A very important and terrible consequence.

Catholics who eat and drink the Body and Blood of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ are already hated by the world (as Jesus promised us).

Is that also "A very important and terrible consequence."?

LET GO of human respect. EMBRACE the Way of the Cross. Love God and the Truth only and above all else. Let the dead bury their dead. And come, follow Jesus.

You keep saying this, but it has absolutely nothing to do with human respect. It has everything to do with truth and the conversion of souls. I couldn’t care less about what I look like to other people so long as I embrace the truth. I do care about how things reflect on the Church and whether a nearly indefensible position, such as FE, will affect people’s willingness to convert and I suggest you tread lightly with your almost dogmatic approach to it.

Holding the sedevacantist position for well over three decades while being disrespected and ostracized by the dogmatic R&R types, not going to family events that would possibly confuse my children, and avoiding weddings and other functions of friends and family so as not to compromise my faith, doesn’t seem to square up with your nice little reason, human respect, for us not wanting to accept this FE nonsense. Sorry Matthew, I ain’t following the self brainwashing pathway you’re taking.

You better junk this map since it actually *isn’t* exhibiting a flat Earth. It contradicts the FEers supposedly strongest argument, of which I certainly don’t buy, that there ISN’T any curvature in the Earth.

The 'lack of curvature' is the strongest and easiest to prove argument.  The size of the globe, per NASA, is utterly false.  It's been proven multiple times, by many different people, of various backgrounds.  Technology can "see too far" past the curve.  NASA has no answer for this.

The 'lack of curvature' is the strongest and easiest to prove argument.  The size of the globe, per NASA, is utterly false.  It's been proven multiple times, by many different people, of various backgrounds.  Technology can "see too far" past the curve.  NASA has no answer for this.

You posted a pseudo FE map that shows a curved Earth, look at it. As for the “lack of curvature” argument, I agree it is the best and pretty much the only decent argument in your favor, but it’s miles away from a slam dunk. First, most of the videos that seem to show a lack of curvature are probably faked, exaggerated, or done by amateurs who aren’t careful with their technique. Second, many observations can be explained by refraction, reflection, and deffraction. Third, no one on this forum has ever attested to observing the lack of (or proof of) curvature by doing an experiment on their own, except me. I used two different telescopes and a set of binoculars and can attest to the fact that a bridge that should have been visible on the other side of a 20 mile long lake was obscured. I was called a liar for stating that, by a poster on this forum.

I will let those you address speak for themselves.

But I must say this is 1 of the dumbest things I have ever heard (and I have heard a LOT of dumb shit over the years).

We would literally have ZERO modern inventions or maybe no inventions at all, nor many types of natural knowledge's - if some gifted (or just plain "lucky") people did not take it upon themselves to conduct personal experiments to gather empirical data.

It all started with questions.

Questions that needed experimentation to test out.

FE is no different - why wouldn't someone want to conduct their own experiments - instead of just taking other people's word for it? 
That is, considering they even think it is worth their time, $$$, trouble, etc.

I commend you for your constancy, and I couldn't agree more.

It is crazy to me how much this position overlays the Sedevacantist position in terms of motivations, consequences, fallout, etc.

FEer: "Com'on man just stop with the human respect already it blinds you to the truth."

This ^ is actually a common explanation/argument that Sedes use to explain why some prefer to stay where they are at rather than seek the truth.

The idea of FE is pointless to me.
A rabbit hole to no effect.
A potential cover to distract from more important questions.
And yes, "Is the man currently claiming to be Pope actually the Pope?" 
is an important question that one CAN come to a morally certain answer on (as I see you are quite aware).

In heaven, I don't see anyone "caring" about what Catholics think of the shape of the earth.
But I do see them "caring" about who is Pope or not and what Catholics think about the man who is claiming that office.

Thank you.

No, no, no.  You're missing the point.  "I" don't have to do scientific experiments to prove every, single thing I believe in.  That's what scientists are for.  There are plenty of people out there doing FE experiments.  I see the experiment; I see no rebuttal.  To me, the experiment is proven (or at least, it's a point in favor of the idea).

Just like "I" don't need to play piano to know if one song is better/more complex than another one.

Just like "I" don't need to be an engineer to know when a concrete slab has been poured incorrectly.  Nor do "I" need to be a carpenter to know when a piece of furniture was made poorly.

This whole idea that "only experts" can have critical thinking or make decisions on life, is stupid.  You've been brainwashed to believe "the experts" and ignore common sense.  Wake up.

This post is a total contradiction. First you say you rely on scientists because “that's what scientists are for”, and then you finish your post by saying *I’ve* been brainwashed to believe the experts! I’m the one who is telling *you* to simply observe the movements of the stars, the Sun, the Moon, to get a telescope and look at the Moon and notice that it is a sphere and reflects the Sun’s light etc… You don’t need to be a rocket scientist to understand this.

Scientists include "lay scientists" who do experiments.

The movement of the sun, moon and stars does not correlate to the earth.  The sun, moon and stars DO NOT HAVE HUMAN BEINGS living on them.  The sun, moon and stars were created FOR EARTH.

You're using the same evolutionary arguments..."See how alike we are to monkeys...how can you say we're not evolved from them?" 

The earth is as different to the sun/moon as a rock is different to a human.

Hardly “evolutionary arguments”.

Some of the ways we can help prove that the Earth is a sphere (not snow globe) is by observing the movements of the stars in both the Northern and Southern Hemispheres. For instance, the North Star, Polaris, is visible only on the Northern Hemisphere and through God’s great design it points perfectly north. It can’t be seen in the Southern Hemisphere. On a flat Earth it would be visible everywhere, but on a spherical Earth it wouldn’t be visible in the Southern Hemisphere.

We can observe the rising and setting of the Sun and the phases of the Moon. We have extremely accurate measurements of all of the land masses and oceans and we have accurate distances between them and how these measurements correlate to one another. The only way these measurements can work in a model is for that model to be a sphere, it can’t work on a flat map model.


There is so much more and these observations can be experienced by any layman. I hope this helps.