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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Flat Earth is a Psyop
« Reply #60 on: December 11, 2025, 10:38:14 PM »
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  • If you’re old enough to remember or have seen old movies or shows about a doctor, you would have seen him with a round mirror on his head, this is called a head mirror. It was used as a very excellent source of light before the advent of modern headlamps and some doctors still use them today. It can *literally* be considered a light source. The Moon IS a light source, but that does NOT mean that it produces it’s own light.
    Scripture says that the moon is a light source.  The first time that it was proposed that the moon reflects the sun's light is from the atheistic, satantic, anti-Isreal Greeks.  The same Greeks who tried to kill the Maccabees, tried to destroy the True Religion (at the time), and who tried to create the NWO, before the Roman Empire destroyed them. 

    Prior to the Greeks, the prevailing notion was that the moon was it's own light source, as Scripture says multiple times.

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    Re: Flat Earth is a Psyop
    « Reply #61 on: December 12, 2025, 05:03:49 AM »
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  • Scripture says that the moon is a light source.  The first time that it was proposed that the moon reflects the sun's light is from the atheistic, satantic, anti-Isreal Greeks.  The same Greeks who tried to kill the Maccabees, tried to destroy the True Religion (at the time), and who tried to create the NWO, before the Roman Empire destroyed them. 

    Prior to the Greeks, the prevailing notion was that the moon was it's own light source, as Scripture says multiple times.

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    Re: Flat Earth is a Psyop
    « Reply #62 on: December 12, 2025, 08:11:10 AM »
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  • The Greeks also pushed the heretical heliocentrism view, they were pedophiles and they worshipped the sun.  All similar things found in modern-day Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ.  

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    Re: Flat Earth is a Psyop
    « Reply #63 on: December 12, 2025, 01:20:47 PM »
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  • :facepalm:  Scripture says the Moon gives it's own light.  I trust Scripture over my eyes.
    Where does it say this?
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    Re: Flat Earth is a Psyop
    « Reply #64 on: December 12, 2025, 01:48:53 PM »
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  • I still fail to grasp WHY FE even matters 
    Here's why it matters (in no particular order, but the list is long).  If the land is flat (the earth is a globe shape)...

    Practical outcomes...
    1.  Big-science and Big-govt have lied to the population since around the 1500s, (start of heliocentrism, Galileo, etc) or 500 years.
    2.  If Big-science can't be trusted, then people start questioning other things (i.e. evolution, climate change, etc).
    3.  If Big-govt can't be trusted, then people start questioning other things (i.e. moon landing, aliens, nasa's HUGE budget, etc).
    4.  Every single sci-fi/outer-space tv show, movie, was pure fiction and is a made-up story.  What else is big-media lying about?
    5.  Most every science book is wrong and was lying.  What else are science books lying about?
    6.  If Big-history can't be trusted, then what else are they lying about?  (Egypt pyramids, Great Flood, age of the earth, Biblical miracles, etc).


    Philosophical outcomes...
    1.  If the earth's land is flat, then Scripture is correct.  If Scripture is correct in this area, then it's correct in other areas (i.e. Adam/Eve, Noah's ark, history, etc).
    2.  If Scripture is correct, then creation is way, way, WAY smaller than we think.  There's no "outer space" because of the firmament.
    3.  If there's no outer-space, then earth IS THE CENTER of the universe, not the sun.
    4.  People on earth are NOT a little 'ol galaxy among millions of others, we ARE the ONLY galaxy.
    5.  The sun, moon, stars are not "just like other sun, moon, stars", no, they are the ONLY sun, moon, stars.
    6.  Earth is not a planet, amongst many planets, but it is a SPECIAL place, and the ONLY place where human life exists.
    7.  The sun, moon, stars were created ONLY for earth, and ONLY for us human beings, based on God's design.
    8.  The earth is it.  The earth is the focus.  The earth is the center of the creation.  The earth is where human beings are tested to save their souls.
    9.  All of life, in any form ONLY exists on earth.  Nowhere else.
    10. Evolution is bogus and a complete lie.  There was no 'big bang' because there's no outer space.

