe in the outcomes, it offers me nothing.

Maybe to a brainwashed, secular, atheist this could be helpful. But then again, Eric Dubay...

So for me, holding FE offers me NOTHING and if I choose to believe it, gains me NOTHING.
It would be a very time-consuming "hobby" with no end in sight (kind of like the papal crisis, but I would never equate that to a "hobby" ::))
It could easily supply for all my psychological needs if I had such an important issue as the papacy unresolved in my own conscience.
It does offer Trads something, even if most of the benefit is to non-catholics.

The firmament is in Scripture.  So is the creation of Adam/eve/earth.  Anti-catholic science such as evolution (which is anti-original sin, anti-redemption, anti-Church) ONLY works with a heliocentric ball-earth or a geocentric ball-earth.  Anti-catholic science does not work on FE.

So if you want to pretend that believing in a globe-earth is catholic, go right ahead.  But it's quasi-heresy, because it denies the firmament as well as the Scriptural account of Genesis.  (I don't think anyone is going to hell over this, but it does matter).

Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Flat Earth is a Psyop
« Reply #74 on: December 12, 2025, 03:45:07 PM »
So it seems that you do NOT have moral certainty one way or the other, on THAT question. 
You still don't understand the limitations of moral certainty.  :facepalm: