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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Flat Earth is a Psyop
« Reply #30 on: December 10, 2025, 07:15:01 PM »
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    • :facepalm:  Yes we can observe the phases of the moon, but scientists still can’t explain why we see the SAME part of the moon, everyday, without change, even though the moon is supposed to be spinning, along with the earth, and sun.  It makes no sense.  Stop acting like everything is perfectly explained.  :facepalm:
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    Re: Flat Earth is a Psyop
    « Reply #31 on: December 10, 2025, 07:33:09 PM »
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    • Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on December 10, 2025, 07:07:23 PM
    For instance, the North Star, Polaris, is visible only on the Northern Hemisphere and through God’s great design it points perfectly north. It can’t be seen in the Southern Hemisphere. On a flat Earth it would be visible everywhere, but on a spherical Earth it wouldn’t be visible in the Southern Hemisphere.
    Your observations are based on false assumptions/facts.

    1) You assume that the north star is "billions of miles" away, therefore on a FE, the southern hemisphere should see it.  But...it's likely that the north star is NOT billions of miles away but only miles away, ergo the southern hemisphere can't see it because it's lower in the atmosphere and the distance/angle make it impossible.

    2) There is no "space" as we are told by movies/tv.  The firmament is real and the earth/creation is much, much smaller than we think.  The sun/moon/stars are much closer than we think.
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    Offline Quo vadis Domine

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    Re: Flat Earth is a Psyop
    « Reply #32 on: December 10, 2025, 07:37:13 PM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on December 10, 2025, 07:15:01 PM
    :facepalm:  Yes we can observe the phases of the moon, but scientists still can’t explain why we see the SAME part of the moon, everyday, without change, even though the moon is supposed to be spinning, along with the earth, and sun.  It makes no sense.  Stop acting like everything is perfectly explained.  :facepalm:

    Cut it with the :facepalm:, ok? I’m trying to explain something to you that you admittedly don’t understand.

    God designed the Moon to rotate on it’s axis at exactly the same rate as it orbits (revolves around) the Earth, thus you can only see one side of the Moon. You can tell that the moon is a round sphere by just observing it with the naked eye. If you use a telescope and look at it’s craters and their shadows, you will notice that their shape becomes more elliptical towards the edge of the Moon. This is indicative of a spherical shape.
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    Offline Quo vadis Domine

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    Re: Flat Earth is a Psyop
    « Reply #33 on: December 10, 2025, 07:45:00 PM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on December 10, 2025, 07:33:09 PM
    Your observations are based on false assumptions/facts.

    1) You assume that the north star is "billions of miles" away, therefore on a FE, the southern hemisphere should see it.  But...it's likely that the north star is NOT billions of miles away but only miles away, ergo the southern hemisphere can't see it because it's lower in the atmosphere and the distance/angle make it impossible.

    2) There is no "space" as we are told by movies/tv.  The firmament is real and the earth/creation is much, much smaller than we think.  The sun/moon/stars are much closer than we think.

    Ok, so give me some numbers? How far are the stars, the Moon, and the Sun away from the Earth’s surface? Give me a model and show how this works? Do you realize how low the North Star would have to be not to be visible from the Southern Hemisphere of your FE? Think man!
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    Re: Flat Earth is a Psyop
    « Reply #34 on: December 10, 2025, 08:08:12 PM »
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    • Quote from: SkidRowCatholic on December 10, 2025, 03:12:36 PM
    And yes, "Is the man currently claiming to be Pope actually the Pope?" 
    is an important question that one CAN come to a morally certain answer on (as I see you are quite aware).

    Do you know what moral certainty even is? It means you have enough certainty to ACT upon. Human actions are moral actions (right or wrong). There are no "neutral" actions. Either an action is good (to various degrees) or bad (to various degrees). Wiping sweat off my brow would probably qualify as "good", albeit a very very slight good.

    Moral certainty is not to be confused with metaphysical certainty, or dogmatic certainty.

    If a man leers at my daughter, I can be "morally certain" he's up to no good and would take action accordingly (not let him close to my family, etc.) and I would do well in this.
    But it's theoretically possible he had a mental or physical disorder which made him APPEAR to be leering at my daughter, when he actually wasn't.
    But no matter, I had moral certainty -- enough to act upon.

    You can become convinced of whatever position you want -- but guess what? You can't judge other Catholics who disagree with you, as if you are "right" and they are "wrong". You can argue, sure, because only one of you can be objectively right. But unless you've been receiving visions and revelations from Heaven, I have just as much chance of being right as you.

    In short, you can't condemn, look down on, or disparage fellow Catholics who disagree with you on your opinions. You have no dogmatic certainty -- only enough for YOU PERSONALLY to act on, for you and your family. That is NOT enough to compel the consciences of others, or condemn others about.
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    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: Flat Earth is a Psyop
    « Reply #35 on: December 11, 2025, 12:14:02 AM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on December 10, 2025, 07:15:01 PM
    Stop acting like everything is perfectly explained.  :facepalm:

    This is precisely what the model-tards do, simply assume that their model explains everything.

    But then, as we point out, they simply refuse to touch the "see too far" problem, but keep going to "muh model", "muh map".

    So then after the dishonest mendacious troll demands that I show the FE map, I present him with 5 projections and demand they tell me which is the "correct" one for the "Globe model".

    Globe-tards, YOUR MODEL HAS BEEN DEFINITELY FALSIFIED.  Now, come up with a new one or shut up.

    We're engaging in the scientific method by proposing one, the FE model, that's more consistent with observations.  As with all hypotheses, it'll require additional refinement.

    I've even tried to help the intellectually challenged Globe-tards out by saying ... OK, then, hypothesize that we do live on a ball, but that it's 10 times bigger that what NASA tells us.  That's a new hypothesis that would attempt to explain the "see too far" problem.

    Or, try to hypothesize some reason that light seems to bend perfectly around the contours of the ball ... and even suggested that they try, oh, the flow of ether that tends to bend around the suraface, since "muh refraction" is utterly ridiculous, and has been definitively falsified by two-way laser experiments.

    We all know that they have a psychological (I like Matthew's term pathological), so a psyco-pathological illness somehow related to Stockholm syndrome to modern "science", the same "science" we were told to follow regarding the jab.

    Intelletual dishonesty is easily exposed when you see individuals who, after one of their reasons has been refuted, simply come up with another, and then when that one has been refuted, come back with a third, and then after a while, they re-state the first one, pretending that it had never been refuted, hoping that everyone would have forgotten it by now.

    Globe-tards would do well to engage in some introspection ... which is what I did on my journey toward FE.  After I had decided that I could no longer refute the FE arguments, I still pushed back against the conclusion, so I asked myself WHY, and the honest answer was a combination of realizing that it would be rather painful for my psychology, a sign of programming, and that I did not relish the ridicule to which I'd be subjected by the brainwashed morons out there.

    So, as I've pointed out before.  If FE were indeed truly ridiculous, you wouldn't spend so much time and effort battling against it.  You'd just make the circle-by-the-ear gesture and whistle while you walk past and not spend 10 minutes on it.  Dr. Sungenis admitted as much.  After he had been asked by Kolbe Center to refute FE, he thought it would take him an hour or so, but then realized that FE did in fact have some rather substantial arguments that could not easily be dismissed, and so it ended up taking him hundreds of pages, and a complete full-length book to ... NOT refute the FE position, since his book was an epic failure, despite his undoubtedly having accepted the stipend offered him by Kolbe (ulterior motive anyone?)

    So, while the Globetards assert that FE is ridiculous, the fact that they spend so much time attacking it belies this, since you wouldn't need to if it were so ridiculous.

    Secondly, the Globetards claim that the shape of the earth doesn't matter.  If it dooesn't matter, then again I ask you why you spend so much time and energy attacking FE.  Move along then.

    Despite these claims, their behavior, their obsession with spending much time and effort attacking FE demonstrates the exact opposite of what they disingenuously claim, that there's some solid evidence for FE and that it most certainly matters.
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    Re: Flat Earth is a Psyop
    « Reply #36 on: December 11, 2025, 12:22:30 AM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on December 10, 2025, 07:33:09 PM
    Your observations are based on false assumptions/facts.

    1) You assume that the north star is "billions of miles" away, therefore on a FE, the southern hemisphere should see it.  But...it's likely that the north star is NOT billions of miles away but only miles away, ergo the southern hemisphere can't see it because it's lower in the atmosphere and the distance/angle make it impossible.

    2) There is no "space" as we are told by movies/tv.  The firmament is real and the earth/creation is much, much smaller than we think.  The sun/moon/stars are much closer than we think.

    Correct.  Nearly every single one of their arguments assumes at least SOME aspect of the prevailing cosmology ... despite the fact that their guru Kaku admitted that there's a crisis in cosmology where never before in the history of science has there been such a huge mismatch between theory and observations, where he cited a number that had a hundred 0s after it.  Yet the Globetards cling to their ball their their cold dead hands, since they are too feeble-minded to shake the programming.

    I'm always open to rational arugment, but NONE OF THEM WILL EVER TOUCH THE "see too far" issue.  Ever.  They side-step, distract, evade, deflect, and start hurling the same hackneyed strawmen, begged questions, and gratuitous assertions over and over again.

    Even the old nonsensical Eratosthenes "argument" must ASSUME a huge sun very far from the earth, since a smaller sun closer to the earth would have the same effect.  That's true of nearly every one of their arguments, where they assume the modern cosmology to "prove" the modern cosmology.  Then they use these circularly-demonstrated "truths" as premises for the next layer of bullcrap.
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    Re: Flat Earth is a Psyop
    « Reply #37 on: December 11, 2025, 12:33:30 AM »
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    • Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on December 10, 2025, 07:37:13 PM
    Cut it with the :facepalm:, ok? I’m trying to explain something to you that you admittedly don’t understand.

    God designed the Moon to rotate on it’s axis at exactly the same rate as it orbits (revolves around) the Earth, thus you can only see one side of the Moon. You can tell that the moon is a round sphere by just observing it with the naked eye. If you use a telescope and look at it’s craters and their shadows, you will notice that their shape becomes more elliptical towards the edge of the Moon. This is indicative of a spherical shape.

    For all you guys babble about muh science, your proof is that .. God designed the moon to work the way I claim that it works?  Seriously?  God designed most of nature to operate based on the laws of physics.  So, what's necessary is a demonstration that this can be accomplished by the laws of nature that God has established.

    Then you resort to your same old crap "you can tell ... by the naked eye".  Bullshit you can.  All you can tell is that there's something circular there.  You tried the same garbage with sunsets.  "All you have to do is see a sunset to prove globe earth."  Again, bullshit. Even modern science recognize that a lot of what you see can be mere appearances, optical illusions, and whatnot.  In fact, that's PRECISELY what they claim when something you "see" with "your naked eye" appears to support FE, that it was just an optical illusion.  But then if you "see" something that appears to support the ball, then see! look! that's proof of globe.  There's never been a more egregious case of confirmation bias in the history of illogic than this.  If FE, optical illusion.  If GE, then proof of globe.  Absolute begging of the quesiton.  We find the same thing with muh refraction.  If you make observations that appear to be evidence for FE, you need merely say the word "refraction", without having to prove it ... just say the magical word, and you've refuted any observation that supports FE (even when the existence of "refraction" can be and has been definitively ruled out).  Of course, when you see something that appears to favor Ball Earth, then aha! proof! muh naked eye! ... naked eye my bare ass.  But when you make observations that appear to favor Ball, then suddenly "refraction" no longer exists, goes away, impossible, can't be true, and don't even bring it up ... again, classic confirmation bias.

    If you can't take a step back and see the egregious fallacies that have effected your poisoned mind, then you're too far gone, and you're wasting everyone's time, including your own.
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    Re: Flat Earth is a Psyop
    « Reply #38 on: December 11, 2025, 05:19:51 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on December 11, 2025, 12:33:30 AM
    For all you guys babble about muh science, your proof is that .. God designed the moon to work the way I claim that it works?  Seriously?  God designed most of nature to operate based on the laws of physics.  So, what's necessary is a demonstration that this can be accomplished by the laws of nature that God has established.

    Then you resort to your same old crap "you can tell ... by the naked eye".  Bullshit you can.  All you can tell is that there's something circular there.  You tried the same garbage with sunsets.  "All you have to do is see a sunset to prove globe earth."  Again, bullshit. Even modern science recognize that a lot of what you see can be mere appearances, optical illusions, and whatnot.  In fact, that's PRECISELY what they claim when something you "see" with "your naked eye" appears to support FE, that it was just an optical illusion.  But then if you "see" something that appears to support the ball, then see! look! that's proof of globe.  There's never been a more egregious case of confirmation bias in the history of illogic than this.  If FE, optical illusion.  If GE, then proof of globe.  Absolute begging of the quesiton.  We find the same thing with muh refraction.  If you make observations that appear to be evidence for FE, you need merely say the word "refraction", without having to prove it ... just say the magical word, and you've refuted any observation that supports FE (even when the existence of "refraction" can be and has been definitively ruled out).  Of course, when you see something that appears to favor Ball Earth, then aha! proof! muh naked eye! ... naked eye my bare ass.  But when you make observations that appear to favor Ball, then suddenly "refraction" no longer exists, goes away, impossible, can't be true, and don't even bring it up ... again, classic confirmation bias.

    If you can't take a step back and see the egregious fallacies that have effected your poisoned mind, then you're too far gone, and you're wasting everyone's time, including your own.


    Scientifically that peculiar movement of the Moon around the Earth is called tidal lock. It’s not a hard concept to understand, but it seems many FEers on this forum can’t grasp it. Without going into a 5 paragraph diatribe , do you understand the difference between the rotation of the Moon and the revolving of the Moon, if so, can you please explain it in a few sentences and without the ad hominems?
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    Re: Flat Earth is a Psyop
    « Reply #39 on: December 11, 2025, 05:36:07 AM »
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    • Quote from: Freind on December 10, 2025, 04:27:20 PM
    You can spin a ball right in front of you and the physics is exactly the same.
    Thanks, yes my bad.
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    Re: Flat Earth is a Psyop
    « Reply #40 on: December 11, 2025, 09:48:29 AM »
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    • Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on December 10, 2025, 07:37:13 PM
    God designed the Moon to rotate on it’s axis at exactly the same rate as it orbits (revolves around) the Earth, thus you can only see one side of the Moon.

    Right.  Whence did you acquire this insider knowledge of God's plan/intention/etc?  Why would He do that (i.e., what would the point/benefit be)?  Is said "orbit" circular or elliptical?
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    Re: Flat Earth is a Psyop
    « Reply #41 on: December 11, 2025, 09:57:11 AM »
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    • Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on December 11, 2025, 05:19:51 AM

    Scientifically that peculiar movement of the Moon around the Earth is called tidal lock. It’s not a hard concept to understand, but it seems many FEers on this forum can’t grasp it. Without going into a 5 paragraph diatribe , do you understand the difference between the rotation of the Moon and the revolving of the Moon, if so, can you please explain it in a few sentences and without the ad hominems?
    You are wasting your time.  I explained this to them before, even giving the instructions for a simple experiment that anyone can do to show how tidal locking works.  But of course, they won't listen nor try said experiment because they don't believe in "gravity".

    You are not going to convince any of these people here, who have obviously never taken so much as a high school physics class, of anything when it comes to the natural world.  

    This forum contains a plethora of data confirming the Dunning Kruger effect.
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    Re: Flat Earth is a Psyop
    « Reply #42 on: December 11, 2025, 10:06:21 AM »
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    • Quote from: Marcellinus on December 11, 2025, 09:57:11 AM
    You are wasting your time...You are not going to convince any of these people here, who have obviously never taken so much as a high school physics class, of anything when it comes to the natural world. 

    The reason he is wasting his time is not only because we've all taken (and aced) physics (and much else besides), but also because every single one of us used to adhere to the GE lies (Lad worked for NASA, for Pete's sake).   That all changed once we actually examined the evidence, concerning both what can be seen and experienced all around us and the colossal mendacity of those within the Satanic clubs that run the world.
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    Re: Flat Earth is a Psyop
    « Reply #43 on: December 11, 2025, 10:13:26 AM »
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    Re: Flat Earth is a Psyop
    « Reply #44 on: December 11, 2025, 11:33:38 AM »
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    • Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on December 11, 2025, 05:19:51 AM

    Scientifically that peculiar movement of the Moon around the Earth is called tidal lock. It’s not a hard concept to understand, but it seems many FEers on this forum can’t grasp it. Without going into a 5 paragraph diatribe , do you understand the difference between the rotation of the Moon and the revolving of the Moon, if so, can you please explain it in a few sentences and without the ad hominems?
    You're using geocentric "terms" (i.e. tidal lock) to tell us why FE is wrong.  Yeah, that's not biased at all...:jester:

    What if 'tidal lock' isn't true?  What if there's some OTHER explanation for why the moon's face never changes?  Hmmm?
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