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Offline Quo vadis Domine

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Re: Flat Earth is a Psyop
« Reply #45 on: December 11, 2025, 11:36:48 AM »
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  • Right.  Whence did you acquire this insider knowledge of God's plan/intention/etc?  Why would He do that (i.e., what would the point/benefit be)?  Is said "orbit" circular or elliptical?

    The orbit is elliptical.
    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?

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    Re: Flat Earth is a Psyop
    « Reply #46 on: December 11, 2025, 11:40:17 AM »
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  • You are wasting your time.  I explained this to them before, even giving the instructions for a simple experiment that anyone can do to show how tidal locking works.  But of course, they won't listen nor try said experiment because they don't believe in "gravity".

    You are not going to convince any of these people here, who have obviously never taken so much as a high school physics class, of anything when it comes to the natural world. 

    This forum contains a plethora of data confirming the Dunning Kruger effect.

    Yes, I know. I took a break from the forum for about a year hoping that some of them would reason it out, but to no avail……
    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?


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    Re: Flat Earth is a Psyop
    « Reply #47 on: December 11, 2025, 12:11:30 PM »
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  • The reason he is wasting his time is not only because we've all taken (and aced) physics (and much else besides), but also because every single one of us used to adhere to the GE lies (Lad worked for NASA, for Pete's sake).  That all changed once we actually examined the evidence, concerning both what can be seen and experienced all around us and the colossal mendacity of those within the Satanic clubs that run the world.

    Yeah, I had a cousin who worked for NASA for 30 years and he believed that we landed on the Moon, so what?
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    Re: Flat Earth is a Psyop
    « Reply #48 on: December 11, 2025, 01:36:03 PM »
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  • Yeah, I had a cousin who worked for NASA for 30 years and he believed that we landed on the Moon, so what?
    Did he ever mention the infestation of Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ in NASA?
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    Offline Quo vadis Domine

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    Re: Flat Earth is a Psyop
    « Reply #49 on: December 11, 2025, 02:09:54 PM »
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  • Did he ever mention the infestation of Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ in NASA?

    No, he wasn’t a trad and I don’t think he knew anything about the conspiracy, but he insisted that we landed on the Moon.
    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?


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    Re: Flat Earth is a Psyop
    « Reply #50 on: December 11, 2025, 02:12:49 PM »
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  • Yeah, I had a cousin who worked for NASA for 30 years and he believed that we landed on the Moon, so what?

    Lad (and most FE adherents) once thought as you do now.  To pretend, as your confrere does, that we clearly know nothing about physics, etc, is not only contrary to charity, it is, especially in Lad's case, unspeakably preposterous.

    Disagree all you want.  I used to think as you do now, but I neither think my former self was stupid nor that you are stupid for thinking now as I did then. It is akin to an intelligent, decent NO-goer trying to convince me that I was wrong to leave for the TLM, etc.  He's wasting his time because I lived that which he is trying to sell me, but I left it precisely because it became clear that it is manifestly false.  Could any of the 1000 intelligent adherents of h0Ɩ0cαųstianity convince me to return to my former delusion on that point?  No.

    As a related aside, do you have any other examples of "tidal lock" anywhere in the neighborhood?  [What do you folks call the "system" since Solar System is meaningless?]
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    Re: Flat Earth is a Psyop
    « Reply #51 on: December 11, 2025, 02:19:03 PM »
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  • The orbit is elliptical.

    Thank you for answering the only question you could, although I dare say proving your matter-of-fact assertion is not as easy as you'd like others to think.

    We were all once where you are now.  We didn't change position because of a whim.  We woke up.  Perhaps you will, too.  Perhaps not.  That is between you and God and not necessary for salvation, so...

    Godspeed.
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    Re: Flat Earth is a Psyop
    « Reply #52 on: December 11, 2025, 04:08:30 PM »
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  • You're using geocentric "terms" (i.e. tidal lock) to tell us why FE is wrong.  Yeah, that's not biased at all...:jester:

    What if 'tidal lock' isn't true?  What if there's some OTHER explanation for why the moon's face never changes?  Hmmm?


    Well I believe in geocentrism, is there something wrong with that?

    That’s fine if the tidal lock explanation isn’t true, I’m all ears for a better explanation, but please don’t try to give an insane explanation like “the Moon is a disk”, or that it has “it’s own light source”, or that it is “made of plasma”. That is precisely what I meant when I said that you can make observations with your naked eye and with a telescope that if not prove, at least render moot those common assertions put forth by many FEers.
    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?


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    Re: Flat Earth is a Psyop
    « Reply #53 on: December 11, 2025, 04:18:23 PM »
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  • Well I believe in geocentrism, is there something wrong with that?

    That’s fine if the tidal lock explanation isn’t true, I’m all ears for a better explanation, but please don’t try to give an insane explanation like “the Moon is a disk”, or that it has “it’s own light source”, or that it is “made of plasma”. That is precisely what I meant when I said that you can make observations with your naked eye and with a telescope that if not prove, at least render moot those common assertions put forth by many FEers.
    :facepalm:  Scripture says the Moon gives it's own light.  I trust Scripture over my eyes.

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    Re: Flat Earth is a Psyop
    « Reply #54 on: December 11, 2025, 04:31:28 PM »
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  • We were all once where you are now.  We didn't change position because of a whim.  We woke up.  Perhaps you will, too.  Perhaps not.
    This is the same thing SVs say to those who hold that the post-Vatican II claimants to the Throne were/are legitimate Roman Pontiffs...

    So my theory is;

    FE for R&R trads is a subconscience projection of the current papal issue (a supernatural mystery they feel is impossible to solve).

    They project that issue onto FE ( which is a natural question they believe they have solved).

    i.e., "Finally we have the answers! Now everything makes sense!" They have been "enlightened". They are "woke" to the "truth", etc. and they want you to join them, but if you remain obstinate, then so be it...

    These ^ are all things SVs say to those who cling to the heretical false Popes as Pope.

    Rather than spend their time researching the Church's teaching on that issue so as to resolve all doubts, they settle for eating the spoon-fed theological slop of the SSPX and direct their attention in that respect to something more manageable. Enter FE.

    In fact, they are so certain of their position on FE, that it supplies for their lack of moral certainty regarding if these men are Popes or not. 

    They often exude supreme self-confidence in their position because they have this certitude, and none shall deter them from their course.

    Now, if R&R are right then FE has served its purpose and preserves them from a "schismatic mentality" by allowing them to shift their perplexities about one issues onto another.

    But if they are wrong and the SVs are right, then FE was just a massive cope and distraction that served no purpose at all but to deflect the actual issue they are struggling to comprehend. 

    If there are any straight-up SVs (not sededoubtists) out there that can confirm or deny if they buy into FE please speak up.

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    Re: Flat Earth is a Psyop
    « Reply #55 on: December 11, 2025, 04:42:58 PM »
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  • This is the same thing SVs say to those who hold that the post-Vatican II claimants to the Throne were/are legitimate Roman Pontiffs...

    So my theory is;

    FE for R&R trads is a subconscience projection of the current papal issue (a supernatural mystery they feel is impossible to solve).

    They project that issue onto FE ( which is a natural question they believe they have solved).

    i.e., "Finally we have the answers! Now everything makes sense!" They have been "enlightened". They are "woke" to the "truth", etc. and they want you to join them, but if you remain obstinate, then so be it...

    These ^ are all things SVs say to those who cling to the heretical false Popes as Pope.

    Rather than spend their time researching the Church's teaching on that issue so as to resolve all doubts, they settle for eating the spoon-fed theological slop of the SSPX and direct their attention in that respect to something more manageable. Enter FE.

    If there are any straight-up SVs (not sededoubtists) out there that can confirm or deny if they buy into FE please speak up.


    You are delusional.

    Your sedevacatism means nothing. There is no difference between how I "Catholic" vs how you do.  Practically speaking, there is no difference. Why do you care so much what my personal opinion is, on the status of the recent popes? Why does it bend you out of shape?

    If your conscience is bothering you or something, that's on you. Don't bother or disturb the peace of other Trads with differing opinions just because YOU aren't at peace with your beliefs.

    I wish I could figure out the status of the Pope by opening my eyes, looking at level water, getting out a pair of binoculars, etc. I don't think the Crisis would still be going on for 55 years, to be honest.
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    Re: Flat Earth is a Psyop
    « Reply #56 on: December 11, 2025, 04:45:49 PM »
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  • With regard to working for NASA, they also employ janitors and security guards, so it actually means very little.  Then, even if you are closer to the aerospace projects, very rarely does anyone actually work on something other than just a very small piece of something.  I and about half dozen people worked on a device that was the size of a large microwave oven, that in turn fit into a rack system with about a half dozen other things of similar size.  I'd say maybe .1% of people who work there get anywhere close to any kind of "big picture" perspective on anything.  Having worked for NASA, by itself, is neither here nor there.

    I just don't think the physics that are at the heart of the controversy are particularly difficult, so that someone who had even taken a Physics class in High School, or mathematics through trigonometry (since part of it is just mathematical in nature)

    Given basic trigonometry and accepting what NASA and mainstream science tell us regarding the circuмference of the globe, the rule of thumb formula (simplified) indicates that there should be 8 inches times distance away from you in miles squared.  So, after 1 mile, 8 inches of drop following the curvature, after 2 miles 2 x 2 x 8 = 32 inches, etc.  Now, there's actually a precise trig formula for this, and it's slightly different, but I've seen charts which show that it's only off by a couple inches out to 100 miles, so it's just a quicker calculation.  Nevertheless, there are online calculators that actually execute the genuine trig formula.  Of course, you can't really come to any conclusions over land, since any kind of variations in toplogy would upset, either increase or decrease these numbers, offset them or aplify them.  That's why most experiments are conducted over water, or else frozen water in the Winter ... as water tends to find its level (that's where the term sea-level comes from).

    Insurmountable problem for the NASA(-sized) ball is that there are countless examples not only of experiments conducted by FEs, but of things like record long distance photographs that were taken by non-FE types who were interesed in the photographs and were paying no attention to their implications toward this particular debate, where objects are seen, videotaped, photographed, etc. at distances FAR beyond what the curvature of the ball should permit.  There's one award winning photograph that shows a lighthouse that stands about 150 feel above sea level (at its peak), taken from a specific location with a known elevation, from about 240+ miles away ... when it should have been hidden by many miles of curvature, and not even close to being visible.

    Now, the response to this tends to be that those are illusions caused by refraction, a known phenomenon by which changes in density can cause light to bend.  But refraction invariably results in blurry, distorted images (for reasons I'll explain in a second), and it's very inconsistent, depending on time of day, temperature / humidity, etc.  You can't just show up somewhere and have any realistic chance of filming some refractive phenomena.  Now, the farther you get from the viewer, the less possible it would be to obtain any kind of clear, not-blurry, on-distorted image ... and that's because the index of refraction will NOT be consistent across the entire distance between you and the target object.  If I'm seeing something from 150 miles away that should be hidden by miles of curvature, in order for refraction to explain it, the index of refraction between miles 150 and 149 needs to be the same as between 149 and 148 as between 148 and 147, and so on and so forth ... but that's nearly impossible in nature (despite such observations being made with great regularity).  You'd have some variation in the refractive index that would cause some images to refract into and/or away from other images that are refracting at different rates, so that by the time the images had traveresed 150 miles, you'd see very little detail and nothing but a vague blurry outline of something AT BEST.  Nor can the refraction be always downward toward the globe, due to increasing density, since after 150 miles of that same increasing density, you'd require such a huge increase in density that you'd need deep sea diving gear on the other end.  Finally, there have been two-way laser experiments conducted where the lasers pointed in different directions (over 10 miles of water) were each / both seen from the other side, which is simply impossible, for if one of the lasers were refracting down due to increasing density, then the laser moving in the other diretion would need to refract up due to decreasing density, and so it would not be visible.  You can't have both.

    At that point, in order to maintain a belief in a globe, you'd either have to 1) hypothesize that the circuмference of the earth is MUCH bigger than what they say, meaning that the 8 inches per mile squared math (and longhand trig formula) are just plain wrong, 2) hypothesize some other explanation (not refraction) that might explain this phenomenon, e.g. a flow of ether, or some other such "force".

    Then we factor in that Sacred Scripture would appear to be much more consistent with an FE view, and that the modern globe cosmology cannot be reconciled with the firmament as described by the Bible, and as unanimously interpreted by the Church Fathers..  That's where you'd need a theory such as the one that Dr. Sungenis has put forth ... but that too flies in the face of modern atheistic "Big Bang" cosmology, and you would then not escape subjecting Trad Catholicism to ridicule anyway, one of your chief goals in rejecting FE apparently.  I suspect that it's why Dr. Sungenis and Kolbe Center stopped their "How God Made the World in Six Days" series after Day 2.  Dr. Sungenis had introduced his giant cosmic ice ball theory, and I'm certain that they pulled the plug after receiving truckloads of derision and ridicule over it.

    Finally, Catholics who reject the evolutionist narrative actually believe that Adam and Even had perfect knowledge of the natural world, and that if early cultures scattered around the world all have an FE cosmology, then ... well, it's not because they were a bunch of morons who had just crawled out of the primordial soupl and had not yet learned applications and uses for fire, but because it was likely knowledge handed down, i.e. what they refer to as "primitive revelation".

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    Re: Flat Earth is a Psyop
    « Reply #57 on: December 11, 2025, 04:50:33 PM »
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  • Don't bother or disturb the peace of other Trads
    Am I disturbing your "peace" Matthew?

    I see patterns (sometimes were they are not), so I am testing my theories out.

    But if that bothers you, I suppose if I were you I would just delete my account.

    That would be the easiest way to get rid of someone you deem a threat to the peace of your community.

    If this is my "hint" then you can show me the door now. 

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    Re: Flat Earth is a Psyop
    « Reply #58 on: December 11, 2025, 04:51:10 PM »
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  • No, he wasn’t a trad and I don’t think he knew anything about the conspiracy, but he insisted that we landed on the Moon.

    Then either he was a liar, a dupe, or not very intelligent.
    I give 1/2 a credit to Boomers for believing in the Moon Landing nonsense. After all, it was a full-fledged no holds barred Psy-op. I mean, they were 10 year old kids and their teachers wheeled out TV sets and the whole school watched Neil Armstrong take "One Large Step for Mankind". That kind of brainwashing changes a person for life.
    I mean, EVERYONE around him before, during, and after "the event" was 100% convinced. Of course it's going to be deep in his soul, having the power of nostalgia and dozens of other psychological factors going for it.

    But anyone born after 1965 has no excuse. In the 1970s it APPEARED we were taking this huge step forward landing on the Moon. There was no evidence out there (media, newspapers, magazines) exposing the hoax yet. There were no websites or forums; anyone with "doubts" kept them to himself, so he wasn't considered crazy. And people really thought we were entering a new era, "The Space Age".

    But today, in 2025, we have no excuse for believing that nonsense. We still don't have a $50 webcam pointed at the "globe earth" for crying out loud. Nor do we have any rocket launches with external FPV unbroken video footage. They always arc off into the distance (to dump into the ocean), and the program cuts to an obvious CGI cartoon of a rocket up in space somewhere. They seem to pass it off as actual footage too (?) which is bizarre. NASA claims they can't go beyond the Van Allen Belts of radiation, which is insane considering they supposedly did so during the Apollo missions. Everything doesn't add up. The whole story is FULL of holes.

    After the "breakthrough" in 1969, it hasn't been followed up at all. We haven't landed anywhere (not even faked) since the last Apollo mission. Pretty soon, anyone who remembers the Apollo missions will be in a nursing home. If they want to keep up the "Space age" psy-op, they're going to have to do something -- and soon. Heaven help us.

    Seriously, tell me about the last invention or breakthrough that wasn't repeated, followed-up on, or improved for the next FIFTY SIX YEARS. I'll wait.
    Could you imagine the Wright Brothers inventing the airplane, and then no more airplanes were built, by any developed country, even 56 years later? Ha!
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    Re: Flat Earth is a Psyop
    « Reply #59 on: December 11, 2025, 04:52:36 PM »
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  • If this is my "hint" then you can show me the door now.

    I'm not a woman, nor am I passive-aggressive. I'm a man who doesn't mess around.

    When I'm threatening you with banning, there will be zero doubts about it.


    When people bring this s*** up, bringing up banning when I never mentioned it, it's obviously to cast themselves as some kind of martyr. Then if I don't ban them, it seems like I backed down and they won. And if I do ban them, well they called it and they're a martyr. See the nonsense?
    It's a lame attempt at "heads I win, tails you lose."

    And you're deflecting from the conversation, specifically everything I said in my post. Nice try.
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