    Religious outcomes...
    1.  Scripture is 100% correct and the ONLY way that humans originated.  Evolution is a lie.  Adam & Eve were real.
    2.  Original Sin is real.  Concupiscence is real.  The devil is real.
    3.  There's no outer space, there's no aliens, there are only humans, who need to save their souls.
    4.  God created the world for mankind alone.  Everything that happens in history and science is meant to glorify God and to help mankind love Him.
    5.  The Bible is the ONLY true history and science book, given to us, by God.  And it is meant to show humanity how God loves us.
    6.  Adam/Eve sinned, they needed a Redeemer, therefore Christ came and the story of Jesus is true.
    7.  All of creation, all of history, all of science is meant to revolve AROUND the story of Christ and humanity.  It's meant to revolve around humanity's salvation.
    8.  Christ came to Redeem mankind of Original Sin and He started a Church.
    9.  The purpose of the Church is the same as the purpose of the OT laws/stories/miracles - to guide humanity to heaven.  
    10. The earth is small.  Humanity's purpose is big.  Evolution, outer-space, etc are all lies meant to distract from our purpose of loving God.  





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    Re: Flat Earth is a Psyop
    « Reply #65 on: December 12, 2025, 01:49:16 PM »
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  • Where does it say this?
    Look it up.

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    Re: Flat Earth is a Psyop
    « Reply #66 on: December 12, 2025, 01:59:30 PM »
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  • Look it up.
    Genesis 1:16And God made two great lights: a greater light to rule the day; and a lesser light to rule the night: and the stars. 

    Hope you don't mean this, because "lesser light to rule the night: and the stars" does not support your claim.

    Also, if the moon were to give off its own light, how can we explain the phases of the moon?
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    Re: Flat Earth is a Psyop
    « Reply #67 on: December 12, 2025, 02:13:11 PM »
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  • "Flat Earth is a Psyop"

    Absolutely. Haven't read the thread, but it cropped up when The Principle came out. Been meaning to cover this, but I never get around to it.
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    Re: Flat Earth is a Psyop
    « Reply #68 on: December 12, 2025, 02:20:39 PM »
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  • Hope you don't mean this, because "lesser light to rule the night: and the stars" does not support your claim.

    Does it disprove it?  No; far from it.  Two great lights, not one.

    Regardless of your own beliefs on the matter, I am more than a little surprised that you didn't even know that this is what Holy Writ says or where to find it.  
    "Fear God, and keep His commandments: for this is all man."

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    Re: Flat Earth is a Psyop
    « Reply #69 on: December 12, 2025, 02:29:12 PM »
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  • I would rather go hunting or fishing at least that could turn out to be a productive use of time.

    I think the papacy question matters...

    Yet, here you are, repeatedly participating.  I hunt and fish (and a great deal more), too, but that doesn't preclude my online activities, however limited.

    No one here thinks the questions about the papacy, Holy Mother Church, etc., do not matter.  They matter a great deal and one could easily argue that such concerns not only gave birth to CI, but also remain the raison d'etre of CI to this day.  However, that's not the topic of this thread.  Now we all know your theory.  Thank you for sharing it.  Godspeed.
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    Re: Flat Earth is a Psyop
    « Reply #70 on: December 12, 2025, 03:11:42 PM »
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  • contra, if today I acknowledge that Bobby Prevost is a non-Catholic and therefore cannot possibly be the Vicar of Christ's Church on earth - this actually implies a whole different way of viewing/thinking of the papacy (a healthy Catholic way I would argue) AND it implies action, by positively having no communion with a false Pope whatsoever and cutting all ties to the false church spawned at Vatican II. But that is where the fear kicks in and it gets "real" because they think if they view the Vatican like that for 30+years they will never be able to return if somehow things could be righted there (don't ask me how). But this isn't prudence as much as fear. And it also shows a lack of trust in God and a weak faith, IMO. Religious truth matters for it's own sake, and the papacy question goes well beyond mere Church politics - it is in the realm of do, or die in the fight for our souls (again IMO).

    Again, you can have whatever opinion you want. Opinions are like a-----s (armpits), everyone has one and it stinks.

    But you have a distorted, inaccurate view of how non-sede Traditional Catholics live, act, and believe on a daily basis. You either don't know any non-Sede Trad families IRL, or you only know OF a few, superficially (as names at work, names on the Internet, etc.)

    But your opinion has been proven invalid. There have been sedes, large groups of them, even WHOLE CHAPELS of them since the 80's, and what is the current status of the Crisis? Still ongoing? Yeah, I thought so. 

    Yup, Sedevacantism and $5 will get you a cup of coffee. Sedevacantism and $10 will get you a value meal at McDonald's.
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    Re: Flat Earth is a Psyop
    « Reply #71 on: December 12, 2025, 03:24:45 PM »
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  • This thread is retarded "from the jump", or right off the bat.

    Google comes down hard on this "psyop" both the search engine and Youtube (owned by Google).

    If the government or whatever "They" decided that a Flat Earth psyop would be a good idea, then Google would NOT be gatekeeping the issue as they are. Google is ABSOLUTELY in lock step with the worst elements of the Media, government, and control apparatus at the very top.
    Anyone who thinks the Google is neutral, or even a good guy, is a f****** idiot. I'm sorry, there's just no better way to say it.

    Sorry not sorry, but I'm not convinced that the wicked, satanic Google is philanthropic, saintly even, as they fight for the TRUTH about the Moon Landings (they defend them) and the shape of the earth (they push the Globe).
    They put a warning label on all Moon Landing conspiracy videos, as well as any flat earth videos.

    I just don't see Google putting themselves out to defending ANYTHING that is A) good or B) true. Everything they defend with their "overlays" and/or "censorship" is invariably something FALSE and/or BAD.
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    Re: Flat Earth is a Psyop
    « Reply #72 on: December 12, 2025, 03:31:24 PM »
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  • Again, Moral certainty isn't dogma.

    Let me ask this, if you will be so kind as to answer, "Are you morally certain either way if the current man claiming to be Pope is actually the Pope?

    You learn well. Those are my words. "Moral certainty is not dogma".

    I have enough moral certainty to act as I need to, yes. But again, all I need to do is go to Mass, believe and practice the Catholic Faith as it was always believed and practiced, and avoid the contagion of Vatican II and the Conciliar Church.
    I'm doing all those things, without "sedevacantism". So apparently it isn't necessary. C'est la vie.

    Moral certainty just means "enough clarity for ME to act on, to make a decision on." And I'm morally certain there is a Crisis in the Church, and that the post-V2 Popes can't be obeyed as they overstep their authority and attempt to start a literal new religion. Vatican II has proven to be destructive of the Faith, and of souls.

    Now you want to get all philosophical and ask, "WHY would God allow this?", "HOW could the Pope promote a liturgy that is noxious to souls?" I'm going to have to respond "I don't know" because I have no friggin idea.
    Ask God if you must demand an answer. It wasn't my idea, nor is it "my problem". My only "problem" or job is to save my soul, and those of my family, during this Crisis. Everything else is an extra, or even a distraction.

    The difference between the status of the Pope and the shape of the earth, is that the latter CAN BE determined. Which is quite refreshing, I might add! Because I'm quite sick of the Pope issue, which has no definitive answer. Still waiting for God's big "reveal" on that one, to sort everything out. In the meantime, we wait, watch and pray (and keep the Faith).
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    Re: Flat Earth is a Psyop
    « Reply #73 on: December 12, 2025, 03:39:02 PM »
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  • First point, your list is mixing too many things together. Putting things in one category that seems they should be in another, or can cover both or all three! While this makes your list look "weighty" at first glance, upon inspection it is repeating itself.

    Second I said, "I fail to grasp". I am not some that needs to be convinced of ANYTHING on your list - I already believe all the important points that relate to my salvation.

    Cat 1 Practical outcomes... = I already believe it - FE offers me nothing.
    Cat 2 Philosophical outcomes... Most of this I already believe and what I struggle with cannot be verified from Scripture infallibly.
    Cat 3 Religious outcomes...  I already believe it - FE offers me nothing.

    So, it just looks like a quick list rattled off to make it seem like a trad Catholic would really benefit from this info.

    But since I already believe in the outcomes, it offers me nothing.

    Maybe to a brainwashed, secular, atheist this could be helpful. But then again, Eric Dubay...

    So for me, holding FE offers me NOTHING and if I choose to believe it, gains me NOTHING.
    It would be a very time-consuming "hobby" with no end in sight (kind of like the papal crisis, but I would never equate that to a "hobby" ::))
    It could easily supply for all my psychological needs if I had such an important issue as the papacy unresolved in my own conscience.
    It does offer Trads something, even if most of the benefit is to non-catholics.

    The firmament is in Scripture.  So is the creation of Adam/eve/earth.  Anti-catholic science such as evolution (which is anti-original sin, anti-redemption, anti-Church) ONLY works with a heliocentric ball-earth or a geocentric ball-earth.  Anti-catholic science does not work on FE.

    So if you want to pretend that believing in a globe-earth is catholic, go right ahead.  But it's quasi-heresy, because it denies the firmament as well as the Scriptural account of Genesis.  (I don't think anyone is going to hell over this, but it does matter).

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    Re: Flat Earth is a Psyop
    « Reply #74 on: December 12, 2025, 03:45:07 PM »
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  • So it seems that you do NOT have moral certainty one way or the other, on THAT question. 
    You still don't understand the limitations of moral certainty.  :facepalm: